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In a phony way. in a real way, that when you talk to her you just cant believe the transfer dish -- transformation. here is part our conversation. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ do you think looking back that there is a spiritual dimension to drug use? >> absolutely, absolutely i think that. one way i describe my own stuff is that i had -- its like having a relationship. and this can turn so many people off, but i think that just really sort of trying to understand having a relationship with a power greater th...