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A third approach would be replicating the data we need with other programs that dont allow the government -- dont enable the government to possess the bulk database. >> some of our viewers are probably confused as well. there wouldnt be any one institution holding all of these numbers, the duration of the phone calls and all of that? >> well, wolf, let me point out that the providers would hold these business records anyway but the third option is instead of drawing on a database, can the intell...

Impossible not to see their face in every child you see. >> reporter: water.org provides small loans to help people get access to water. >> people were paying money for water already. sometimes 15, 20 times what you or i pay for our water, right, to a local water mafia. and if you could actually just front them the money to connect to the municipality, you give them their time back so they could work at their job and pay the loan off. they are now in control of their destiny in a way that they w...

What do you say? >> i think it is a good start. lets be clear. the president laid out a number of reforms today, reforms that weve been advocating for a number of years. greater performance in the surveillance court. terrific. we need to know more about what that court is doing, its opinions, legislative history, great. checks and balances in the court to make sure that theres a panel of advocates, to make sure that theres a more vigorous -- in fact, that there is an adversarial process. right n...