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Mulvaney. its the reference to mulvaney i want to ask you about. youve testified that mulvaney was aware of this quid pro quo, of this condition that the ukrainians had to meet, that is announcing these public investigations to get the white house meeting, is that right? >> yeah. a lot of people were aware of it. >> including mr. mulvaney? >> correct. >> and including the secretary of state? >> correct. >> now, have you seen the acting chief of staffs press conference in which he acknowledged th...

That we heard from mr. giuliani that that was the case. >> that helped inform your presumption, correct? >> correct. >> it wasnt really a presumption, you heard from mr. giuliani. >> i didnt hear from mr. giuliani by the aide, i heard about the burisma in 2016. >> you understood at that point, as we discussed two plus two equals four that the aide was there as well? >> that was the problem, mr. goldman, nobody told me directly that the aide was tied to anything. i was presuming it was. >> i want...

That i want ask you about. youve testified that mulvaney was aware of this quid pro quo in this condition that ukrainians had to meet that is announcing this investigation to get the white house meeting, is that correct? >> a lot of people were aware of it. >> including mr. mulvaney? >> correct. >> and including the secretary of state? >> correct. >> have you seen the chief of staffs press conference in which she acknowledged that the military aid was withheld in part because of a desire to get ...

Meeting, they get the money. its not two plus two. its 0 for 3. ive never seen anything like that and you told mr. castor that the president never told you that the announcement had to happen to get anything. in fact he didnt just not tell you that. he exquisitely said the opposi opposite. the gentleman from texas just read it. you said to the president of the united states, what do you want from ukraine? the president : i want nothing. i want no quid pro quo. i want zelensky to do the right thi...

What the real reason the person who is in charge of making sure that foreign aid is delivered -- we arent going to hear about what actually happened with the foreign aid. wouldnt that have made it a lot easier to testify, instead of guessing and doing funny math problems appear? two plus two equals four, because its great for all the viewers to hear that? wouldnt it be easier if you just knew exactly why the foreign-made wasnt given >> it would have been easy to testify if i had a totality of th...

Ambassador sondland, you have used the words presume, presumption, presuming, some form of the verb to presume repeatedly and today you said that was the problem, mr. goldman. no one ever told me the aide was tied to anything. i was presuming it was. a mathematic fact, two plus two does equal four but in reality, two presumptions plus two presumptions does not equal even one fact. fact is the president did tell you, ambassador sondland, no quid pro quo. thats a fact. another fact, no quid pro qu...

Of aid, i later came to believe that the resumption of security aid would not occur until there was a public statement from ukraine committing to the investigations, correct? >> correct. >> and you acknowledge that this is speculation, right? >> it was a presumption. >> okay. it was a guess, in fact, i think you even said this morning. >> well, i want to say that it goes back to mr. goldmans point or mr. schiffs, two plus two equalled four at that point. >> but you didnt have evidence? >> other ...

These investigations by president zelenskiy needed to be public and that that announcement was conditioned on -- that announcement would ultimately release the aid. do you recall that conversation with ambassador taylor? >> again, my conversation with ambassador taylor, my conversation with senator johnson were all my personal belief, just based on as you put it two plus two equals four. >> well, in his testimony ambassador taylor says that you said that president trump had told you that he want...

Ambassador sondland, you honestly have used the words presumed, presumption, presuming, some form of the verb to presume repeatedly today. and said you said that was the problem, no one ever told me the aid was tied to anything. i was presuming it was. you see, in mathematic fact, two plus two does equal four. but two presumptions plus two presumptions does not equal even one fact. and the fact is, the president did tell you, ambassador sondland, no quid pro quo. thats a fact. and another fact, ...

And he also said they tried to take me down. >> thats correct. >> they tried to take him down. i think any logical person that wants to do two plus two plus equal four games would say that that was in the 2016 election, wasnt it? >> i believe thats what he was referring to, yes. right. >> so during all of this time, and remember, in the spring the democrats russian hoax witch-hunt is still ongoing. theyre still claiming that president trump is a russian agent. theyre out to get president trump a...