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The case. but we dont know. and, look, kate, the important thing here too for the president is that he doesnt send e-mail, hes known not to communicate in any ways that leaves a record, so if hes on any of these recordings, i mean, that changes everything. >> it absolutely would. jamil, different topic-ish. the reporting that the president is considering pardoning scooter libby. you to think he should be pardoned? >> i think obviously president bush had the opportunity to do it to and chose not ...