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He was very clear about that this morning in saying that hes not out there to give a tax break for the rich but he wants a big tax break for the middle class. in terms of his experience carol i will tell you in his years at goldman sachs the beginning of his career at goldman sachs he did mortgage debt, trading are, he did government bond trading. so he understands how the u.s. borrows and finances its daily operations. he does have a great deal of experience in that department. >> so, lynn, wha...