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backlash. it's all happening today. we have the latest. >> that's going to be interesting today if you are donald trump. democrats cheered when hillary clinton requested to release wall street speeches. >> look, i made speeches to lots of groups. i told them what i thought. i answered questions. >> did you have to be paid $675,000? >> well, i don't know. that's what they offered. >> i know the feeling. turns out it's not what they offered because while her speeches might be locked in a vault, her list of demands somehow got out. we will share them because mornings remain better with friends, even weekend mornings. ♪ ♪ ♪ everybody was kung fu fighting. ♪ those chicks were fast as lightning. >> the moves that everybody needs to know. also, it's national picnic day. we we're having a spring
party in the plaza. if you are in new york city come down and join us. >> a little violent broken out there. it's okay. it's controlled. >> that was lead form of seems to be mixed martial arts. it's a way to be lethal by the end of this 5 to 7 hour show. we can learn. >> it's only four hours. don't add more. >> it could be more. we could learn the discipline to survive the streets in midtown manhattan. >> chairman in de blasio age. >> it might be tough. >> start with the head lions. we have a fox news alert. massive hunt is on for deadly killer wanted for a string of brurettle murders. eight family members, including a 16-year-old boy shot in the head execution style in four different homes. police in pike county, hio, are interviewing dozens of people trying to learn the identity of the shooter and saying there may be more than one killer on the run. at least two babies and one toddler survived. the youngest baby only four days home was found in bed
next to her mother's body. the body of music legend prince is back with his family this morning. an autopsy is complete. it could take weeks before we know the exact cause of death. >> there were no obvious signs of trauma on the body at all. we have no reason to believe at this point that this was a suicide. this a tragedy for all of us. >> prince was found dead in an elevator of his minnesota estate on wednesday. fans gathering there with balloons and flowers to pay their respects. there are reports prince may have overdosed just days before his death on pain pills. a full toxicology scan will likely take several weeks. more than 500 pounds of dangerous explosives stolen from a freight train. now the feds are trying to find out where they went. atf official tells fox news commercial grade fireworks were on a train heading from chicago to detroit. investigators say they may have been stolen during a stop in ohio and pose a great risk to the public. so far there are no signs
this is terror related. and the standoff is over, my friend. kelli ripa returning to live next week. late last night she told her staff, quote, i wanted to thank you all to give me the time to process this new information. we are a family and i lock forward to seeing you all on tuesday morning. ripa called out from work twice this week after co-host michael strahan announced he is leaving to anchor good morning america. she allegedly felt blindsided by the move. those are your head line. >> second time co-host didn't tell her he was leaving. >> i'm fascinated by this story. >> why? >> my life is empty. >> that's not really how you should behave. you are letting your viewers down. maybe she was needed mental health. >> i show up to work no matter who is sitting in that seat. >> you show up anyway. >> yeah if you are here. >> just gives me a woman and guy and you are happy.
how many times you have said that, tucker? >> you are too fast for me in the morning. i need a cup of blends. >> let me tell you what else we have for you. one last call for unity. listen to this. rnc chair reince priebus calling politics a team sport. telling the party get behind whoever is the nominee as long as they reach the threshold for delegates. two. >> two new polls could break the republican party nomination. steve harrigan is on the phone this morning. >> in florida ended up with the rnc chairman cautiously urging the delegates to do what they could to support the eventual nominee of the party, even if that means getting behind donald trump. flrnl the sooner republicans unite, the sooner we will show america we are the only party ready to lead the
course direction america is waiting for. [ applause ] >> >> donald trump was the only no show among the republican candidates that still remain at these meetings in florida. instead, he was out on the campaign trail where part of his stump speech now includes a bit about bashing the republican primary process. calling it over and over again a rigged system. instead, he left it up to his subordinates his team here in florida trying to make the case to the delegates that eventually mr. trump would change his tone to be one that's more presidential and that the trump campaign would be ready to work closely with the republican leadership general campaign. back to you in new york. >> all right. steve harrigan, live for us in miami: you may remember when this whole controversy over clinton's speeches' famous speech to goldman sak's began when she was asked this town hall question. watch. this a couple weeks ago you
were calling for senator sanders to release his tax returns, which he did. and you were calling for more transparency. so, in the sake of transparency and being fair, are you going to release your wall street >> well, that's a good question. it's a very fair question and let me answer it this way. i have released 33 years of tax returns and you go k. go to my website and see the last eight years of my tax returns. now, there is a new request to release transcripts of speeches that have been given when everybody agrees to do that i will as well. because i think it's important we all abide by the same standards. so let's do the tax return standard first because that's been around for a really long time. >> hillary clinton is likely to be the nominee for the democratic party. senator sanders has exposed weak points with this, calling her to release the transcripts when her numbers for honesty and trustworthy. >> unbelievable. >> trying to say that bernie
sanders who released his tax returns already, him releasing his tax returns him only doing a couple years her doing 33 years has anything to do with the text in speeches. bottom line is bernie sanders made this about receipt wall street. supposedly anti-wall street. you must know those transcripts must contain lavish words and phrases about wall street. why else would goldman sachs be writing checks like that. >> that is a great question. by the way, she is making this about sexism, of course, only i'm being asked to meet this standard to. answer your question why were they paying her over 200 grand per speech to hear nothing but benaltses a.p. found. this federal records show almost all of the trade associations, and other groups who paid for and sponsored clinton's speeches have sought to influence the government while clinton herself when secretary of state. it's influence buying. >> that's why it matters. >> she speaks to the national association of realtors. they spend $38.5 million on government contracts. so, did the contracts have anything to do with her
years as secretary of state? was it quid pro-pro? i don't know. by owe tech industry, pharmaceuticals, obviously, they spend between 7 and $8 million annually on lobbying, get $335 for a speech. >> why do they need that much money? >> because they are greedy, that's why. they are paid hundreds of millions of dollars. >> i know they have to pay their bills because when they came out of white house they were dead broke. remember back in february when hillary clinton was on the debate staining and said this? take a listen. >> you made three speeches for goldman sachs you were paid $675,000 for three speeches. was a mistake? was that a bad error in judgment? >> look, i made speeches to lots of groups. i told them what i thought. i answered questions. >> but did you have to be paid 67 a thousand dollars? >> well, i don't know. that's what they offered. >> that's what they offered. that's not what she demanded. however, this seems to be commonplace for her. old hat for her. we have learned from the associated press that there is a writer that the clinton team had that had a gulf
stream 450. first class tickets for staff. presidential suite three rooms. all local transportation and meals and personal stenographer. no media was allowed inside. the staff would confiscate phones from audience members. >> what's so disgusting is she wasn't just giving money to goldman sachs, she is giving speeches to public universities at a time when people are deep in debt with student loans and she is taking hundreds of thousands from public universities when she knew she was running for president. why didn't someone on her staff stop her. >> not only talking about student loans and average american worried about affording college costs and wondering why they are too expensive. she is running on that college is too expensive. closer and closer to bernie sanders higher education should be free. one example of one client that said this is what they put. this is what they put in their riders in order to get her to speak at that school. also, keep in mind, too. that the stenographer that was present would provide
the transcripts to her but not back to the university. so she -- she might have the only copy of some of these speeches. >> the stories like, this it's going to be a tough fall for hillary clinton in the general election. really the one way you can be certain that your candidate wins is if you change the composition of the voter roles. >> how do you do that. >> governor of virginia found a slick way to do it by executive order. terry mcauliff the governor of the commonwealth of virginia has included 200,000 new voters on voter rolls. who are they? convicted felons. >> look how close the election was in virginia back last time around in 2012. 50.8% of the vote went to obama, 47.8 went to romney. there was a difference in just about 115,000 votes. >> yeah. so, if you put -- and by the way just tell that to ed gillespie who was almost the next senator from virginia and he only lost by a few, i think about 20 or 30,000
votes. it was up in the air it was too close to call. but terry mcauliff doing this by executive order allowing felons to vote assumes that a lot of the felons will be voting democrat. he also went on to say and hillary clinton came out and tweeted this. proud of my friend governor of virginia for continuing to break down barriers to voting. so, barriers to voting. he also went on to say that the state of virginia has a history of not allowing -- making it difficult for african-americans to vote. that's assuming that african-americans are felons? >> let's remember these convicted felons as we are calling them, they have already served their sentences. they're out. they are done. they have served their time. are they reformed? and is this part of the reforms to the justice system and penal system or is this a timing a little bit curious. >> i'm all for people reforming. but voting is an act that effects me more than any other act. you are choosing my president and government. if they are reformed and
ready to participate. why haven't they gun rights to be restored? if you are not allowed to be go hunting, why are you allow to do pick my president? i notice that nobody is calling for their gun rights to be restored. i wonder why. >> that's true. that might be another thing for people to bring up next week. >> do you think? no one will ever bring that up. i will keep hitting it though. coming up the indiana primary may be donald trump's opponents l.s.u. chance to keep him from the nomination. do the opponents have the stop him. brand new fox news polls in that state. we'll bring them to you next. >> remember the drunk doctor who went after beating up uber driver. >> seriously, get some help. >> there is the video. things got a whole lot worse for her. the update is straight ahead. ♪ you can't always get what you want ♪ you can't always get what you want
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call 888-429-5722 now. donald trump expects to have a monster tuesday with all five states supposed to go firmly in his column. the big question is what happens in may 3rd in indiana where is he thought maybe not to be the favorite to take that state. then all of a sudden polls come out that has him up in indiana. what does that mean? 41% to 33 for ted cruz. 16% for john kasich. this might be the turning point in the entire process. here to weigh in is radio talk show host tony cats. tony, this is a stunner. donald trump expected to do poorly there like he did in wisconsin, suddenly is up in indiana? what happened? >> well, i don't think we have an answer yet to what's happened because i don't know if this poll is going to stick. you've got the fox poll you
are talking about 41% to 33%. then you go to the whr poll and poll in indianapolis you are 37% 31%. you are six point spread. you if you are trump i don't think you rest easy on 6 or 7 point spread here. he has had opportunities in michigan and kentucky, for example, where he underperformed his leads. he still won, let's be clear. he can win here but those leads of a 7 point lead is something that can be taken away over the course of the next week. it can be name recognition more than reality and voting reality. >> the so-called experts say lookout, is he not going to could well in nebraska. is he going to struggle in the northwest. is he going to have trouble in california and the polls look strong. going to be a tough haul. well, all we know about connecticut, delaware, maryland, pennsylvania, and rhode island he is going to do well. then he has additional momentum may 3rd. if he takes indiana without the governor's endorsement, i think he is going to be extremely tough to stop.
>> that's true, brine. -- brian. many i'm with you there: 37 delegates. three delegates per the nine congressional districts that we have here. so, if he can get a popular vote victory that's 30 delegates that's going to be a nice swing for him as he goes through the rest. if you are kasich and if you are cruz and cruz still has real fighting shots here, you have two choices. can you either play the game for that popular vote or you are playing a delegate map that says how much can i grab and can i concentrate in certain specific congressional districts. >> tony, how strong is the stop trump movement there and what do you think your callers are saying when they get on your show, the people of i can't indiana what they ex. >> louder pal pit -- palpable stop trump is not real here. there is no cruz hate here. this is a state trying to figure it out. and in this state you have
to think of north indiana, northern indiana and southern indiana differently than central indiana. and you have to really run a three-state strategy in one in order to do well. it's just how indiana is built. as for what the people are saying when they call me on wibc.com. it's a mix. have you trump haters. you have trump lovers. people get angry with me if i'm not engijed in multiple platitude or people happy with me hit something well on this talking point or that talking point. indiana has a lot of -- we have a long way to go. it's only 9 days or so. those nine days are going to make a huge difference. >> tony, we all know you don't care if people are mad at you that means they are listening and they care. >> they are passionately listening. >> tony, thanks for joining us this morning. tony katz on the ground in indiana. video shocking. the cairo patrol car tore cracking the back of a 4-year-old baby.
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school children in denmark but they didn't get a chance thanks to captain grim. he uncovered using intelligence program. anna. >> all right, tucker. shocking new video show as chiropractor newborn baby's back. >> get it in the right place. [baby crying] >> well, this baby was onlyfourg from colic. and the patient were looking for anything to try and help. now, parents online and many in the medical world are up in arms about using that kind of treatment on infants. >> all right. here to weigh in on what some are saying is controversy. dr. tim bain who uses this very med at his clinic bain complete wellness. dr. bain, are you surprised about the outrage and how would you define what is taking place there? >> surprised, brian? no i'm not surprised by it you see it all the time.
any time somebody posts it on the internet with adjustment. i think the sounds are pretty vicious and, you know, i cringe when i hear that video a little bit. so, you know, although i practice chiropractic adjustments on babies, i'm a little less forceful and i think there is a lot to be said for doing them. i get the outrage. >> dr. bain what i find a little weird about this as far as i know there is no real scientific consensus what colic is we know what the no senses what the cause is a treatment like, this i mean, how do we know it works? >> right, well, that's absolutely true, tucker. nobody really knows what causes colic. and colic is really defined by crying episodes and stressed babies and we think that there may be something to do with gas in the intestine. publes. the medical treatment is really accept --
>> chiropractor there are five or six treatments shows it's better than the semecone. there is research out there. not double blinded pier review people are looking for in the medical profession. extremely hard to do that with some sort of therapy. >> doctor, critics of this chiropractor, you know, they might think he is a quackopractor and stigma attached sometimes. colic, isn't that something that infants often grow out of anyway? this infant was only four days old. what do you say to that. >> colic is -- about 40% of babies grow out of it within the first three months of life. if you are a parent and ever had a colicky baby you will do anything to get them to stop. i have seen this happen a lot and parents bring in babies and truthfully the adjustment does work. it works really well with calming bebs. i think it works because you are affecting and activating
nerves in the spine that are changing the stress modes of the baby and when the baby becomes less stressed, mom becomes less stressed and then everything starts to kind of wind down a little bit from there. >> dr. bain, let's back up a second. what's the noise we hear and do you believe that adjustments help you stay cealthy? >> yeah. the noise you hear is gas being released in the joint. fairly normal thing. you hear it when you crk your knuckles. you do things like that. you are not cracking the back per se. what you are doing is creating motion where there is decreased motion. the spine is a joint. so it's meant to move. right? and really what you are looking for is just create a little bit of motion where there is decreased motion. and does it help in lots of different things. studies show adjustments increase your immune response. in sports i work a lot in sports. you will see most professional athletes are using this to increase their
performance. we know that it does decrease your cortisol level. so for those kind of things i think you can effect the stress response in a baby and that may be part of the reason why it works. >> i will tell you, we had it with two of our kids had a lot of congestion. one had asthma as a child. found out it worked unbelievablably getting adjustments. not four days but probably beginning four and six weeks. i'm firmly in the column it's good for you. >> me, too brian. my kids both get adjusted. they're both athletes. but they don't get sick like other kids. and i think -- you know, people say it's the lifestyle that they live. part of that is the adjustment and that's just placebo. i'm all for that placebo because my kid doesn't get sick. any parent looks at that and says it works. >> dr. tim bain. thank you. >> thanks, guys, i appreciate it. >> swear by it too. >> it isn't bones. >> you are getting adjusted a phrase i have used in
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hey, friends, good morning, 34 minutes after the hour on your saturday morning. donald trump has been raked over the coals on social media for saying this. you decide if you think it's racist or not. >> do you ever call up on your credit card. you want to find out 'your credit card. guess what? you are talking to a person from india. you say how the hell does that work? i called up under the devise i'm checking on my card. say where are you from? we are from india. oh, great. that's wonderful. thank you very much. that's all i need. >> people have been saying nasty things about him for saying that. >> talking about outsourcing and how companies too it and government shouldn't be letting them do it. but he also thinks -- they also should be looking at companies and say why are they doing it? they are doing it to save money. up the dividend rate.
that was not an imitation or an insult in my humble opinion of anyone who is indian. >> but here are the facts. of course it's legitimate outsource something a real conversation wherever you stand ton it mimicking someone's accent is not an act of racism. if i mimic your australian or indian accent is not racist because i mimic your race. we are crazy town. this whole country has gone bonkers on racism question. where something i don't like is racist. that's absurd. not racist to mock or mimic or joke about someone's accent. >> even trolls on social media are out there to find some sort of headline. if you watch the video, it's not bad. >> it's not just to find a head lion. people disagree with to shut up there is a reason for. this they are trying to sketch debate. they don't want to hear the other side and call names. you are a racist be quiet. that's the point. >> remember when joe biden was trying to become president of the united states when he was still
running, he was ad libbing which oftentimes brings controversy. remember, he said this in 2006. >> in delaware, the largest growth in population is indian american, moving from india. you cannot go to a 7/11 or duncan donuts unless you have a slight indian accent. >> wow. joe biden is a threat to society. i mean, like that's hilarious. by the way, truth is a defense. i mean, 7/11 running not a bad thing a good thing. >> long island to new york city as well. >> that's not a bad thing. >> what if they were british or australian. >> i'm married to australian. >> i hope you never mimic his accent. >> i'm sure she doesn't. >> 36 minutes after the hour. we do have stories making headlines. we will start with this one. isis is trying to come in to the united states through mexico. are ollie omar trying to
join a terrorist group wanted to open up smuggling route from syria through our southern border. he then tell isis how he did it so fighters could use that exact same route to get into the united states to carry out terrorist attacks. terrifying moments on the open sea. a tourist poet sinks near costa rica and it's all captured on a student's go pro camera. [screams] >> well, the boat tips over in rough waters. sending nearly 100 tourists overboard. passengers screaming for help as they float in the middle of the ocean. [screaming] >> well, it happened back in january of 2015 but the video is has just now
surfaced online three people including one american were killed. the rest were rescued, unfortunately. miami doctor is now out of a job. she was caught on camera hitting and berating an uber driver blackback in january. >> oh, yeah. >> let him go. >> call 911. >> seriously? >> yeah, seriously. get some help. >> well, after the video went viral, the fourth year neurology resident was placed on administrative leave although she was fired from jackson health system she still is entitled to an appeals process. and those are your news headlines. all right, rick. what's going on out there in the weather world out on our plaza. good morning. >> beautiful day, really, for almost everybody across the country today. and i tell you what. big changes coming up this week. a lot of severe weather to talk about and summer across the southeast. take a look at the map and show you what i'm talking about this morning as you are waking up. here are your terms.
not that bad. warm and muggy across the east. little bit chillier across the up of michigan. that far northern tier of the country is going to be dealing with colder air this week. you see this rain that we have across the east? it is mostly gone. what is starting out as a bit of a foggy morning across the southeast be careful on the roads and some scattered showers across parts of the northeast. that will be out of here by kind of midmorning and then we will clear things out pretty nicely. the west, a little system moving in here. tomorrow it will bring severe weather across parts of the central plains but a different system is going to bring a big chance of severe weather on tuesday. we will be talking a lot about that this weekend. biggest severe weather day that we have talked about so far this year. including tornadoes. all right. go back towards the manhattan and northeast. watch how that storm gets out of here by midmorning. and really pretty nice day is setting up. cooler air coming in for tomorrow. get outside and enjoy today. all right, guys. send it over to you. >> thanks a lot, rick. we appreciate it time to get to cooking and enjoying
what's going on in the remember van enter -- it is national picnic day. i think it's time, erika, show us something perfect for a picnic. >> hi, how are you? >> i actually took her cooking class this week how to cook thin. >> how was it? >> amazing. i wish we could have had leftovers. >> student in my class. it was so funny. >> it's almost summer. it's time to start grilling. national picnic day. you want things that you can take with you light, fresh, easy. this is grilledally flower. we will make this grilledally flower salad. slice it up sort of into stakes straight up and down, throw them on the ground and get it on the grill. >>grapes are picnic food.
kind of in between that fruit season. winter is over but not into the berries -- this is the "star trek" cut: it gives a little bit of crunch, i guess without having something very caloric. >> slice it then it becomes thunder pause celery can become fibrous. pickled ravens. very easy to make. salt, sugar, a little bit of scallion there. who wants to do the honors? >> i'm doing a little bit of toss? >> just a little toss. and that is your finished product. >> i also like to use these, the celery leaves. now, that is the finished product. the salad right there. >> do you have meat here, chicken. >> do i have meat. some people want a little something more substantial. you want some protein or want to make it portable. >> how do you make chicken
salad. >> rotisserie chicken from the store and little bit of feta to bring it together. >> scoop it right in. >> there scoop it right in those little buns. >> what are these? these look delicious. >> they are buns. >> can you put it between your little buns, tucker? >> you like that? >> a lot of practice. i always wonder, you know, what the food rules are to make sure that nobody gets sick. if the mayonnaise could go bag bad. >> thing about mayonnaise is actually not true. >> i keep buying discount mayonnaise. >> we have to get through this. >> drop your sandwich. drop your buns. this is a cold summer soup right into the vitamix. we have cucumber and more grapes. >> what about these? >> almonds, chuck them in there and garlic. throw in some olive oil. >> vita mixer.
could you put them in a questions -- quisinart. >> happens so quickly. >> so quick. look at that. >> no water or milk in that. >> no, because the cucumbers are so use juicy. >> actually, i was skeptical, this is delicious. >> it's so good. >> creamy. >> thanks so much. i feel like it's summer. >> you have made our day better. thank you. >> she'll be back later in the show to show some ideas tucker.ert. what do we have. >> any of the plans proposed by the presidential candidates put more money into your wallet? we have got the answer coming up. >> and here is one way to fit into a compact parking spot. ♪
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becoming untypical. more and more people are falling out of the middle class because they simply don't earn very much. >> you never hear anybody mention, rarely, the effect of credit card debt on the average family. why is that? >> i think it's so easy to use and so many people use it credit cards are a sound way of managing money if you are generally make your payment in full at the end of the month. but too many people check the box, make the minimum payment and then basically fall into debt servitude to the large banks and they never really get out. >> that seems like a looming crisis to me, not just federal debt but personal debt seems so big that we're going to have to face that at some point. which of the presidential candidates has a realistic plan for addressing it, if any? >> well, they all talk about doing something about trade, other than cruz. i think that's very important. because one of the reasons that incomes have been falling so rapidly is because of international trade. we have had lousy trade agreements. they have driven down wages. you know, the mainstream
economists say that free trade is always good. that's like saying vitamin c is always good. if i give you 10,000 units a day, you will get sick. >> right. so it's not a matter of being against free trade. but of adjusting or maybe enforcing our trade agreements in a way that benefits american workers. is that what you are saying? >> exactly. we probably have four million fewer jobs because of our trade with china and other asian nation because they don't let in our products but we let in theirs. if that were fixed trade would be great and wages would rise and americans would have more money. even though they have more money they still have to spend it more prudently. so many families own a ford explorer when a ford escape would could them just as well. they have to get rid of spending to the limit and not worrying about tomorrow. most people would handle that $400 emergency boy putting it on their credit card. sooner or later we have another recession. we always do. like we have another 25-inch blizzard sooner or later.
they are not prepared and we get a wave of bankruptcies. >> every government official i have heard is encouraging the spend as much on goods. >> they want people to borrow money to get the economy going rather than fix what's broken structurally. argument going around among the elites that the governments should borrow and spend more as a way of jump starting the economy. haven't we been trying that since 2008? there are really fundamental structural problems been imposed by government, limb tapings on growth. economy has been growing at less than 2% a year in this century. reagan's era, 4% a year. >> it seems like mass insanity to me. peter, it's great to see you this morning. thanks a lot for doing that. >> take care. >> jesse watters is coming up with his confrontation with the reverend al sharpton. he will tell us how that went down. martial arts moves that anyone can do to fend off even the strongest attackers. we will show you what they are.
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hi, everyone, good morning, been practicing martial arts since he was six. now he has three minutes to turn us into black belt. >> master tony morrison joins us now with the self-defense moves you need to protect yourself. great to see you. >> krav maga you were just telling us israeli defense force came up with this. what's the idea behind it. >> basically it's movements that are your natural movements all the techniques are based but highly aggressive. and it's about really protecting yourself and being very agreaive when you are attacked. >> so much is knowing about your surroundings and try not to get into the
situations. if you do tell us how to get out of it. >> somebody is pulling me by the arm. >> demonstrate on person. grabbing her by the arm. >> got you there at the end. >> animal. >> someone is grabbing you and pulling you are not going to resist. you are going to inclination is to go away. realize that the threat is there and then go for it punch right to the face. oh, good and more spawm strikes. give me mean striction there krav maga groin techniques are very important. >> why an open palm. >> it's -- that's a great question. because if you are not used to making punches, the metacarpals in your hand are very easy to break. it's easier for you to use the heel of your palm. less injury. get into a conversation you don't have to worry about. >> how much force can you put behind that. >> as much force as you do with a regular, using the heal of the palm going for
the soft spot in the face. >> so i'm going to push you back. right arm up. rotate your body good. now my hand -- now started attacking me. >> pow pow pow pow. you have to make sure you attack. good, good. there is no chance you are getting mugged in new york. tony, you are the best. it's amazing and highly aggressive. we can attest to that we have got a lot more coming up. meanest mom in the world confiscate her kid's ice cream. we will tell you why she did it stay tuned. >> how much do donald trump's haters really know about their cause? >> he says that he is going to make muslims register. >> how would you defeat isis? >> i would build hospitals and schools. >> that makes sense. >> jesse watters live next hour. >> don't go anywhere. [vet] two yearly physicals down.
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hey, everybody, good morning. saturday, the 23rd of april, 2016. i'm anna kooiman. this is a fox news alert. the hunt for a killer now underway in ohio. after a killing spree that left 8 people from the same family dead execution style. the brand new details breaking overnight. >> and why was al sharpton caught on tape threatening cops? >> i just want to do ask you, crackers and off pigs. would you like to apologize for that? >> you don't have footage saying that. >> actually we don't have footage. proof and sharpton's excuse. >> shilling was fired for espn facebook post against the bathroom bill. but that hasn't stopped the former all star from speaking his mind. because what he is saying this morning he may be out of a job and definitely fired up. so are you because mornings are better with friends.
>> hey, everybody, welcome in to "fox & friends." brian kilmeade in the house. >> i'm privileged he to be here especially on picnic day. we have a chance to speak to one of fox's premier talents. >> jesse watters is waiting. >> he is joining us. he is itching to get on. inching ever closer. >> this is a fox news alert. a desperate manhunt is on. cold blooded killer wanted for a string of brutal murders. eight family members including 16-year-old boy shot in the head execution style in four different homes. police in pike county, ohio, are interviewing dozen of people trying to learn thentityd saying there may be more than one killer on the run. at least two babies and one toddler survived. the youngest baby only four days old was found in bed
next to her mother's body. and the body of music legend prince is back with his family this morning. autopsy is now complete. it could take weeks before we know the exact cause of death. >> there were no obvious signs of trauma on the body at all. we have no reason to believe at this point that this was a suicide. this is a tragedy for all of us. >> prince was found dead in an elevator of his minnesota estate on wednesday. fans gathering there with balloons and flowers to pay their final's are. this are reports prince may have overdosed just days before his death on pain pills. a full toxicology scan will likely take several weeks. and president obama holding strong to his opinion that the uk should stay a part of the european union. speaking in london, he warned of economic fallout if voters choose to leave. >> part of being friends is to be honest. and to let you know what i think. and speaking honestly, the
outcome of that decision is a matter of deep interest to the united states because it effects our prospects as well. >> but it wasn't all business. future prince king george got to stay up past his bedtime. prince george, time to meet the first couple. and he thanked the obamas for the rocking horse they gave him when he was born. those pictures are so cute. >> sitting there with the bath robe on. i have never seen a kid that small wear a bath robe. >> mono grammed bath robe. >> got to have it don't want to use the wrong one. >> mine says holiday glin they don't have bath robes anymore. >> they have good scrambled eggs. >> anything terry cloth i'm for. rnc chairman reince priebus calling politics a team sport calling the party to get behind whoever is the party nominee as long as they reach the 1237.
>> two make or break states that. >> good morning, tucker, the republican national chairman did not mention donald trump by name. after throw days of intense politics in hollywood, florida in his address to delegates, he did say they would have to get behind whoever was the eventual nominee even if that meant supporting donald trump. >> the sooner republicans unite, the sooner we will show america we're the only party ready to lead the course correction america is waiting for. [cheers and applause] >> donald trump was only one of the throw remaining candidates in florida. he was doing the opposite. instead of lobbying the delegates here he was on the campaign trail basically making the case that the republican primary system is rigged. it was really up to his surrogates here in florida to try to make the case that donald trump on the stump is
a very different man than donald trump off the stump, that he would soon be moderating his tone to become more presidential and work well with the republican leadership. back to you in new york. >> all right, steve. it's going to be very interesting as tucker you mentioned earlier, if he gets 1100, if he gets 1150 and doesn't get to 1237 are rereally going to go to a contested convention. >> they are going to give it to a man who got fewer votes. >> good luck. >> did you hear jesse watts was coming on the show. >> where is the premier talent talking about. is doocy here. >> i'm looking. >> you are talking about peter, of course. >> trying to get the picture of you in a bath robe out of my head. people are eating breakfast along with bath mat and washcloths. >> you have footage to your trip to anti-trump rally. you went to tuxedo which is provocative. >> dress to do impress. overdressed for the protest. >> okay. let's watch.
>> hateful. >> he says is he going to make muslims register. >> how would you defeat isis? >> i would build hospitals and schools. >> that makes sense. your sign says trump is a fascist. do you know what that. >> fascism is a system that is very hierarchal. >> what is that? >> higher artical. >> something to do with the artic. >> north pole. >> you see -- someone just handed me this sign. a lot of these protesters are paid protesters. trump is already creating jobs before is he in the oval office. >> fantastic. when you walked in there, where were you and set the scene for me. angry? >> very angry. they are angry at me because i was wearing a tuxedo. this was new york g.o.p. gala where donald trump and all the other guys were
speaking there was trump guy there who got punched in the face by other radicals. i didn'ti didn't want to get anything on the tux so i tried to stay clear of that they don't know why they don't like trump they think he is mean. >> did you talk to anybody who did know why they were protesting. >> a lot of very angry latinos, upset about the wall. but they are not just mad about the wall. they said this is our land. you know, we were here first and this is -- we were indigenous americans. so there is a little bit of we are going to take things over. >> whole santa ana principle. >> article in vanity fair israeli jarrett describes al sharpton as as one of president obama's closest advisors. >> we have footage of him talking about police brutality.
i think we have it here. >> take a look. >> offing the pig. ' they got pigs back here. you ain't offed off of them. i believe what i do. what do you believe in. >> played footage on watters world. we said we reached out to al sharpton. we haven't looked back. o'reilly taught me if somebody doesn't get back to you, you go to them. we had the national action conference here in new york. so i went to the conference and asked al, you know, what's going on with this? i think we have it here. >> we have footage of you saying off crackers and off pigs. would you like to apologize for that? >> you don't have footage saying that you had where i said that a guy was -- they were talking about offing pigs and i said you ain't going to do nothing. and i mocked him. >> talked about. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. now you are changing. >> i actually have the transcripts right here. >> no. i watched the film i don't
say in any of that. what did i was mock the guy. and you should deal with that. >> i have the transcripts right here. >> i don't need the transcripts. i know what i said. >> yes. so here you have an open race baiter espousing violence and is he one of the president's closest advisors? >> um-huh. scary stuff, isn't it? i mean this guy has got like the side door to the white house. this guy is a race baiter. i guess maybe a difference of opinion. >> maybe was. >> he has changed. >> perhaps. >> i remember last week when he talked to megyn kelly. he could have kept walking like a lot of these people. he talked to you there. he could have avoided you. >> this is the fourth swipe i had at him. he dodged and weaved all afternoon. this wasn't like him being gracious. i had to chase this guy around his own conference for three hours. >> what he thinks off the pigs not a lot of nuances there. you didn't have to parse it. >> read between the lines
there. >> this is going to be part of your show. >> not only that. we have trump who calls. in we have bill o'reilly in o'reilly's world. he qualities me a cross dresser. >> so which bathroom are you using? >> bill actually wants to build a separate gender neutral bathroom in north carolina. you know what i'm thinking? i'm going to use that bathroom because it's the cleanest. nobody will ever be in it. that's the one i'm going to use. >> real quick. one of the stories breaking, the ap did a study about hillary clinton's appearances between 2013 and 2014. most of the groups she lobbed with have got on contracts with the government. could do you see a problem that can creep up and bite her in the general perhaps. >> are you saying hillary might be a little corrupt? is that what you are telling me? shocking. there is no quid pro quo. of course. it's like with the foundation. you give them a half a
million dollars and bill gives a speech to russia. and then russia gets all the uranium. and then they say oh, there is no proof. there is no proof. well, we're not stupid. so you know what? she already put sanders to rest. she is going to get the nomination. he trump will have to take her out. if. >> show 8:00 tonight repeats at 11:00. if you are boozing tonight you can watch it on sunday. >> which one do you watch. >> i don't watch any of them. i will be drinking all weekend. >> i don't know if jesse had a chance to run across rick reichmuth. he comes up in basically gym clothes. right before we toss to you you are dressed casually. >> what's your point. >> i can't do that i'm amazed. you come with two outfits. >> i go to my office and change 30 seconds right before i need to. who wants to be in a suit any longer than you have to. >> might be upset you didn't bring your rain coat today. i was getting dristled on. >> it will be out of here pretty quickly and have a
nice day. system that moved through the east coast. same system that brought the flooding to texas this week. that is finally out of here. and then we are going to turn our attention to this next system here across the west. bringing some rain and mountain snow. mainly across the northern rockies. tomorrow that dives in across areas of the central plains and i think i have got the wrong graphic up there i apologize for that we will see more severe weather tomorrow across the central plains. could be talking about tuesday the biggest severe weather threat we have had so far this year. major tornadoes possible across areas of kansas and down towards oklahoma. so we are going to watch that closely. obviously election day. election dates out across the east where we will see a little bit of rain as well. thank you. >> taking a selfie. >> jesse is on instagram. is he all excited about it. >> i'm sorry. you just caught us. >> i'm listening to rick reichmuth prepare to toss. apparently i'm the only one paying attention. >> we were all huddled
together taking pictures. >> but it's more followers. jesse has on instagram. >> his world. >> for the record, i'm not on it. worry back to reality. coming up next, donald trump is the only candidate who mathematically can still get the delegates need to do avoid a contested convention. can he do it? what will he have to do to pull that off? a look at the scenarios coming up. >> a waitress surprises a group of officers with this receipt, paying for their entire meal and thanking them for their service. the reason why she did it will warm your heart.
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right now i have millions more votes than cruz, millions more votes than kasich. i have almost 300 more delegates than cruz even though it's a crooked system. now there is no path for victory for cruz. so they should both get out. they should both get out. >> that was donald trump. of course, yesterday pointing out what everyone always knows. he is dominating the delegate count. is he still well short of the magic number, the majority, 1237. there are 20 contests roughly still left. can he get to the nomination with the majority of delegates? university of virginia divlernt author politics and managing editor of sabato's crystal ball. good to see you this morning. >> thanks. >> is what donald trump said in effect true? is ted cruz mathematically incapable of getting the majority at this point? >> is he unable to get the rec requisite number of delegates. in the nominating season if
trump get get it on the first ballot. cruz could get it on the second. depends on how you define it. >> delegates as awarded by voters rather than free-lancing at the convention. >> he can't. but he could still get the nomination. >> how tough would it be for trump to get to the majority before the cleveland convention. >> i think it's definitely plausible for him. he has to start off by doing really well on tuesday. there are a number of northeastern states that vote. trump is probably going to win all those states and needs to run up the score on them. indiana which cruz is targeting as a state which he is going to try to win like he did in wisconsin. if trump wins indiana. you know, it may -- trump may be probably can't top trump. if not california. >> what does it look like? trump on tuesday. five states in play wins all five. and i think most people predicting that is likely. and then he is up by 8 or 9, i think, in indiana in the one poll we have from that state.
he wins that. where is he delegate wise? >> he would be at about -- he would be plus about 150 from where he is now. now, some of the contests in may are not as favorable to trump. some of them are kind of proportional. you still have to do well in caflt. there is 172 delegates. trump is still going to need 100 plus out there. but, you know, if he wins indiana, that's maybe about 40 delegates that otherwise you wouldn't necessarily be given to him. >> we just had the new numbers from california up on the board there delegates in california are awarded by congressional district. there are an awful lot of them. trump seems to be leading in all of them in the state of california. maybe a reflection of what a disaster that state is voters seem really angry there. do you think there is a realistic chance at this point that we will really see a contested convention? i mean, really? >> i mean, there is a realistic possibility, but i think that a lot of people, particularly after cruz won wisconsin were saying oh,
it's a shoe in, we're going to have a contested convention. i don't thinkthink trump definis a path. particularly if he wins indiana. you know, this thing may be over than most people think. >> yeah. so someone -- last question. someone had covers politics thinks about this all day. is it in anyone's interest to have a contested convention and to go through the chaos that inevitably result from that? >> well, you know, the public is used to the popular vote winner and the delegate leader, you know, winning the actual nomination. it's been the case for the last 40 years when the voters got more involved in the process. so, you know, i think that you could quibble with some of trump's arguments, but i think what he said in the clip you just played basically saying he has got the most votes, got the most delegates. that's a compelling argument to a lot of people. >> kondik, great to see you. >> thank you. >> coming up, you know her from reality television, perhaps. this morning she is being
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mouse? 5.4% how much mcdonald's sales jumped since serving all day breakfast. mcpick 2 it's a value. have you tried that. >> i haven't but it looks delicious. 45 minutes after the hour. you know her from the reality show jersey bell. -- jersey belle. >> i can make cannolis. >> i don't know what that is. >> you don't know what a cannoli is? >> jamie is causing a different kind of commotion thanks to a post on facebook. the mother of three taking to social media site describing what happened when she took her kids out for ice cream. >> the post reads this way. the young lady may 17 handed each child ice cream. not one looked her in the eye. not one said thank you. calmly collected ice cream and kids watched in horror as i deposited them into a nearby garbage can where 2-year-old, too old at 8/7/5
to move through our days without exercising manners and basic human decency. to sewed, i am the meanest mom in the world. >> jaime, meanest mom in the world. reaction you feel good about what you did. you sent what message to your kids? >> i feel great about what i did, and i would do it again. to me it is, you know, we are living in a very selfie centric society right now. and i just will not have children who move through the world not seeing people. people are not meant to be invisible. i say it to my kids all the time. you have to look people in the eye. you have to acknowledge their presence. the human connection for me is everything. we speak about it in my home all the time. it is not a surprise to my children, so, when i express my disappointment in them, they were upset that they lost their ice cream but at the end of the day, they understood where i was coming from because we speak about social responsibility and the human connection at
home all the time. >> you talk about this selfie centric society we live, in this entitlement generation that i know you are trying to stop. but what about the people who are calling you a devil woman for trying to teach your kids manners? >> they are probably the same people who believe that kids should get trophies just for showing up. and i don't -- you know, i don't subscribe to that. i will -- it is my job to raise good human beings. it not my job to be their friend. i am their mother. and i was raised by a mother who when she said no, she meant it. you ate what she cooked for you. and manners were expected. not rewarded. and, you know what? i'm better for it. before i had children and i think we are august this way, we think we won't be that mom. you know, i won't be the mom that rides my kids. i will never be the mom that throws away the ice cream. and at the end of the day, you know, if i god forbid pass tomorrow, i want to leave the world with children who will make this a better place. >> wait a second.
wait a second. jamie, what about their self-esteem? these are precious little snowflakes don't you think by throwing heir ice cream away you are dooming their life full of therapy and prozac. >> actually, i do not. >> good for you. >> i don't subscribe to that. listen, i'm sure that in some way i will mess up my kids but it won't be because i'm teaching them manners. it won't be because i'm teaching them respect. >> good for you. >> for me, really, the most important thing for me and is that we have started a could dialogue now where moms feel empowered to take back the respect. because, we're raising kids in a world where people are like don't hit them. don't spank them. don't punish them. don't take anything away. just give them, give them, give them. the power for teaching our children manners and respect was being drained from us as parents. and now i feel like the dialogue is there for moms to go no, you know what? they are my kids. and i will teach them to respect other people. >> are your kids.
>> it's not up for discussion. >> are your kids okay with the social media fame? >> my kids don't know really what social media is. so they don't really understand any of this. but i will tell you what they do understand, brian, they understand respect. >> absolutely. 98% of your responders say bravo. even ashton kutcher shared this whole story from facebook and was. >> he did. >> or to the sense of essentially good for you. they support what you did. jamie sullivan, you are a hero, at least in my view. great to see you this, no. thanks a lot for doing. this thanks so much, guys. >> okay. friends at home. what do you think about this? would you take ice cream away from your kids if they didn't say thank you and look the person who served them in the eyes. email us at fox news dot okay come. hit us up on social media as well. >> a moment they free a baby from a hot car. [crying] >> oh, baby.
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all right. they have been serving our nation for over a century. today, they celebrate the u.s. army reserves 108th birthday with a cake-cutting ceremony. there is no better place to cut the cake than here on "fox & friends." >> brine, we will do it right here. here to do the honors is bryce parker special reservist of the year. good morning, congratulations. >> 108 years. that's amazing. first of all happy birthday and how did it start? >> it started as a medical reserve unit as a response to help out the active duty component to be -- to enhance medical readiness. >> to enhance. what are the role of the reserves especially over the last 15 years since the towers fell and we have been to afghanistan and iraq. >> the army reserve is here to fill in reserve components to assist our active duty component and better assist the mission. >> as you are recruiting, i'm sure you would like to do that what's the obligation like? >> like they say one weekend a month we go and train
there is a lot more than that you train and you are ready, and you do any time your country needs you or your unit needs you are there to protect and serve. >> sergeant, i was trying to count my stripes but my eyes got blurry a lot. and a lot of medals, too. how long have you been. >> in i have been lucky enough to serve active duty, national guard and army reserve. i was part of the 69 national guard unit right here when we respond to do 9/11. also i went to the army reserve. it gives me opportunity. i'm ems lieutenant for the fire department. so the army reserve gives me a chance to both serve my community and the country. it's just been amazing. >> they support each other? >> absolutely. >> fire department understands. >> not only do they understand but they support. when i talk about support. i'm able to train and i'm able to use both skills. >> wow. >> that's the best thing we have got. we have citizen soldiers serving all over the world and woe use both what we learn at home and what we do for the country. >> it sounds tough though,
because you guys are leading normal civilian lives and sometimes you go overseas and yanked out of that levee into a whole different life. is that hard. >> it can be difficult. i was at work a few hours ago. it was very difficult to be on a desk and work one minute have. a break and be able to come back and do this in another uniform. >> general parker, how do you earn reservist of the year? >> how do i? >> yeah. >> it's a serious competition. i trained and i was ready all my skills and put up against the best that the army reserve has. and i'm grateful that i have all the training that i have to be able to be the top. >> we're grateful for you. we're grateful you brought a cake. can woe cut it. >> thank you very much. >> you can grab that knife, sure? >> yeah, sure. >> do the honors. >> all right. what part do you want? >> lots of icing. >> it's for you guys first and then we dig in. and you have a ceremonious way that you do it, right,
the way it's served? >> i don't know. >> take a stab at it. >> we're just going to cut a nice big piece off. >> that's the spirit. >> cake boss. you don't look like you are eating a lot of cake in normal levee. >> we are always on the go. >> i know when i'm around cake eaters. we're going to cut that cake and obviously consume it. >> you celebrate this around the country? >> we do. >> everybody will stop? >> yes. >> 108 years. thank you for your service? >> thank you very much. >> thanks, guys. appreciate you coming down. now we have cake. >> rick reichmuth standing by with a report from the actual word. >> save me a corner piece. i will be right. >> there beautiful day for irving across the country. tomorrow not as much. take a look at the maps. here is the right graphic for tomorrow. chances for severe weather. maybe a tornado or two tomorrow right where you see that yellow blob primarily. tuesday is the bigger severe day. and it's going to be, i think, a very significant
one. today, the northeast a few showers to start the day but we're going to year things out by the afternoon and pretty nice day. a little bit cooler across far interior sections. that cool air makes its way across the coast tomorrow a chillier day. overall not that bad. in across the southern plains, take a look at this. humidity dropping really dropping. get ready across the southeast. seeing readings into the 90's. summer is coming. sunny icon over the houston area. great news with the flooding we saw there this week. into the northern plains, another great day as well. tons of sunshine. temperatures log good. out across the west. snow across the far northern rockies as well as the pacific northwest but we will see more sunshine across the southwest. pretty good day to get outside on a saturday. >> god. you are outside. so it works out well for you, rick. 22 minutes now before the top of the hour. >> we are going to tell you about other stories making headlines this hour. a father is facing child abuse charges after allegedly leaving newborn
son in a sweltering car while donating plasma. [baby crying] >> capture the moment free that crying baby from the car. that's when ran out of the plasma center still attached to iv. police believe the you? born was alone for over an hour. the baby was rushed to the hospital and is said to be okay. high school teacher force to do resign after showing a john oliver clip about donald trump is fighting back. >> the name trump was not the family name. ancestor changed it from donald drump again. #make donald drump again. >> screening teacher
submitted resignation but withdrew it last night. other students started petition to save his job. expected to board's meeting on tuesday. and former espn analyst curt schilling already lost his job so now he isn't holding back, expressing his views on the north carolina so-called bathroom bill. shilling getting into a twitter battle with dodgers pitcher brandon mccarthy after he tweeted he didn't agree with shilling's stance on the issue. shilling was fired from espn earlier this week for posting this picture mocking the transgender bathroom debate. group of police officers force to do bury one of their own got unexpected surprise from a waitress. after an officer's funeral they went to a red robin in ohio to grab a bite to eat. they didn't have to pay for a thing. instead server paid for $123 bill all by herself and left a note saying this. your bill is on me today. i can't imagine the day you all have it let alone what you go through every day. #police levees matter.
the officers were so touched by her generosity they shared the story online and now we're sharing it with you. random act of kindness goes a long way. >> absolutely. especially law enforcement who seems to be under the gun especially democratic debate nonstop going after things have to be reformed. >> that's for sure. >> goes a long way $250,000 for a single speech. that's what hillary clinton got when she spoke to goldman sachs. she says she is going to release the transcripts from all her transcript speeches once everybody else does. so who is everybody else? not bernie sanders. we will tell you coming up. >> i guess we are going to have to release all our speeches too, tucker. it's up to you. >> baseball has been around for more than a century. 21st century update. could help your kid get closer to the big leagues how it works straight ahead.
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good morning, and thanks for joining us. >> good morning. thanks for having me. what is she waiting on and will she keep stonewalling. >> it depends if you want to get technical or realistic about this. hillary clinton says she will release the transcripts as long as everybody else does. her immediate opponent bernie sanders says wall street doesn't love him. they haven't invited him to do many paid speeches. that's kind of out of the picture. ing will at the republicans or owe opponents. kasich says he has no transcripts to release. unclear if cruz was given many speeches. he was in the bush white house. prince secretary brian fallon says trump is the one they are really pointing this comment towards because they have reason to believe that trump has given speeches, highly paid speeches and it seemed like they are sort of hinting
that trump should release his transcripts. so we heard him unveil his nickname for hillary last weekend crooked hillary clinton. >> yep. >> i imagine we will continue to hear that what does he need to do to fight back if they both end up taking the nomination. >> difficult to see. trump played the same game on the other side. he hasn't released his tax returns which is not something you typically see at this staining of the race. is he finding ways to put these requests off as well. it would be interesting if trump releases his transcripts and calls on hillary to release hers who knows. >> it was wild when bernie sanders released his taxes which was one of the preconditions she said she needed in order for her to release these transcripts but still hasn't done. so what he made in a year is about what she makes for one speech. >> a couple hours. >> exactly. i wonder what she is saying there. there is associated press review and we want to get right to this. federal records show almost all of the 82 corporations trade associations and other groups that paid for or sponsored clinton's speeches have sought to influence the
government or clinton herself when she was secretary of state. that comes to us from the associated press. >> that's a big deal. clinton has really been trying to deflect this press. she already has enough issues with her speeches, with her fundraising. with her ties to special interests. she has really been trying to deflect this and get the attention off of it. as long as sanders is in the race, these things will still come to light. and democratic voters will still pay attention to them. >> so why hundreds of thousands of dollars was she paid? this was her answer back in february on the debate stage. listen. >> you've made three speechts for goldman sach's. you were paid $675,000 for three speeches. was that a mistake? was that a bad error in judgment? >> look, i made speeches to lots of groups. i told them what i thought. i answered questions. >> but did you have to pay $675,000? >> well, i don't know. that's what they offered. >> it was just what they offered it seems like she is old hat at this. clinton rider exposed.
presidential suite up to three rooms. all local transportation and meals and personal stenographer. it looks like she had something in mind with. this that's what they offered. it would be interesting to see donald trump answer this question. i can see trump saying hey, i actually asked for $1 million. if they go head to head, that will be a really interesting conversation. but she -- you know, that's why a lot of people are calling on sanders to get out of race, the more he puts pressure on her, especially where it really hurts, this issue of honesty and trustworthy the more it could hurt clinton in the general election. >> reports when she was making those speeches her staff would take cell phones of people in the crowd. >> wouldn't write it down. >> will we ever know if she doesn't release them? shelby holiday "wall street journal" senior video editor/reporter. thank you so much. 12 minutes before the top of the hour. donald trump the undeniable frontrunner for the republican nomination. but today chairman reince priebus pushes back. >> we aren't going to hand
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it's saturday, april 2016. i'm can that kooiman. this is a fox news alert. hunt is on for a killer in ohio after a killing spree that left 8 people from the same family dead execution style. the breaking details straight ahead. >> and then donald trump is now the undeniable frontrunner for the g.o.p. nomination. today, reince priebus chairman of the rny pushed back. >> we aren't going to hand the nomination to anyone with a plurality no matter how close they get to 1237. you need a majority. >> close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. >> we're not going to hand the nomination. who is we? the brand new poll numbers that could change anything. >> wow, that who's we was not in the tucker. breakup of america's favorite tv couple. top executives sounding the alarm and rethinking the plan to put kelly ripa back on tv. there is word she could go rogue. that is a lot different in one hour.
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that you have been glued to for the past nine months. we have brand new fox news polls and they show the state of the race in the key states of indiana, which votes on the 5th of may and california june 7th, they are pivotal and we now know what voters think in those states. >> all right. let's take a look first off on indiana. this is where ted cruz is thought to have best chances week of may 3rd to come up with a victory. according to this poll trending donald trump's direction. listen on the radio 41 for trump. 33 for cruz, 16 for kasich. after donald trump won big in new york where did he go, anna? to indiana the next morning. he knows this is key. >> trying to drum up support there. tony katz was on the show earlier to talk about numbers. take a listen. >> there is a louder, palpable, stop donald trump or never trump movement here is not real. that's true north to the south. same thing with cruz. there is no cruz hate here. this is a state trying to figure it out. you have trump haters.
you have trump lovers. people get angry with me if i'm not engaged in multiple platitudes and people unhappy with me if i say well, he hit something well on this talking point or that talking point. indiana we have a long way to go. it's only nine days or so. but those nine days are going to make a huge difference in figuring it out. >> it really is the last holdout, i think, for people who believe that cruz can stop donald trump. if he doesn't do it in indiana, it's kind of hard to see where he does do it and these numbers, frankly i was surprised by them. there hasn't been any polling that i'm aware of in indiana other than this. >> we have rhode island, delaware rhode island. may will be tough. not if he takes indiana. anna, not if he is prepared -- not if he continues to trend this way in california in june. >> that's right. donald trump taking almost half of the vote right now. as it stands 49% going to donald tmump. 22% to senator ted cruz and 20% to kasich. >> so what does this mean? i mean it, looks like donald trump is on his way to
becoming the republican nominee. it's actually happening. things could occur in the meantime, unforeseen events could intercede. as of right now that's what it looks like. >> tucker, the only one with the path to 1237 that magic number is donald trump at this point. senator cruz had called on john kasich to get out of the race. >> mathematically impossible. >> if he races. >> ted cruz is too, right. >> who gets to make the decision. is the decision going to be made by voters or by delegates? by the way who are these delegates who get to pick the party's nominee. deeper question is what does it mean to be republican? is that decision made by the party, boy reince priebus or the voters? >> you have seen this for almost anyone than i know. for you to say if he gets to 1100, the average american is not knee deep in this says give it to them. reince priebus success there is a reason why that number. that number gives you one more majority. that's why it's always been. if donald trump is not able to pull off what he seems to
be doing now and if he gets close. he just told us close is not good enough. let's listen. >> politics is a team sport. and we can't win unless we rally around whoever becomes our nominee. the rules say you have to have 1237 delegates to be the nominee. we aren't going to hand the nomination to anyone with a plurality no matter how close they get to 1237. you need a majority. and as the old phrase goes: close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. >> yeah. i mean, look i understand the concerns donald trump. i think it's terrifying to a lot of people and i certainly understand why. spare me. we hand congressional seats for people who run for congress all the time. if you get more votes than anyone else i are the congressman. it's not a crazy concept.
if not the guy from the most votes then who. >> we have put in the face time and ground game and put in the effort long term and if donald trump is such a dealmaker why didn't he know the rules and do the same thing. >> entirely fair point but it still raises the question. are you really going to put a guy with fewer votes into the nomination? are you really going to do that? how are you going to do that exactly? >> behind the scenes donald trump's people made it clear that donald trump is going to becoming more of a traditional candidate. start doing fundraisers are to the rnc. the word bag is i want to see donald trump change his tone on the stump and start ripping the rnc and their process because then we will say we know for sure things have changed. >> that's never going to happen. >> with the polls in indiana and california say is the people are rallying to trump. they are saying that he looks like. >> can i say how silly that is? i understand paul manafort went before the rnc to say is going to raise a lot of money and be a loyal party guy. really? he owes them nothing. they hate him. they tried to stop him at
every turn. is he not going to be a loyal party guy. i just don't believe that do you know what i mean pushing for him or not, that's just not true. >> so yesterday donald trump was on the stump. and he does not -- he didn't have the teleprompter handy but did want to bring out the real issue of outsourcing and said this when it came to customer service on certain organizations. >> >> do you ever call up on your credit card you? want to find out about your credit card. guess what? you are talking to a person from india. you say how the hell does that work? so i called up under the guise i'm checking on my card. say where are you from? we are from india. oh, great, that's wonderful. thank you very much. that's all i need. >> i have no problem with that. people are making a big deal. >> i'm shocked and appalled. >> they are saying he is mocking indians and racist for saying that. >> it's hilarious. >> i couldn't hardly hear it. >> if you mimic another person's accent does that make you racist? if you mimic australian
accent. >> my husband is australian and i mimic him all the time. >> accented is not a race it's a language. >> part of this is trolls on the internet and bloggers on the internet are trying to find a headline to run with and get as many clicks as possible. >> i actually think it's other channels actually going to town on this. >> are they really? >> sunday shows. absolutely. hop can forget this vice president trying to be president joe biden brought this up when he was in the state of delaware. >> in square, the largest growth in population is indian american, moving from india. you cannot go to a 7/11 or a dunkin' donuts unless you have a slight indian accent. >> so, people got on him for that. but they let that go. that was something where you are definitely stereotyping. >> do you know who has lost in this election? the press. elevating the irrelevant moments like this to position of pressroom nens. if you don't like trump there is a lot to argue
about trump's positions. you could take on trade position and explain what's wrong with it. instead they are calling him a racist like indian. insane, childish. >> you are weighing in on this. debbie says. this trump telling the truth again. every american can relate and has experienced this. go trump. >> christian writes it's quite easy to make fun of someone's accent but you shouldn't do it. >> but you are not making fun. you are saying we outsource to india. the point is outsourced to india and he thinks those jobs could be in america. >> even if you are making fun of someone's accent. who cares? >> i'm southern, y'all. i get made fun of in new york city all the time. other stories making headlines. get straight to this one because a desperate manhunt is on for a cold blooded killer wanted for a string of bruttle murders. eight family members including 16-year-old boy shot in the head execution style in four different homes. police in pike county, ohio, are interviewing dozens of people trying to learn the identity of the shooter.
and they also say there may be more than one killer on the run. at least two babies and one toddler survived the incident. the youngest baby only four days old. and was found in bed next to her mother's dead body. music legend prince's body is back with his family. autopsy is complete it could be weeks before we know the exact cause of death. >> there were no obvious signs of trauma on the body at all. we have no reason to believe at this point that this was a suicide. this is a tragedy for all of us. >> prince was found dead in an elevator of his minnesota estate on wednesday. fans gathering there with balloons and flowers to pay their final respects. this is -- there are reports out there that prince may have overdosed just days before his death on pain pills. the full toxicology scan will likely take several weeks. and get this: more than 500 pounds of dangerous explosives stolen from a freight train and now the feds are trying to find out where they went. an atf official tells fox
news the commercial grade fireworks were on a train heading from chicago to detroit. investigators say they may have been stolen during a stop in ohio and pose a great risk to the public. so far there are no signs this is terror-related. all right, brian. this is all you. your story of the morning. >> all right. here we go. the standoff seems to be over. kelly ripa returning live to her show next week confirming the news it her staff late last night. this is the first stage of the story. i want to do thank you all for giving me the time to process the new information. we are a family and i look forward to seeing you on tuesday morning. but, just moments ago, pay attention. run to your televisions. the "new york post" broke this story. abc executives are reportedly very worried about ripa, fearing that once she is on live television, she will go rogue and pull an ann curry live event by breaking the script. ripa called off sick earlier this week after co-host michael strahan announced he was leaving for gma. she could go rogue.
>> she doesn't want to go out like that. >> anna, have you ever been tempted to go rogue. >> no, i haven't. >> we do tough things on live television and it's part of the job. >> right. >> so, you know, maybe she needed a mental health day or couple of them last week. >> it's a pretty easy job to be totally honest. better than working in customer service. dyou know what i what i mean? really hard job. super hard. >> also here on yesterday there was a report that they weren't even speaking. they only spoke through intermediaries. how do you that on air. >> you hear that all the time people on tv who don't like each other. >> name some. >> we actually got in a fist fight before the show. >> pour -- pulling ann curry is like a verb. >> two professionals. little bit of rain this morning across the mid-atlantic and northeast it will be out of here this afternoon and nice day.
tomorrow cooler air comes. in get ready for chillier day. spectacular day. all across the east. certainly to the southeast. the west we have a storm system, mostly in towards the northern rockies bringing some scattered showers and some snow. tomorrow that moves across parts of the plains and a little bit of severe weather including some tornadoes, but the bigger story is going to be on tuesday. a major tornado outbreak potential in line for tuesday right here across the plains. get ready for that. talk a lot about elections on tuesday, guys. people aren't necessarily going to be prepared but they need to because it's a really bad one. >> rick, if you want to talk to me and i said this before, call my agent. [ laughter ] >> please, please. no direct eye contact or can i go rogue. >> when you looked over, you were log slightly this way not making eye contact. >> all right. coming up straight ahead, we will heal our wounds. >> just when the presidential race couldn't get any more bizarre, convicted felons could actually help put hillary clinton in the white house. and she thinks that's great. next guest says the timing way too convenient. there's no going back.
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>> well, could convicted felons be the deciding factor in choosing the next president. in the commonwealth of virginia that is now a real possibility. the state's governor democrat terry mcauliff just signed a bill giving voting rights to the states 200,000 former felons. he did it by executive order. critics are now blasting the move saying it's entirely political to lock up more votes for the governor's long-time friend hillary clinton. here to tell us more, "the weekly standard's" daniel halper. great to see you this morning. >> great to see you, tucker. >> just to give our viewers some sense how close this state is virginia is one of the key states in any presidential election, just right on the knife's edge demographically. here are the numbers from 2012.
barack obama 51.2%. mitt romney 47.3. but, if you break it down by votes, the difference between them was less than 200,000. so, conceivably, this really could make a massive difference. >> totally. and that's what i think it's intended for. look, terry mcauliff is a long time ally of the clintons. long time booster. really raised and donated millions of dollars to the clintons and to their causes. this is of huge helpful hand and a gift, really, right before the 2016 presidential election, adding 200,000, mostly democrats to the rolls going ahead in what will be a crucial state for hillary clinton to win should she want to be the president of the united states. >> i'm for rehabilitating criminals, felons, even. i know a couple who are good guys who have done their time and paid their debt to society and i would be happy to see them vote. but terry mcauliff acted like this was the next move in a civil rights continuum and the implication was that these people were somehow imprisoned unfairly. is there any evidence of that? >> and also the implication
is if you oppose it you are racist. virginia has had some of the strictest laws. like you, there is a very strong case to make that if you have gone through the penal system, and you have, you know, and you believe in the penal system, well then you have done your time for the crime and you should be able to vote and have all your rights restored. that's a different case than, look, terry mcauliff hasn't been making that case publicly. he hasn't been trying to build up the legislative support in the republican-led general assembly in virginia. he hasn't been -- you know, he hasn't been trying to bring the public around him. this was sudden, surprising, done on a friday afternoon, obviously. >> exactly. >> it's the politics behind it it's not -- there is a legitimate case to make for this kind of action. by the way, not necessarily executive action because he was -- he did it by executive order in a similar way that president obama changes the immigration laws. >> so really quickly, is there any move to try to restore their gun rights which are enshrined in the bill of rights? if they are not allow to do
hunt, why should they be allow to do vote? >> right, of course not. no, terry mcauliff is not talking about that he it doesn't appear he is interested in restoring all rights. it's just the convenient ones. the ones that help him and his party. terry mcauliff is not up for re-election. can he not run for consecutive terms in the state of west virginia. he has no skin in the game. it might hurt the party but it will help hillary clinton in virginia. there is no question. >> we're assuming that most convicted felons vote democrat. i think it's a fair assumption. daniel pal per, great to see you this morning. you are awake for this early. thank you. >> have a great day. >> thank you. coming up, shocking violence in schools on the rise with videos like this one making headlines all the time. one school system's solution replace suspensions with counseling. is that a good idea? good idea? will it not fix the problem? former nypd detective bow deettle debate it next. democratic candidates like you have never heard them before. >> this guy is a balding
dude. >> wow. >> he is balding. he is always balding. and he pinched my little feet because i saw him in his porsche. >> the debate you may never have seen before because it didn't actually take place. we'll show it to you comingazin up. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there is only one place where real and amazing live. seaworld. real. amazing ah, my poor mouth breather. allergies? stuffy nose? can't sleep? enough. take that. a breathe right nasal strip of course. imagine just put one on and pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than allergy medicine alone.
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quickly to the world of sports. let me tell you what is happening. impressive multitasking here. dad catching a homer with his bare hand and if that wasn't impressive enough. he caught it while holding his baby. >> high fly ball to left. and this one's gone. >> there you go. the baseball pitcher wellington casteel. the player who hit the homer. bucks one a final game 8 to 7.
is tiger woods close to a come back when search saying he is done and through. tiger comes out of nowhere healthy swings junior clinic in south carolina this woke. hasn't played competitive golf since having back surgery. speculation is growing that he will return for the player's championship next month. wouldn't it be great if he is ready to be great again. on a different note. we have all seen this disturbing video of teachers being attacked by students all across the country. what about younger kids who act out in class? what happens to them? st. louis the public school system will stop suspending students before the 3rd grade and instead place them in counseling. is this a good idea or enabling the problem? last year they suspended 30% of those kids. fox news medical a team analyst dr. keith ablow and bo dealings join us right now. his psychology degree came from the streets. first, dr. ablow. are you happy about this? is it a good move for st. louis? >> great move. i applaud it. listen, here's the thing. you don't fix things by just saying not our problem, go
home. you have got to fix these things by using counseling, time-honored techniques to reconnect these kids with their empathy, their feelings, their regard for other people. that's the gold standard. it works. it's my profession and i know how powerful it can be. >> bo, do you feel the same way that suspending a kid from school which has worked for generations is not necessary? >> well, you want to know something? there are kids in that classroom that go to school and want to learn. you have to do something about this. you have to remove them out of the class. but you put them in another class. you just don't suspend them from school. you have got to get to the root. because our kids are growing up right now and what they are looking at is all these rap guys. they look at all these drug dealers. look at how these things are highlighted. what we have to do is bring some people in there, successful african-american businessmen to show them there is another way. education is important. and you can do anything you want. i was a detective up in east harlem. all over this city and all
the minority areas. and you know what? if you are just going to throw them away. do you know where they go? go directly to committing crimes and jail. but we have to take them out of the class. my daughter is second grade school teacher, 3rd grade school teacher. you can't have this disruption for the kids that want to learn, otherwise, they are not going to learn. then when a teacher takes action now they are starting to call the teachers racist for removing them out of the classroom. that's ridiculous. i want these kids to learn. you can save these kids in that young age but you have got it teach them. you can't have them get in the way with all of, this otherwise you are disturbing the kids that want to learn. >> right, keith. do you think that's a pretty good point that okay, you have got to move them out of the class and get them in counseling but maybe not send them home and tell them not to come? >> listen, absolutely. this is about, by the way, kindergarten to second graders. we are not about -- we shouldn't be about to jetson them from the schools. certainly can have community mental health centers come into the schools, provide some training and counseling. bo knows the streets and
ablow knows the streets. we should be offering this as well to first time violent offenders to some drug convicts. the bottom line is we know that when you provide counseling and medication as needed, you drop recidivism through the floor. we got to get back to that not just cycling people through the system. >> i want to to think about this bo before you answer. could this also be a softening of ramifications for bad actions overall? we don't want to punish kids, we want to subtly tell them that they are doing wrong rather than directly tell them they're doing wrong? >> i don't want to believe that these young kids cannot be -- can change their attitude. change their attitude towards life. that they can be successful. the most important thing i think of being a former detective, you are able to change their life direction. you have got to have role models. damn it, because all they see is on tv this rap crap and they see this other stuff as far as the sports bars. that's one side of it there
are business people out there who are successful. bring them into the classroom and know you can succeed in anything. you have got it change their direction, otherwise they are all going to jail. >> keith, final thought? >> brian, we all know this, right? what would we want for our own son or our own daughter. would we want the kid sent home or later on in life jailed for 90 days no counseling, no nothing. we all know what we would provide as parents. we would provide counseling. turn you around if we are good parents. you know what? schools can act in some way to replicate some of the good parenting that we need by listening. >> i don't want to sound like a flower child but these kids need help. and you know what? we have got to help them. try to get them. >> we know keith ablow that he is like a flower child bo dealings. very similar. >> ablow and bo, i'm waiting for the show. >> take that aidala. he goes and gets married and gets a better partner and has more hair.
>> that's a good one, roger. >> thanks a lot. hey, guys have a great weekend. >> take it easy. >> how do you get one-on-one with the president of the united states? google it. the secret meetings between the white house and the search giant next. and a middle school choir performing the national anthem at the 9/11 memorial. it's pretty nice, right? ♪ the bombs bursting -- >> i'm sorry. >> why were they ordered to cease and desist? thanks, guys. ♪ bright stars ♪ through the perilous fight ♪ a great part of using the usaa car buying service was seeing the different discounts. it had like a manufacturer discount, it had a usaa member discount. all of them were already built in to the low price. i know that i got a better deal than i would have on my own.
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check this out, all right. this guy is a balding dude. >> wow. >> he is balding. always balding. he pinched my little feet because i saw him in his porsche. >> senator sanders she is saying you pinched her. is that right? >> jumping the ball -- oh, huh? [burp] >> they go viral every time they do it to everybody. the latest debate gets the bad lip reading treatment. the hilarious video 2 million views in just two >> that was the cnn debate. not a lot of people saw it. >> wasn't nearly as popular
as the others. >> >> no at least they are debating on the left. i would like to is he a republican debate again. that's what ted cruz. i think he is 100 percent right. >> you do? i love the debates. >> would you like to see another debate. >> i do. republican one, absolutely. i thought you were asking me if i wanted to watch cnn and you were putting me in a funny corner. >> i will watch the debate anywhere. i think it's about time. >> all right. other news 35 minutes after the hour. police are questioning a person of interest who may be involved in a string of brutal members. eight family members including 16-year-old boy shot in the head execution style in four different homes. police in pike county say while they were questioning a person there still be more than one killer involved. at least two babies and one toddler survived the incident. the youngest baby though only four days old was found in bed next to her mother's body. and it's not just illegal immigrants from south america and mexico. the border patrol has to worry about. now it appears isis is trying to cross through our
southern border. ollie omar an american accused of trying to join the taste group says he wanted to open up smuggling route from syria through mexico into the united states. he would then tell isis how he did it so his fighters could use that same route to get in the united states to carry out terrorist attacks. and goolg has been hanging out at the white house a lot. new data shows data elm company employees have been to four meetings at the white house since obama took office. average of more than one meeting a week. his support for federal communication commission plan which some telecommunication executives have blasted as a google proposal. after leonardo decaprio takes his climate change crew aid -- crusade to the u.s. he complard it to slavery saying most pressing issue of our time. >> our climate cannot be saved unless we leave fossil fuels in the ground where
they belong. you are the last best hope of earth. we ask you to protect it or we and all living things we cherish are history. thank you very much. >> more than 170 countries signed a landmark agreement if you will remember to fight climate change. decaprio says it means nothing if they don't act now. then brian where did he go? >> on his private jet to a deserted island where he has a yacht. >> because it matters but not that much. >> his carbon footprint. >> he was good on silver spoons. >> middle school choir cut short performing the national anthem at new york city 9/11 memorial. listen. ♪ and the rockets red glare ♪ the bombs bursting -- >> security guards ordering the north carolina students to stop singing. >> oh my goodness. >> memorial rules say groups need permits to perform at the site. the students did not have one. >> okay. >> let's bend the rules. >> did they go to jail for
singing without a permit? >> government didn't approve that singing. >> i think they need counseling. >> frankly inappropriate. >> absolutely. you could use a little bit of common sense and say they are singing a song that's a tribute. >> brian, again, those are the rules, okay. >> how much change. >> a lot of change. >> i'm look scrooge mcduck. >> all right. let's talk about picnics. trying to pack the perfect one and rick has our special guest, erika. >> yes, we do. national picnic day perfect in the spring and want to be outside and good weekend for it we had to move inside because of the rain. one thing you have to do. >> that's okay. >> major meal earlier but now it's desert so we have chef erika white. culinary director at rose mary and vine. have you amazing deserts. >> we do. it's really great. like a hand held easy kind of desert to make for a picnic. >> anna, totally. so it's like a pan held really easy portable kind of desert. this is philo dough.
comes in a box, easy to work with lay outer a sheet. brush it this is grape seed oil and papal syrup. butter, some kind of fat. fold it in half like that. brush it -- you want to do the brushing? >> yeah. >> there you go. >> feel free to eat. >> are you guys hungry? >> yeah. >> you are really patient and quiet sitting down there because it's 7:00 in the morning and you are asleep. >> i had to hold them off in the hallway because i saw them trying to steal stuff out there. just a quarter of a banana and down there chocolate, like little coins. which can hat coins. >> did you make those? >> pocket instead or buy them like that. you buy them like that right? and super easy. you just photo like. this like rolling a burrito. just like a burrito, a little more glue and we roll it up lick that. brush the top a little bit more and bake them and you get these. >> oh, wow. >> yeah. >> who wants to try this? >> they were in the rain.
and you can slice it up like that, too. and do hors d'oeuvres style. help yourself. >> what are the things you have there. >> these are the things from rose marry and vine on the consulting chef. house signature desert. lemon olive oil rose marry rosemary fay grant. bittersweet chocolate pudding which we actually make with coconut milk. for picnic you put it in jars super cute. no garbage. >> we have on "fox & friends." ready to eat. >> we are ready. >> make you wait another 30 seconds. >> picnic time. >> coming up on the program 20 minutes before the top of the hour. federal regulators are proposing tougher rules on wall street bonuses. is this just punishing people's success? fox business network gerri willis weighs in. she has a new book out. she is coming up.
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quick headlines marijuana could be helped vets with ptsd. 76 vets will take part in that study. wasn't marriage supposed to be good for your health? new study shows women become less stressed after their husband dies. oh my goodness. who wrote this? the same study showed the opposite for men who are believed to become overreliant on their partners. i hope my wife didn't write. this and no more nitpicking. i'm just kidding. i'm a newlywed. i can't say that 44 minutes after the hour. worry on wall street after federal regulators proposed
new rules that would force big bank executives to wait four years before they receive their full bonuses. all this in hopes of incentive for risky trades with investor funds. what kind of impact will all of this have? here now to react is fox business network anchor and the author of the new book "rich is not a four-letter word" gerri willis. thank you for waking up early on a saturday. >> this new rule you have got to hear this is going to cause people to leave wall street big fortune 500 companies in new york. big banks and financial companies and go work at hedge funds. go work in silicon valley because they will not be able to get access to their money right await a minute wait a long time. and then on top of that there are claw back provisions which means if they do something that doesn't work out, they can take the money back from these executives. a chilling effect on wall street. more of the shaming and blaming we have seen. >> we have. what's the effect on the average american? why should they care about it? >> well, i think it's one of
the things that has been done in washington that is hurting americans' wallets overall. it's penalizing the financial sector. one thing a lot of people don't know, if you look at the top mortgage underwriters none of the big banks are on it. none of them. fewer options and choices for americans out there. of course what my book is about how you get around this corner. how do you beat back and fight back and become a financial success because, in my view, being a financial success is a good thing, not a bad thing. you know, we are so used to hearing about the 1% and how bad that is having money. i don't think so. if you want to be wealthy and send your kids to college, want to live in a nice neighborhood, have a nice house, work hard and get ahead. >> that's right. >> that's the goal. >> bernie sanders though his message is really resonating attacking wall street. cozying up with wall street and release the transcript that she won't do. free stuff is he going to give away. >> incredible. >> what can adults do for heir kids. they want them to go to
college and be able to pay for it themselves. >> all right. free college is a nonstarter. it's a bad idea. the country can't afford it i don't want to pay for other people's college that i am not benefiting from, right? so, here what you want do, right? phil understand 39 kids go to school this year will be freshman will not graduate in four years. so you need to tell little johny or joanna, hey, you have got to be done in four years. i'm not paying the extra 30,000, 40,000, 50,000. negotiate tuition. >> you can do that. >> admissions is the secret of admission officers. you know, those published numbers. they are a suggestion. they are a sticker price. they are not what you have to pay. and finally understand how much overall debt you should have. have no more than your child is going to earn in their first year on the job. so, when you are graduating, you know, mom and dad and you have already paid a bunch of money. but the debt you should have when you get that diploma should be no more than what you will earn in that first year. >> 20 seconds to pitch your book. >> well, that's what i have been doing. you will get this advice and
more in the book "rich is not a 4-letter word. i'm talking about how to get ahead: reducing college debt and medical debt. a lot of people out there really struggling with the rates for 10 years. big worry for people in that age category. i have solutions. get the book. >> rich is not a four-letter word. all right. gerri willis. thank you so much. good energy today. thank you. >> thank you. >> here is what is coming up on the program. speaking of wall street. you know, rock stars have riders a list of things they are required to perform. did you know hillary clinton had one, too for speeches with corporations? we will tell you about her demands next. marshall art moves anyone can do to fend off even the strongest attackers ♪ ♪ ♪ she looked at me with her big brown eyes and said ♪ you ain't seen nothing yet seen nothing, nothing yet. ♪ here's something that
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hey everybody. it is 8 minutes before the top of the hour. he's been practicing martial arts since he was 6 and now he has three minutes to get his black belt. >> joining us now with self defense moves you need to protect yourself without a weapon. krav ma ga. i'm pronouncing it correctly. >> yes, sir. >> and brutally effective. >> how do you protect yourself from behind. >> behind, it's no problem. >> woe. >> okay. now teach me how do that. >> okay. good. -- >> like the? >> gonna bring them back. and i gonna call them straight
down. and. >> let me see you do that. and pull back. and grab my thumbs. and. >> there you go. >> pull. good. now you have to turn and start attacking me. most important part you have to remember is you have to attack your attacker. you have to attack your attacker. >> it is not a gentlemenly form of self defense. >> no it's not. >> it's about the cross-chetcha >> sure. the it's about the side somebody comes up and. >> is that what we. >> all right i'm going to choke you from the side. use this hand. and grab my thumb and pull. just one hand and pull it. >> pull it that way? >> and i knee you in the groin. point to me is just respond with overwhelming aggression. >> exactly. >> instead of just don't hit me
in the face. that's not a good thing. >> third standard attack. >> we have lots of different attacks. what would you like to learn? >> demonstrate. >> let's do a rotational defense. you're standing here, i'm going push you back. >> wow. >> how good you look. >> i'm going to grab you. and spin you backwards. and arms up to the ceiling. turn, rotate. now bring your elbow now. and take this hand and hit. yes. and more. and more strikes and more strikes. >> i'm going to out point him. [ laughter ] >> before we even get in this situation though, we really ought to make sure there is nothing around us and. >> absolutely. situational awareness is what we call it. always being aware of what is going on around you you. don't want to have your head in your cell phone. you don't want to walk into a
building and not know where the exits are. >> what if i grab your arm. >> you should come right in and start triking immediately. anybody grabbing you and immediately pulling you towards them is not a good person. you should immediately start to strike them. >> what have you learned about yourself in doing this? >> it's better to be safe than sorry. so i want to be prepare myself got forbid one of these situations ever occurred. so i will be prepared. >> do you also learn that being you guys have become very skilled that you could really do some damage to somebody, not to unless you are attacked? >> basically the entire point of the program is to learn when to use and it when not to use it. and also how to defend yourself. it is a great way i specially with great instructors that we have. >> what is your name. >> i'm nicholas. >> nicholas, tell me what you get out of this? >> umm. >> what do you like about it? >> i learn how to defend myself.
>> right. >> and when someone's choking me, like whenever i'm walking, i can get away. >> quickly, right? >> yes. >> use the lethal weapon. all right. guys, thanks so much for coming down. >> four minutes before the top of the hours. here is what's coming up on the program. the veep stakes begin. the candidates put together their short list of running mate, including hillary clinton. we weigh in on that this morning. nothing unleashes power... quite like the human foot. introducing the 241 horsepower lexus is 200 turbo. with almost twenty percent more base horsepower. once driven, there's no going back.
and democrats cheered when hillary clinton laughed off the request to release her wall street speeches. >> look i made speeches to lots of groups. i told them what i thought. i asked them questions. >> but did you have to be paid $675,000. >> well i don't know. that's what they offered. >> turns out that is not what they offered. >> and a shocking new video shows a chiropractor adjusting a newborn baby's back as the parents look on. >> i have to extend her a little bit to get it in the right place. that's why it clicks. [ crying ] >> chiropractors say it is
perfectly fine. are they indeed right. . >> hey everybody. brian's in the house today. >> i had no idea this was four hours. >> you took a private plane here from long island. >> right. silver. silver plane just to make everybody happy. >> but you have to bring extra snacks because it is four hours instead of three. >> good news. dayna is being cued i. >> we have a "fox news" alert. police are questioning a person of interest who may be involved in a string of brutal murders. eight family member, including a 16-year-old shot in the head execution style. while they are questioning this person there is still a possibility there may be more than one killer involved. at least two babies and one
toddler survived the accident. in t in the. and the body of music legend prince is back with his family this morning. autopsy is complete but it could take weeks before we know the exact cause of death. >> no obvious signs on the body at all. >> we have no reason to believe this was the suicide. >> prince was found dead on wednesday. fans gathering to pay respects. reports he may have overdosed days before his death on pain pills. a full toxicology scan will likely take several weeks. and president obama speaking in london, warned of economic fall out if voters choose to leave. >> part of being friends is to be honest. and to let you know what i think. and speaking honestly, the outcome of that decision is a matter of deep interest to the
united states. because it effects our prospects as well. >> it wasn't all business. take a look at this. prince george got to stay up late past bedtime to meet the first couple. he thanked the obamas for the rocking horse they gave him when he was born. all right brian. the standoff is finally over. kelly ripa is returning to her show. it's called "live" on tuesday. moments ago the press broke this story. they are very worried about her fearing she could come back and go rogue and quote pull an ann curry on live tv and maybe expose something they don't want to expose. and after co-host michael strahan reported leaving her
show without giving notice. and another report they were only talking through intermediaries. >> wouldn't you always be worried about that with someone on live television who feels like they have been. >> it's a real threat. you could go rogue at any minute. have you ever -- >> no. i wouldn't. if i ever did that would be like the most -- first of all, our show isn't script. >> ever. >> that would be the most highly rated moment in fox history. >> but how do you work next to someone and never talk to them? >> i don't know. and what if the intermediary stops talking and it could have like layers and layers of intermediaries. >> talk to my agent. >> my agent. we have the same agent. >> so we have brand new polls we want to run by you. "fox news" polls. in indiana, trump 41, cruz 33.
16 for kasich. in california, 49 trump, 22 -- 20 for kasich, 22 for cruz. >> what stands out for you dayna. >> i would say ted cruz's team is probably happy with that number. and they are working it really hard. they have a few weeks. the contest is may 3rd. so two weeks to see if they can close that gap. the california numbers amazing for trump. the california republicans are thinking we're finally relevant in a primary. >> there's been a lot of talk about the contested convention and if somebody gets close. and not 1237. and reince priebus is saying once again if you don't hit that magic number you are not automatically the nominee. >> politics is a team sport and we can't win unless we rally around whoever becomes or nominee. the rules say you have have to
have 1237 delegates to be the nominee. we aren't going to hand the nomination to anyone with a plurality. no matter how close they get to 1237. you need a majority. and as the old phrase goes "close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades." >> does he mean this? do you think the gop is willing and planning to give the nomination to someone who didn't get the most votes if nobody gets the majority. >> the rules are 1237. and if you don't hit 1237 it will go to a second ballot. i don't think it's fair to anybody to change the rules at this point. public pressure is going to be intense. well what do you mean? if you get to 1237? you are not going to give it? there is another school of thought that says we played by the rules. you had to get to 1237 and if you didn't you had to have a delegate strategy. >> which one will carry the day?
>> i don't know. i admire him for saying there are rules and we're going to stick to them. and said whoever the nominee is going to be the republican party has to unite behind them. that is really reince's job. find the unite candidate. and if primaries can't get someone to 1237, that is what the conventions are for. i think it will be okay. >> i think the pressure mounts when or if trump gets to a thousand. if he gets over a thousand, with the way he's been on the stump now saying -- >> someone wants to facetime me? i didn't even know that was possible. >> someone who is not watching this show obviously. >> i'm already facetiming with america. isn't that enough?
>> -- what about the pressure from the other side of the people who say well, if you didn't get to 1237? they're close, then it's supposed to go to a second ballot. i think the best thing to do is follow the rules, as they are set. not change them because it gets close. >> the gloves off with the candidates for sure. they need to kiss and make up at the end. i think the ultimate unifier could be hillary clinton. she has laid out some vp picks she's reportedly considering anyway. tim cain, mark warner. senator brown of ohio. senator patrick of massachusetts. thomas perez and elizabeth warren. >> i don't believe any of this. i think her team is so manipulative. they don't want us to focus on the fact of the investigation over her head and she's so
unpopular and bernie sanders has been winning all of these contests. so what is the best way to get people to stap talk about these things? oh i've not vp choices. she's not going to choose elizabeth warren. she's going need her help but i don't think that's true. and here is my thought on the vice presidential choice. dick cheney brought three electoral votes from wyoming. that's not why she was chosen as vice president. around 1% of your votes will come because of your vice presidential choice. so it really doesn't matter. >> you can only screw it up. >> speaking of the rules, there is no rule against giving speeches to wall street for 250 grand a pop. but it is becoming increasingly
tough for hillary clinton to explain why she's not releasing the transcripts. will she be able to keep the position all the way through to november? >> i don't think she will be able to. now you actually have senator gillibrand of new york saying yeah i think there should probably be some transparency here. so that is not easy for her. i go back to back judgment and decision making from the beginning. she knew she was going to run for president. she didn't need the money. but she did the speeches anyway. and now she's paying the price. >> the other is her ap report. 85 to 90 of the last speeches she gave have links to lobbyist associations in front of her when she was secretary of state and in two thousand -- and she wants to run for president again. that's the perception.
that's the problem. >> you have the anti-establishment focus also on the democratic side, partly because of this behavior from both sides and she's going to pay a price for that. but ultimately are the demographics in her favor? yes. is her organization in much better shape than the republicans for a general election candidacy? absolutely. she'll weather the storm. i don't know what the wall street transcripts say. i don't think she says anything in there like don't worry, i'm not going to regulate the big banks. they are probably really boring speeches. >> her staff would take the cell phone from the people in the crowd the only person that has them. >> apparently she requested that the speeches will be recorded. >> whatever she said was trite. >> probably filled with cliches too. >> and she's not leaving. she's going to stay right here -- >> -- myself. >> -- never heard account of
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and it the name of the book is "and the good news is." we talked about this on radio a little bit. the one thing that stuck out with me especially with the president's final year is a story that you opened up. you called and said i can i put this story in. >> one of the most popular things in the story is what it was like to work with president bush behind the scenes. i knew of this story so i included it. and ed was being asked to come in and be the counselor to the president for the last 18 months. the president comes in and has this interview. and says ed, you are very good at communicating to the american people and that's one audience and that is very important. but there are some things you need to know. everyone listens to what i say. if they sense any weakness oi on my part they will be gone tomorrow the enemies sense any
weakness. or and there is another troop. and if they sense any weakness or provocation it will be bad for their morale. so at some point you may want me to say something very popular and sounds really good to the american public but you won't know that i know it is going to hurt the troops or hurt that you are morale and you need to know i will never do that. and that was it. and had a chance to work with ed gillespie and the president until the end of the administration. and i thought it was important that president bush have a chance to be known as the person not just for his policies or politics. and that is one of the reasons i wrote the book and added these stories. >> the president comes out with
a huge story in atlantic and his views. in it he mocks some people for what he did and i'm thinking that goes directly against what the president you worked for knew because our enemies see us as week in cuba and iran by not giving and they don't give a description to the atlantic but they see everything. >> so you have to think about all of your different audiences whenever you are speaking. >> and you wanted your readers to know what president bush was like with the troops. >> true. and also another great story in there about chad pfeifer. he's the first wounded warrior to play on the web.com tour which i understand is right before the pro tour. >> right before the pga tour. >> and this was a double amputee. never played golf before he was injured in iraq. comes back a young man also injured says do you want to go
on this golf thing with us today? and he said oh golf isn't a sport. but then he felt bad. the guy was trying. he went though on the excursion, hit his first ball and fell in love with the sport. got invited to play with the president twice. and chad pfeifer just captures the president's imagination. and he hit a hole in one and the president said do you want to come and play with the me at the president's cup. it was that the president treated him like a regular guy. the president is not afraid to just treat them as civilians when they come back and make the transition. so the good news is he comes back. he's now living in texas with his family. and he's going to be like the first pro golfer, wounded warrior. it is amazing. >> amazing. one of my girls, weirdly enough. playing golf in the winter and person walks up and spoke to
her, says you are not a very good golfer. and drives on. which i think is true. [ laughter ] >> and she wasn't hurt. >> she wasn't hurt. >> and good news is she's got a long day today. >> on the five. we're going to be there. all of us. >> 20 minutes after the hour, coming up. this video is shocking. a chiropractor cracking the back of a four day old baby. >> have to unfortunately extend her just a little bit to get it in the right place. that's why the click. >> the video posted online is sparking outrage. our next guest will join us live to explain. >> and what a grab. nabbing a home run ball wild holding a baby in his arms. my school reunion's coming fast.
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it happened in 2015 in january but the video just surfaced online. >> and more shocking video. this showing a chiropractor cracking a newborn baby's back as the parent's look on. >> have to unfortunately just extend it a little bit to get it in the right place. [ cracking ] >> that's why you have -- >> this baby was only four days only. earlier we spoke with a florida chiropractor who said it is not as dangerous as it may sound. >> the noise you hear is gas being released in a joint. it's a fairly normal thing. you hear it when you crack your knuckles, things like that. you are not cracking the back per se. what you are doing is creating motion where there is decreased motion. truthfully the adjustment does work. it works really well with calming babies and i think because you are effecting and
calming nerves in the spine that are changing the -- >> he would have done a softer adjustment he did say. >> we know colic has been around many thousands of years and in fact the father of medicine first described it and we know this effects a lot of children but despite it effecting so many children it is extremely common. many studies have looked at the cause of colic. and colic means intestine in greek. but it is not actually related to the intestine. and problem we still don't know what causes colic. we know it is very distressing for baby and for parent to. >> cry all day. >> typically colic effects children later in the day. more than three hours of crying a day for three days a week. the rule of threes. it lasts for three weeks. but there is a time period it typically effects its children.
between the age of two weeks and four months. so children grow out of it. we must remember this does not have a medical cause. children grow out of it. it is self limiting. but it is very distressing. when the child has colic. they get very red in the face. piercing, uncontrollable screaming. looking flushed andage tailli a. >> do you have -- >> we have to understand what is the concern in the mid calratur. and there are lots of studies and it is not being shown to be more effective. that is the first issue. there is no evidence that this is feffective treatment for colic. and many babies with i know will grow out of it spontaneously. the other issue, regardless of
effectiveness, is this dangerous? studies have shown it is not as harmful as it may look. so really serious harm is not being shown. but really the first question is is it effective? should we be doing it? and the problem for parents to reassure the parents the baby needs to be shrewd excluded by pediatrician. other issues like fever, not maintaining weight or other issues. not colic. >> how will a parent know what an effective treatment is? >> the first thing you need to do is the child needs to be evaluated by the pediatrician to exclude serious causes. the nature of the colic is quite typical with the symptoms and signs we've already discussed. but you do need to talk to your pediatrician. they will take a history, examine the child. once they have done a thorough examination of the child they
can reassure the parents that this is not going to have i long-term effects. >> would you do it for your kid? >> i would not. >> okay. >> i would not. >> -- >> don't throw the baby out with the bath water. >> okay. >> thank you, doctor. crossing the border into the u.s. is easier than ever. and isis has taken note of this. poor mouth breather.
breathe right. welcome back. 33 minutes after hour. could isis get into the united states as easy as this? now it appears isis is also trying to cross our border through our southern border. take look at this guy. this guy accused of trying to join the terrorist group. and he says he wanted to open up a smuggling route through syria through mexico and the united states. and then he said he'd tell isis how he did it for its fighters
to carry out terrorist attack. and. and a father facing charges after leaving his newborn son in a car all while donating plaza. you are watching an officer's body cam capture the moment they free the baby. that is when the father reportedly comes running out still attached to an iv. the newborn was alone for over an hour. the baby rushed to the hospital is said to be doing okay this morning. curt schilling already lost his job but he isn't done suppressing his -- expressing his views. schilling was fired earlier this week for posting this picture mocking the trans gender bathroom debate. and he may know her from
jersey bell but she has a new role as self proclaimed meanst mom ever. her facebook post about taking away her kids ice cream going viral. >> i felt great about what i did. and i would do it again. i just will not have children who move through the world not seeing people. >> jamie says her kids were disappointed to lose their ice cream but understand where she is coming from. and this topic got a lot of you talking this morning. facebook says good parenting. if more did this we wouldn't have the disrespectful young adults with such huge sense of entitlement. >> does she throw her kids'
breakfast and lunches out as well. >> and what a great job. teaching manners at that young age will serve them well the rest of their lives. it is national picnic day. and we're not going to ignore that here. >> all the things you need to pack. >> you have some good stuff here for us. >> i want to start with the perfect picnic basket. everything wants something cute but also functional. this is from outdoor oasis. you can actually get this at jk pe jc penney. it's on sale right now. you want to get this while you can. >> flat ware for two. >> you can of course add more
things as needed. and an alternative, do you remember the days when we had like bulky coolers and ice packs. >> that's changed? >> it has changed. because basket is a company that has come one the a picnic tote that's freezable. and a cooler that's freezable. and pop this in the freezer overnight and in the morning it is a cooler that is going to stay cold for 10 hours. very cool. >> so all your mayonnaise products are totally fine. >> all the products. the juices, the beverages, the beers. it is such a lightweight alternative to those bulky containers. >> and what you need. >> >> i offered tucker 20 bucks if he would wear this -- >> i have one at home but i'm
not comfortable. >> and this is a new innovation from and a head wrap. outdoors, this blocks out the sun and protects you from uv, uva. >> go for it rick. >> i like the white one on you. >> and finally. there we go. >> this is bug guard. no don't spray it. >> how does it taste? >> it's deet free and has no scent and repels mosquito, deer tick, you name it. >> what's the perfect picnic without games to play? >> picnic is a great way to get the whole family together. unplug, get outside and play. >> we want something new and innovative like the easy grip football. >> nothing more classic like a game of catch. but these have this great
webbing on them. so it makes it easy for even the youngest kids to catch. >> jim even you could grip it. >> want to catch it? >> they will bounce on grass, sand, water. concrete. you can take it anywhere. and once you have mastered this you can move on to pop fly which is a really fun game for two or four kids. you toss the bean bag onto the lever. and a ball will pop up. and you got to try and catch i it. >> who want to catch it? >> whoever catches the most balls wins. >> there you go. >> almost. there's one more. oh there you go. >> and then a bubble machine? >> yep. >> there is no soap here. these are bubbles of candy. cherry flavor in there.
so try and catch them in your mouth. they taste good right? yeah. how much fun is that? >> all right. pay attention. short attention span theater over here. so there were actually official sacks. there was a time in official history we used potato sacks. but now some have handles. hold up to 85 pounds. >> nothing more classic than a potato sack race. >> i miss all those people.
>> they have a great pocket on the front so you go. put something in the pocket and then come back. >> and the sky ball? >> they can bounce up to 85 feet in the air. you can play hand ball, and sky bouncers. they can be tossed like a frisbee. they bounce in crazy directions. >> guys you have a good time? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> whatever you can grab in your pockets you can take home. go ahead. who wants the microphone -- >> downhill pretty quick when a photo on turned into a photo oomph. mistakes from the past. ♪
having a man like mike dukakis in a tank -- >> ground emergency warning system against nuclear attack. he even criticized grenada and our strike on libya. and now he wants to be our commander in chief. don't take risk. >> it was a long-standing idea. the polls that summer were bad for dukakis. he wasn't showing gravitas as potential commander in chief. so they said let's get him to michigan, sterling height, reagan democrat country. and my man spent several days at the facility with him. figured out all of the choreography of putting him in
the tank. he had great misgivings. told people back in boston this whole event sucks. nevertheless they went with it. they went trying well can he not put on the helmet. the helmet went on at the last minute. and five weeks later made that ad. >> so it was not the advance man's fault. it was the candidate's fault. al gore the flood gate. remind us. >> the nation is mourning. gore wants to get an early start on campaigning. goes to new hampshire, he and her paddling down the river. and there is a dam upstream called the wilder dam. and they release water every day
if they changed the timing the river would rise 12 inches. so they said well this is great. gore won't get stuck. he won't run aground. but bill salmon found a commissioner along the river and said, you know, they won't even do this to help us fish on this river but they do it for a presidential candidate. and for a week all they could talk was about food gate. >> i remember so rel. and this john kerry wind surfing. how did this happen? >> the republicans convened for the republican national convention that weekend. kerry was relaxing in his nantucket compound and said i have a new wind surfer i want to try out. and he thinks he's in a private cove but the pool says, you know, there is no privacy on the
waters of cape cod bay. so they get these pictureses. meanwhile mark mckinnon is here in new york and he says this fits perfectly with that back in west virginia when he i voted before the war before i voted against it. that's a flip-flop moment. and so when you contort this video and the left and right with the wind and the he gets in the studio, puts the ad together applies the music of the blue danube waltz and suddenly you have wind surfing off of iraq. >> and he's a great wind surfer too actually. didn't get credit for it. the book is off script," and it's awesome. can't decide what to get your mom for mother's day?
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coastal city of sinpo, home to north korea's submarine base, u.s. pacific command saying it was a failure, almost immediately after launch. and what i have experienced in the past when i'm inside this count country, it's never reported in the state-controlled media. of course a successful launch would be a lead story with pictures of the north korean leader overseeing the event. given that this appears to be -- this test appears to be a failure, probably most north koreans, the vast majority, will never know that it happened, ana. >> and, will, explain the difference between this failed launch and an actual nuclear test. >> reporter: so north korea has conducted a number of missile launches since the beginning of last year, three dozen missile tests. it's fairly easy for north korea to fire these. they probably don't have a warhead inside the trajectory, has them falling in the waters off the korean peninsula. there was a simultaneous missile
launch last month where three missiles landed within 200 nautical miles of the coast prompting a coastal village to do north korean missile drills for the first time they've had mi missile drills since world war ii. so certainly troubling for the citize citizens? gentlem in japan. there's a lot of people looking at the radar to monitor these missile launches. nuclear tests are different. these are conducted at an underground nuclear test site. they dig these tunnels deep into the mountains and they can withstand a nuclear explosion. we've seen the size of north korea's nuclear explosions according to analysts looking at things like seismic activity because these create an artificial earthquake essentially. the explosions are getting bigger. north korea is trying to develop a larger nuclear weapon. when the tests happen, the u.s. and south korea and china will send up sniffer planes and they'll put out radiation
detection equipment to try to see if radiation has seeped into the outside environment. in previous tests they have been contained to that tunnel area. the north koreans looked closely at what president trump did when he dropped that moab, the mother of all bombs on the tunnels in afghanistan because in some quarters here it was perceived possibly as a threat that the u.s. may try to drop a similar bomb on underground tunnels in north korea. they wonder would the u.s. actually try to attack their nuclear test site, is that one of the strategic targets that could come into play? this really is -- things are always it tense on the korean peninsula. this is the most tense that i've ever experienced in 11 trips to this country. and we really don't know how the trump administration will respond and what kim jong-un is going to do. >> we do know that the president of the u.s., president trump, has been briefed on this latest missile launch that failed, and
we he are expecting a statement from the white house any moment. as soon as we have that, of course, we will bring that to our viewers here. in the meantime vice president mike pence is en route right now to seoul, south korea. he's expected to land there in a few hours. paul his there. how are they responding to this new development? >> we know there's going to be a national security council meeting in it a little less than half an hour. this is a meeting where all the top leaders of the country will be trying to figure out what kind of response they can give to north korea. clearly they've had a lot of experience and practice of this. it's very difficult to see what kind of different statement we will see. they always say in the past they have a readiness posture. they say they will strongly respond if this continues but, of course, it's very difficult to see what they can do beyond that and, of course, keep in mind there is political stalemate in this country at this point. there isn't a full president.
there's jups an acting president as the previous one has been imprisoned on a corruption scandal this is a very tricky situation that the vice president pence is arriving in. the fact that the people he will be meeting, the acting president, won't even be in power in a few weeks' time. but certainly what the south koreans want at this point is guarantees, continued guarantees that we saw from the secretary of state, from the defense secretary in recent weeks, that the united states is going to stick by south korea. ana? >> paula hancocks and will ripley reporting from both south korea and north korea. we appreciate it. stay with us. back here in the u.s. the threat posed by north korea still looms over the trump white house. i want to bring in my panel now. cnn military analyst and retired l lieutenant general, cnn intelligence and security analyst and form earp cia operative, and from the world
policy institute jonathan crystal. jonathan, somebody asked president trump if the massive bombing in afghanistan that will ripley referred to this week was a message to north korea. we heard will say some of the people in north korea certainly thought it was a message to them. well, this was the president of the u.s.'s answer. >> will this send a message to north korea? >> i don't know if it sends a message t. doesn't make any difference if it does or not. north korea is a problem. the problem are be taken care of. >> so, jonathan, what was your reaction when you heard that? >> i don't think it's news. dropping a bomb on a country that we have been bombing regularly going after terrorist groups and taliban fighters, the fact that it's a larger bomb i don't necessarily tie those two things together. now it could be that we're showing the north koreans what we have in terms of our armaments and what we're willing to use. just as they are doing.
north korea when they conduct missile tests, part of this is to show this is what we're able to do. we will be able to target bases nearby. we haven't seen evidence of that yet. that's the message they're trying to send when they assassinated kim jong-un's half-brother. a part of that was to show we have vx nerve gas and we're willing to use that. both sides have an interest in showing what they are capable of doing. and with the hope that it actually alleviates the tension and allows people to walk back. >> so, general hurtling, when we were hearing from will that these nuclear test sites are underground, it does make you think about why they use this moab, the mother of all bombs in afghanistan because there were caves and tunnels, could the u.s. military use that kind of weapon to attack the nuclear
sites in north korea? >> i'll push back a little bit on this, ana, and say they certainly could but it wouldn't be effective and it would not be the weapon that you would use to hit some of the tunnels and some of the complexes in north korea but there are other weapons systems the u.s. has that could certainly do that. this whole discussion of the m.o.a.b. has been interesting to me because i know why they use ed it in that particular area against that particular target and it was really coincidental that it occurred right at the same time this event was occurring in north korea and right after the missile strike in korea. it had no connection whatsoever. this was a tactical command earp's call on the ground. now that's the reality. the perception and the second and third order, if other countries believe that we would use weapons like this and certainly it does send a message but that was not the intent in this particular situation.
i'm sure of that. >> bob, could north korea launch some kind of a nuclear test now after this failed missile launch to save face? >> yes, i do, ana, and i think they will. as the president goes on about taking on north korea with or without the chinese, the north koreans, normal reaction will be to keep going and keep going stronger and we will continue launching nuclear weapons. our problem is, and i keep on going back to this is absence of intelligence. we do not have sources in north korea. it all has to be done remeetly from satellites. their army is quite remarkable. it can move divisions without us detecting them until the last minute. so whether they will or not is a supposition on all of our parts but my guess is as long as the rhetoric stays the way it is, they're going to set up a
nuclear test very soon. >> and i want to go back to will for that because i know, will, you have been there on the ground this past week, and you have witnessed and heard of other military movement from north korea. what do we know about the preparations that have been happening very recently leading up to a potential nuclear test? >> reporter: well, we are not allowed to get close to the nuclear test site but the satellite imagery from a couple days ago had showed vehicles, personnel, equipment at that nuclear test site leading people who have been observing this nuclear test site for quite some time to -- their analysis shows they believe it's primed and ready for a sixth nuclear test. as far as responding to actions by the united states, we heard some very strongly worded responses to the "uss carl
vincent," which isn't anything new. north korea has many times threatened a nuclear attack to rain fire on the united states and its allies. so that's not new. what is new there was a special forces operation that pyongyang conducted last week. it was the same day that we saw the images of the special forces were released on the same day we saw kim jong-un in person at the ribbon cutting of a new sky scrape earp he ordered built here in pyongyang at the moment we were attending this event with the north korean leader, their state media put out these images of kim jong-un overseeing xan dough commandos jumping out of a plane. when i was chatting with government officials at the military parade yesterday, i was told that special forces operation was in response to tweets from president trump about north korea and about china needing to solve the north
korean nuclear problem. those same officials also said that, frankly, they're not concerned about increased economic pressure from china. clearly chinese trade is helping this country in the capital city. we're not allowed to get outside of the capital. we don't know what life is like. clearly their living standard is lower but we don't know because we're not allowed to go there but chinese trade with north korea jumped up nearly 40% in the first quarter of 2017 and despite five nuclear tests china has been reluct aant to really expert a tremendous amount of economic pressure on this country because they don't want to see a destabilized regime, a humanitarian crisis of north koreans flooding across their border, but they also most certainly do not want to see any sort of military conflict between the united states and north korea. in the chinese view that would be catastrophic. >> let's go back through what we know of the last year or so. we know the last actual nuclear
test was in september of 2016. meantime this year there still has been a lot of activity of these missile launches that we've seen. in fact, this would be the fifth missile launch attempt just since february. and what we're learning about this latest missile launch that failed is the u.s. defense official now telling us that early indications is that this failed missile was not an intercontinental ballistic mi missile. general hertling, what's your take on that information? >> what we saw in the parade today, both the cia and the dia analyst, defense intelligence agencies, are looking at the films and the satellite imagery from the parade today. there were a couple of key items that occurred in the parade, one was a longer missile that went through the parade longer than the kno-8 and kno-14. it was brabd new. it was the first time they showed submarine launch ballistic missile.
that's important because it's showing that their missile program is growing. but if they wanted to literally show that they had a successful launch, what they're most concerned about is something called a cold launch. that's with solid fuel versus liquid fuel in the rocket. i don't mean to turn into a geek here but what it does, it allows the north koreans to pull a missile out and fire it immediately because it's been prefueled as opposed to taking a missile on the launch pad and then taking a lot of time to fuel it up. when that happens, it's not detected. they can also launch it out of a canister like a submarine so it will pop up and then the rockets ignite and then it goes on. that's the most important thing they're looking at now as well as connecting a weapons system to the missile which they have not done yet. i would guess -- my guess would be this was a short-range ballistic missile they fired out
at sinpo. >> we do know this was the same area they launched the last one that scud missile of some sort from the submarine zone there on the port city of sinpo. thank you so much for that analysis. everyone stay with me. we need to squeeze in another break. much more on our breaking news. north korea with a failed missile launch just hours before vice president mike pence is due to arrive in south korea. we will go live to mar-a-lago where the president has been briefed and also to china, a country with enormous influence on north korea. we'll have much more on this day ahead.
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to suzanne who is in florida with the president. we've learned the vice president was also briefed before he lands in south korea. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: we are getting a report from a senior administration official aboard air force two traveling with the vice president on his way to seoul, south korea. i want to read you what we have at this moment here that the vice president, mike pence, briefed on what the vice president's office called a failed missile launch from north korea, that pence was in contact with president trump, and that this was relaid to recorders aboard the plane, that pence was briefed on the situation in north korea within an hour of his departure from anchorage, alaska. air force two was flying.
expected to land, arrive about 3:30 p.m. local time or 2:30 eastern time. we know that when he does land on his agenda, ana, he'll be talking with the acting president of south korea about the situation. as you know the president he briefed and informed. we are expecting a paper statement from the president himself on this. also to let you know had is something that they were preparing for at mar-a-lago, certainly expecting much more. not a failed test but a sixth nuclear test that did not happen but the deputy traveling with the president here in florida who has been briefing him. this is not a nuclear test. officials are saying it's still possible. that could happen at any moment.
to beijing. matt rivers is there with us. matt, china, of course, is a key player in all of this. a key ally to north korea. what are chinese officials saying about these developments in north korea? >> no official response as of yet from beijing but government officials here are very consistent in their positions. what will happen later on today the chinese will come out and ask all relevant sides to refrain from provocative actions. they say they are in clear violation of u.n. security council resolutions levied against north korea in the past. but what the chinese want to happen here is what they're calling a grand bargain. between kim jong-un and donald trump. to create lasting peace would be
to go back and so far that has not been the track the trump administration wants to take. they say that china wants to use economic leverage, to get kim jong-un to stop developing the weapons. >> now president trump tweet this had on thursday. he said i have great confidence that china will properly deal with north korea if they are unable to do so. the u.s. with its allies will. so how is that sentiment being received, matt? >> when trump tweets, they rarely take the bait. the trump administration has
taken a 180 on china when it comes to the way they're reacting where he praised xi jinping profusely and pointed to the fact the chinese stopped importing coal as a sign china is working hard to solve the problem. they stopped importing north korean coal. that's how they bring currency into the country. on the flip side very shortly after that press conference
trade data show it was up nearly 40%. they're extending the line in pyongyang. in terms of how the chinese moves forward, they're not willing to cut off pyongyang entirely. >> is china providing some of the material? >> well, you have two different ways china is alleged to have been a part. because of that amount of trade they are providing hard currency and they do that in a number of different ways. they make sure they can operate.
north korean labor comes over here. there are thousands and thousands of north koreans that work in china every day. they buy things like seafood and other minerals. there is a way china is contributing to this. >> we appreciate you reporting from beijing. news on the expected u.s. response to this failed launch. you're live in the "cnn newsroom. " cash back cards make earning bonus cash back so complicated? they limit where you can earn bonus cash back to a few places... ...and those places keep changing every few months. the quicksilver card from capital one doesn't do any of that. with quicksilver you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere.
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mar-a-lago. what have you learned? >> reporter: it is a very brief statement i'm going to read to you this is from the secretary of defense coming through in our e-mails saying a statement by secretary of defense jim mattis on a north korea missile test. the president and his military team are aware of north korea's most recent unsuccessful missile launch. the president has no further comment. it is as simple as that, ana, very brief. we were told earlier cnn learned by a u.s. official it would be a very understated response, very intentional. not to give attention to north korea and that is the strategy, the tactic of the white house this evening. it has been looking to see whether or not north korea would, in fact, do anything on its national holiday. it was after that holiday this failed missile launch open kurd
and the white house has chosen to respond in a very low key manner. they do not want to give any kind of undo attention or credit to north korea. all of this, as you know, as the vice president is on his way to seoul, south korea, to meet with the leader there. ana? >> we are learning that south korea national security council will meet tomorrow to discuss where they go from here. suzanne malveaux reporting where the president is this evening, very understated response from the u.s. president. acknowledging this missile launch failed and really nothing beyond that. no further comment. i want to you bring in my panel, retired army lieutenant general mark hertling, a fellow, jonathan kristol and former state department official jamie me metzel.
it was medium range, officials are kind of on edge and they aren't sure where this is going to go next. they're tracking it with reconnaissance capabilities across the peninsula. you saw the release by pacific command immediately saying they tracked it. it was off the launch pad and then exploded thereafter. they will have aircraft and satellite overhead. they will be tracking from radar to ships at sea and will have intelligence sources watching this and the focus is certainly going to be on sinpo where the missiles are launched from. that's their test facility. that's where the nuclear test
could occur, where it's occurred in the past. all of those places are being watched. as you know they have the ships across the sea he, all the patriot missiles are alert in south korea, the carrier task force are ready to shoot anything down that threatens japan or south korea. there is a readiness factor. what i found interesting the statement that suzanne just read came from the secretary of defense and not the president's office. that seemed odd to me. >> why is that? >> because the secretary of defense, rightfully so, will not comment on what comes next but if the president was informed you would think the presidential spokesman would say something as opposed to the secretary of defense. that's just the way in the past it's been done. president trump has changed his protocol on this, i assume. >> jamie, welcome to our
conversation as we are continuing to dissect and figure out what's going to happen in north korea especially how the u.s. might respond. what do you make of this response. let me read it to you one more time. the president and his military team are aware of north korea's most recent unsuccessful missile launch. the president has no further comment. the statement coming from the defense secretary james mattis. >> it's very interesting. president trump put a lot of fre pressure on the north koreans and the chinese put pressure on the north koreans. the north koreans had three options. it was the goldilocks options. they could go big, a nuclear test. this he could go middle which would be some kind of pre-icbm or something moving to the development of an icbm. and then they could do the minimal, the smallest. if north korea, this was all of this hype and pressure and north korea didn't do anything, then on monday everybody would be saying president trump won. he put all of this frepressure
the north koreans and they are very rational actors. this was as little as they could do to not create a bigger crisis. >> and yet trump is so unpredictable. you've written about this maneuvering between kim jong-un versus president trump, two people who both are somewhat unpredictable. how do you see this maneuvering taking shape as we get this statement. >> i think that as jamie was saying, kim jong-un has proven to be a rational actor and these continued tests also make sense. they are not random. they come at times of anniversaries and political events in the region such as trump meeting. >> and the japanese prorm was here. >> and they want to see what they can get away with. i would actually say that in some ways kim jong-un is
behaving as a more traditional leader than trump is. >> well, that's interesting. >> that is not a value judgment, obviously i'm not -- i do not favor kim jong-un in this, but he is limit testing and seeing what he can get away with because he has this new president who has said, you know, options one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten are on the table. he's not going to tell anybody. >> does that scare you a little bit, that unpredictability and that now kind of silence about what could come next? >> it makes me a little bit nervous but, you know, the actual guidance that he asked for from the pentagon which was just released i think within the last 24 hours basically says watch closely and wait. containment is not a radical difference from any of the policies of the past. and if trump devers to the defense department and to the
experts on this i could breathe a little bit easier. but if he leaves it to himself and thinks that kim is some like young kid who doesn't know what he's doing and is going bonkers, that would make me very nervous. >> and one thing that kim is actually calling president trump's bluff because the question for the north koreans is how much pressure are the chinese ultimately going to put on pyongyang? and the north koreans are betting there's a limit to how far china will go because, still, china values north korea as whatever it is, and there's no love lost between them. china would rather have even a hostile nuclear armed north korea on its border than a reunified north korea potentially to the united states. president trump has real limitations to what he can do and kim is calling that bluff in a very smart and strategic way. >> stay with me. we have to squeeze in a quick break.
we have been continuing to follow this news out of north kor korea. a missile that failed. it failed almost right after in the city of sinpo. a military parade, on a major holiday there celebrating the birth of the founding father in which they displayed all kinds of missiles or at least mock-ups of missiles including what they say is an intercontinental ballistic missile. we'll continue to follow this and be right back with more information. it's league night!? 'saved money on motorcycle insurance with geico! goin' up the country. bowl without me. frank.' i'm going to get nachos. snack bar's closed.
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read that to you. this is retired general james mattis saying, quote, the president and his military team are aware of north korea's most recent unsuccessful missile launch. the president has no further comment. and with me now from pyongyang cnn's will ripley and also alongside me here in new york, senior fellow and former state department official jamie metzel. to you first, will. you have been there to north korea 11 times. you spent the last week on the ground. you were there for the parade. since you are about 12 hours ahead eastern time in the u.s. give us a sense what the feeling is on the ground in north korea right now. >> reporter: there's a real sense of defiance after the north korean leader unveiled his growing missile arsenal.
we were speaking with people after the parade. asking them about the sixth nuclear test and that did not happen and what people did by showing the two never-before-seen intercontinental ballistic missiles was perhaps even more powerful because it was a way to show what they have in their s arsenal, missiles that could potentially deliver a nuclear warhead to the mainland u.s. we don't know how far along these missile mock-ups are. it's standard practice for countries to put mock-ups on s display. they wouldn't put the real thing in front of crowds of hundreds of people in close proximity to their -- all of their national leadership but they do say that they are in possession of viable weapons and that they continue to test and continue to develop. so the mood is defiance.
the mood is optimism that the united states were to take military action against north korea that they could respond in force and potentially, you know, use these weapons. >> so, jamie, i'm wondering for you when you look at what we see in that military parade and then we learn that they've done this launch of a missile that failed thankfully, why do you think they would have done a missile launch should they have had the capability of doing a nuclear test instead. >> because they were under a lot of pressure. president trump certainly has raised the temperature in the region. china has put a lot of frepress on north korea. and there was a risk. if they did take -- if they did have a nuclear test this time, they didn't know what was going to happen and there was additional variability. if they did nothing, the story on monday would have been -- >> that they did nothing. >> kim backs down and that would have weakened him. this was really the pour ij is just right kind of position by
the north koreans and that's why there's a whole lot of theater. will mentioned these missiles and nobody knows whether inside those canisters there are missiles or livestock or anything else, but this is all about theater and symbolism. it's bad for kim it didn't work. everybody is positioning and trying to figure out where they fit relative to china, the united states and the koreas. >> we know that vice president mike pence is on his way right now to south korea. this was a visit that had been planned well in advance of all the developments of the past week in terms of this heightened escalation of rhetoric between north korea and the u.s. if you were mike pence and heading to south korea now all that's happened in the last few hours, what is your priority when you're on the ground in south korea? >> the biggest thing is to reassure the south koreans the united states south core can alliance is strong. they recently impeached their president. they're a month away from their
elections and how the u.s. is handling north korea is a critical issue in those elections. this is a very, very complicated environment that vice president pence is stepping into. >> do you think it was odd that the president of the u.s. department come out and issue a statement himself? >> it was odd but everything is odd that this president does, and so we're certainly -- if there is a playbook, it's a different playbook than we've known or the world has known. and right now -- >> yet he hasn't withheld from tweeting. >> yeah, well, who knows what he was -- as a matter of fact in the car over here we were looking at his twitter and it was the wrong twitter, like a fake donald trump account talking about who would trust somebody who has a bad haircut. and we were thinking, did president trump really tweet that? we just don't know. in the world there's a level of insecurity about what donald trump could do and so we're seeing a little more caution from north korea. there's much greater level of variability in the world and that is very dangerous. >> right.
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troubling the region is not an issue of a contest between faith. >> this is not a battle between different faiths, different sects or different civilizations. this is a battle between barbaric criminals who seek to obliterate human ligfe and decet people, all in the name of religion. people that want to protect life and want to protect their religion. this is a battle between good and evil. >> reporter: but he also made the point that it was up to the countries in the middle east to take this into their own hands, to take the issues into their own hands, not to leave it to the united states to drive the terrorists from their places of worship, he said, to drive the terrorists from their lands. he said they needed to be honest in how they faced up to this issue of islamic extremism. >> of course, there is still
much work to be done. that means honestly confronting the crisis of islamic extremism and the islamists and islamic terror of all kinds. we must stop what they're doing to inspire because they do nothing to inspire but kill. >> reporter: there was no sign of dissent among the 55 presidents, prime ministers, amirs and kings gathered in the room. but at a late forum, the emirate foreign minister was critical of european nations saying they couldn't point the finger at the middle east and say the extremist problem is in the middle east, that they in europe have a problem that they need to deal with that problem, that if they don't deal with it, then there will be more extremists coming from europe than the middle east. very strong language. not saying that the united states was at fault, but pointing the finger at europe. this message, this idea that
president trump's visit could be an historic reset between the west and the arab muslim world, well, the emirate foreign minister appearing to undermine that. ana. >> nic robertson, thank you. inside arabia tonight. what is being described as a watergate scandal continues to bear down on the white house. we're learning the house intelligence committee has asked to interview caputo who has tie toss russia and who worked there a number of years. we want to bring in mike quigley, on the house intelligence committee. thank you for joining us, congressman. i know your committee asked to see special documents from caputo. why has he become part of your committee's investigation? >> well, i will say that there's a long list of who's on our witness list. i mean the good news is the investigation in the house side is back on track. tuesday director brennon will be
testifying before us. clear those hearings are beginning again. those references you made to particular individuals, there are a lot of others. we're preparing those deposition like briefings very soon. at the same time we continue to review documents on a weekly basis. i guess the good news is the investigation is back on track while we hear all ofne these prs release statements coming out about particular witnesses. we're going to move forward as a hole. >> now, a source close to jim acosta or close to the investigation tells jim acosta caputo wants to clear his name in public testimony. is the committee open to that? >> look, there have been any number of people who are involved in this investigation who have said that they're willing to come forward and clear their name. some have asked for immunity. you know, we have heard that general flynn has asked for
immunity. it is way too soon to think about something like that. we have a companion justice department investigation, a senate investigation taking place at the same time. you know, we have to work in concert with both of them as well as a dod investigation of general flynn apparently. we're hoping to open and close hearings. in my mind the more open this investigative process is, the better it is, the american public has a right to know what took place. under each circumstance it will be a little bit different. obviously we can't have confidential top secret information revealed. >> right. we know the tuesday hearing as far as my understanding of what's on the house intelligent website will be part open, part closed. you talked about jim brennon coming on. what do you want to ask him? >> you know, the big question would be when did the intelligence community find out exactly what the russians were
doing, particularly hacking, and how did they react? how quickly and effectively did they respond? another series of questions would obviously be, you know, what are the russian's goals? what are their tactics? where are they taking this tactics on across the world? what is their overall plan there and here in the united states? >> now, just this weekend we learned that president trump apparently bragged to the russians about firing former fbi director james comey, that comey believed the president was trying to influence him. what's your reaction to this new reporting? >> you know, what's disturbing about all of this is ever since the investigation began i felt like the white house was attempting to distract and deflect and delay the investigation. the revelations that have taken place in the last month are far more disturbing. they approach obstruction, you know, firing the person who's investigating you. threatening them with tweets,
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was named as would be one of tht books to explain trump's win. will his voters take note of his speech and his lack of using those three words today? >> i think it is difficult to generalize because there is not a single trump voter. there are many types of trump voters. the two broad buckets i would put some of the conversations i've had with some of the trump supporters in the past day or so is that, you know, there are folks who are certainly a little bothered maybe by some of the things that they're hearing, some folks who won't be especially happy he has discarded some of the tougher rhetoric during the campaign, but fundamentally they're going to stick with him. i think you have the core group of trump voters who because american politics is fundamentally an us versus them game, they're never going to abandon trump. that's probably, my guessst around, about 20 pearls of the electorate. those folks, while they may be a little unhappy with things trump does day-to-day, at a
impression that they're not getting a whole lot done. now, of course, it has only been 120 days so far, so that feeling hasn't really set in very deeply, but i do think that if a year from now we're looking back on the same basic arguments we've been having, the same twitter battles, the same investigation and no major pieces of legislation have been bass pass, there haven't been material improvements in some of the issues that drove people to vote for trump in the first place, i think that will cause some significant political problems for him down the road. >> j.d., we only have like 30 seconds, but when it comes to the russia investigation, which obviously the huge news back here at home, presume has called it a witch hunt. he's basically said it is a hoax in some ways. do his supporters care about getting to the bottom of russia's meddling in the election? >> well, some of them certainly do, and i think there are a lot of folks that are concerned about it though, like i said, no
current to the point they're ready to completely discard their man. but i will say that this implements something much more fundamental and troubling in our public discourse, is that people don't trust the media. a lot of times you hear folks who will be a little worried about what they're hearing coming out of the trump/russia investigation, but at the same time they'll say, look, we don't trust the press. that's something bigger than the republican party or donald trump, but it is difficult for us to have the conversation when we don't have shared facts and we can't have shared facts when we have at least some acceptance of who is giving us the facts. >> robert mueller facing criticism from an unlikely place. what the sports world has to say about the man leading the russia investigation. plus, startling video of a sea lion yanking a small girl into the water. what led up to this terrifying
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also know, who has a stellar reputation for no nonsense. >> now, contrast that with almost universal scepticism from the sports world. you see, mueller's last high-profile investigation was back in 2014, the case of nfl star ray rice, who knocked out his fiance in an elevator in atlantic city. the nfl, specifically commissioner roger goodell, came under intense scrutiny for only suspending rice for two games after the video of the incident was released. the leak claimed they had not seen that video, and robert mueller was hired by the nfl to investigate whether that was true. after four months mueller cleared goodell when he announced no one in the nfl had seen that assault video prior to it being public. many in the sports world questioned whether thhe was rewarded by the league that
hired you. you call mueller, quote, an institutionallist. explain. >> yes, i called him an institutionallist and someone who at least in the nfl case was more of a deodorizer than an exterminator, like somebody who was brought in by roger goodell and the national football league effectively to protect the institution of the national football league, brought in by roger goodell at a time when many columnists, many pundits were calling for roger goodell's job and got in there to say roger goodell did nothing wrong, although the nfl had problems with x, y and z. the other thing that mueller did with the nfl investigation was that he kept the focus extremely narrow on the question of did the nfl cover up the ray rice videotape and not the broader mandate a lot of people wanted him to look at, which is whether under roger goodell there were serial cover ups of violence against women.
there were a combined 13 games players were suspended for 55 instances. a lot of people thought, this is robert mueller, he will come in and look at this in the broadest possible scope. instead, it was about protecting the institution of the national football league, keeping it very narrow. now, i think the comparison to right now, which i think is very interesting, is because, yeah, robert mueller is an institutionallist, comes from the ivy league, comes in from the highest echelons to preserve institutions. it will be interesting to see if it bends toward protecting the basic trust people have in the executive branch. >> i'm trying to figure out where you think the motivation would be for him to try to push a person outcome. >> yeah, i mean honestly all i'm trying to do is read the tea leaves of what happened in the national football league and see
first tee gives if it gives us any clue as to his basic approach of what we'll see in this investigation. what do we know from looking at this national football league investigation? we know he came from a law firm that had tons of nfl executives that came from the lanranks of wilmer hail. we see one of the partners represents jared kushner and e ivanka trump. he has taken a leave from wilmer hale because of conflict of interest. >> don't you think it is vastly different this time? >> yes. he had a mandate to investigate the national football league and he played it very light. when it was done, all of the power players were still in play. he was not an exterminator, he was a deodorizer so the league could keep the trains running on time. what does it tell us if anything about how he will approach this investigation? i frankly don't have an answer to that question, but i think the reason why -- and i'm
certainly not alone in this -- a lot of folks in the sports world were far more skeptical he would come in and be the cleanup man on this particular case, because we saw what happened with the national football league. for a lot of us, it is like that's our first exposure to robert mueller, so wire 'likhatg to change with this guy. >> still to come, the president may have some explaining to do it. is headed to israel in a few hours. there's a good chance you will be asked about intel he reportedly leaked to the russians. next, prime minister netanyahu's message prior to his arrival. 4g lte network in america. it's basically made for places like this. honey, what if it was just us out here? right. so, i ordered you a car. thank you. you don't want to be out here at night 'cause of the, uh, coyotes. ok, thanks, bud. bye.
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classified intelligence during this meeting with russian officials inside the oval office. this intelligence apparently came from israel and it was so sensitive it hadn't even been shared with some of our other allies. joining us to talk about what could be a tight walk rope of diplomacy, cnn political commentator peter binart. is this something mr. benjamin netanyahu would want to address with president trump? >> i doubt it. i think there's a lot of concern among israeli intelligence officials but netanyahu wants to get along with trump. trump offers the same thing as he is offering the saudis, first of all a hard line giagainst ir which is what israeli wants. if benjamin netanyahu gets those two things he will leave the intelligence people to deal with it privately in terms of future interactions with their american counterpart and make it all smiles with trump. >> he had a message for the president, and he put it on
twitter, one of the president's favorite platforms. >> mr. president, we look forward to your visit. the citizens of israel will receive you with open arms. >> would it be in the united states and the president's best interests to, i guess, to be too friendly with netanyahu in this visit? >> no, i think it is very much in trump's interest to be friendly with netanyahu. israel is very popular inside the republican party. >> but in terms of the peace deal, i imagine there's some sensitivity in terms of how he addresses this. david miller for example said it probably wouldn't push the ball forward if he were to walk away with all smiles during this visit. >> i don't believe there's a ball. i think it is -- to be honest i think it is a far ace. i don't think donald trump has the basic level of knowledge or stamina or patience that would be required to make a serious effort towards palestinian/israeli peace, plus the circumstances are not right
for it. the palestinians are weak and divided, benjamin netanyahu doesn't want a palestinian think. it looks like a lot of theater. the real game is america supporting a harder line against iran, which is what the saudis and israelis want. i think in terms of the palestinians, i think benjamin netanyahu will have a free rein. >> this region is obviously complex. we learned today that the u.s. ambassador, friedman, he was at the jerusalem day celebrations. that was seen as controversial, that move. how do you think the saudis received that? >> i think truthfully the saudis don't care that much about the palestinians. what they really care is about an american president who is going to support their cold war against iran, their war in yemen, and the palestinians for them take a back seat to all of that. they know that donald trump -- i suspect they know -- is not going to do very much on the palestinian cause, but they're a self-interested government and the palestinians are not their
priority. >> jared kushner was supposed to be the man to broker the middle east peace deal. do you expect him to take on a larger role during this visit? >> sure, but in what universe would we think jared kushner has the qualifications to do that? he has no expertise or golf classic ground on this whatsoever. so, you know -- >> dow think it is odd he was given this task? >> you know, look, he has been given a huge number of tasks by donald trump because donald trump runs the government like a family business. basically the people close to him tend to take the jobs in previous administrations professionals also took. he probably sees jared kushner as a liaison to the jewish community. but he doesn't have the background i think would be required to get it done. again, even a much more competent administration would struggle given the circumstances are not very ripe. >> thanks so much, peter beinart. good the talk with you. >> thank you. >> still ahead, president donald trump brought a message to muslims in saudi arabia that sounded nothing like candidate trump. how did this new tone go over
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muslim-american men with opposing views of president trump. new york times contributor and founder and chairman of muslim-americans for trump. president trump avoided saying radical islamic terrorist, three words he used often on the campaign trail. did that omission make a difference to you? >> it doesn't make a difference. he has done a wonderful job. we are humbled that he started his first word with saudi arabia, and the keyword, drive them out. you know, $100 billion for the american economy and neutralizing the gift of barack obama to iran, making iran a threat to the american allies. we think he has done a good job. whether the threating is coming in the 21st century. he is delivering his man dade.
he was received by 50 muslim leaders there and he was received, you know, like a king and everything. >> right. >> to be honest with you, we are so happy he achieved his objectives. >> so, waja ha, you said his speech was only good for golf countries and not for repairing relations with muslims. do not let commentators fawning over it, saudi arabia is smiling ear to ear, they get everything and then some. trump is a businessman, he says the arms deal will create thousands of jobs in the u.s. explain your dismay. >> it should be called make saudi arabia great again. muslim-americans for trump, respectfully, you're killing me. it is like chickens for colonel sanders. this is what i called a beautiful marriage between ugly hypocrites. donald trump got his dowery by saudi family. he bent and did a curt situate
and was given a royal necklace in exchange for saudi arabia forgetis his two year campaign of islamophobia and calling them out for being directly responsible for 9/11 twice and saying they're enablers of terrorism. it was all wash away. i think islam hates us because they got $350 billion worth of arms that they will use to fuel the sectarian war and fire in humanitarian crisis that is yemen, in syria and in lebanon. what is worse, ana, this was not a speech for islam or muslim majority countries. all saudi arabia wants is legitimacy of center of islam that they are not given because it supports an extreme version of islam. donald trump gave them legitimacy, $350 billion worth of arms they will use in yemen,
in syria. so saudi arabia is smiling ear to ear. saudi arabia got everything it want. i will say this, sometimes i was listening to the speech i'm like, wow, it sounds like a saudi arabia p.r. agent wrote this for donald trump. and if you lavish donald trump with pling and praise he bends and does curt situates. >> how do you respond? >> my response is criticizing donald trump these days is a business. a lot of people have opened shops on it. a lot of politicians are trying to get the glory out of it. my say is this, these people a few weeks back were criticizing the ban on countries and he is anti-islam. the bottom line is this. he realized in 21st century is what is a threat is extremism and he is dealing with it. during his campaign he continuously promised he would
deliver, and these people, critics -- i mean will be critics all the time. like i told you, they've opened up the shop and doing business on criticizing donald trump which is not fair. they're not talking about what happened during the campaign. donald said thing, they're going witch hunting now and criticizing left and right. people are getting sick of it. >> you think that people who are critics of trump will be critics no matter what. they're not open minded to hearing when he does something positive, is that your viewpoint? >> thank you. and matter of fact thing is this i wanted to say. first time in american history the president who realized where the future threats are and he has started his trip from saudi arabia, israel and then rome. there should be -- they should see something before they're criticizing it. this is a wonderful job. only a non- -- a professional politician would not have done it, taking such a huge risk starting from there. instead of appreciating it,
muslims like myself, we are so thankful that -- because we are victim of terrorism ourselves. who is going to demonize -- >> should he have addressed the human rights issues and oppression in that reeg gion as american leader and representing this democracy and some of the values of america? >> of course. he's there -- he is there, he is promoting that. $110 billion, that obviously trade deals with the saudis and not only this, six gulf states -- >> where did he promote human rights. >> he didn't. >> in his remark? >> no, his is a trade trip. it is not a fashion show trip up there. he's not there to promote the civil liberties or other things. he is going there trying to neutralize what barack obama did, giving $400 million gift to iran, destabilizing the whole region. those are fighting in syria, those are fighting in iraq. those have become a threat to
muslim allies. he is trying to neutralize that. >> it is not too late, come back from the dark side, brother. i still believe in you. there's a light in you still. >> your shop will be closed pretty soon. >> ana, i'm not an llc right now, but, listen. >> you got 10 seconds. aim so sorry to cut you off. >> this is not criticizing for nothing, criticizing for nothing. >> this was a great short term and long term benefit between trump administration and saudis and the gulf countries for economic gain. >> that is your opinion. >> for promotion of defense industries and for a sectarian war that will destabilize the region and increase extremism. >> we have to leave it there. thank you. people in chicago are raising a collective voice in support of immigrants and refugees in their city. this is called the one chicago campaign, kicked off today. chicago's response to president trump's threat to cut federal funding to so-called sanctuary cities. to date a federal judge has blocked that executive order
from going into effect. immigration arrests across the nation are up 40% since trump took office. we have some breaking news just in to cnn. a major development in a brutal killing that happened last night on a college campus in maryland. police have formally charged a university of maryland student with stabbing another student to death, and now maryland police are confirming the killer was a member of a racist facebook group used by more than 1100 people who make the victim from another school. police do not believe he was provoked by the victim. lots to learn here. the name has not bye-bye released. still ahead, chinese dumplings, noodles, patties, are you hungry? all this on an all new episode of "parts unknown." (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything,
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and i know that queens is awesome, but i don't spend much time there. i'm always surprised to see the difference between neighborhoods. you can take the number 7 train and get off at a different stop. food and culture and people and businesses. this is a show donald trump will hate. >> why? >> because this is what america looks like. this is what his city looks like. we are an immigrant nation. that is abundantly and profoundly clear in queens. >> in one part of new york city. >> it's a big part. it's maybe the most exciting area to eat. >> when you talk about how it sort of epitomized america, i want to read to you what one of the people you talked to said a about this zone. if the american dream is alive anywhere, i think it's alive in
a place like queens. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. a place you can come and surround yourself to some extent with the comforts of home and familiar faces, but also walk five blocks over and have a hamburger and take the subway to e see the mets. >> you can have a hamburger, but you can also have the street food on rosevelt avenue. you have tibeten food, spanish food, beef patties, this is all within queens. which neighborhood is the best? >> i love the chinese korean neighborhoods. it's so much better than china town. >> it's really u authentic. >> cooking for chinese people
and not worried about attracting anybody. they don't need anybody else's business. they are going to keep it right. particularly korean food. more resolutely have refused to change or adapt their food to other flavors. they are not preparing it the way it should be made, the way taught them or whatever they learned and have kept it real chrks is what makes it so exciting. >> so what's the one thing people need to try? >> put your toe in the water with korean barbecue. it's pretty accessible. >> anthony bourdain starts in just a moment. but first, i want to take a note to honor the passing of a former reporter. he worked for cnn from 1983 to 2001. found himself on the scene of many major stories mm among them, one of the first to enter saudi arabia after the invasion
special counsel? eventually can he fire everyone? i mean, it's going to be fascinating tomorrow. >> we're going to hear every one of those questions. what we don't know is how many answers we're going to hear. >> yeah. >> that we're not sure of. >> yeah. this question of executive privilege and what they're going the call executive privilege and such a -- i mean that's a difficult legal theory anyway. that's not a cut and dried thing even in the best of circumstances, i think we're going to get into appeals court territory pretty quickly tomorrow. >> and i have a feeling that jeff sessions isn't going to rely on the feelings pleading that we heard last week from dan coats and the director of nsa. it is my feeling that i shouldn't talk about this. >> i have discomfort. yeah. >> yes. >> i have a gavel. >> we will seattle. thank you, rachel. >> thanks. >> when president nixon fired the special prosecutor investigating him, he did it on a friday night and shocked
headline writers who immediately called it the saturday night massacre. no one saw that coming, no one. everyone in the country was shocked. but because the trump white house is the leakiest white house in history, we know tonight that the president is thinking about firing special prosecutor robert mueller. and the first wave of commentary that you may have heard about this included many people repeating the phrase "can't imagine." as in can't imagine that the president would actually fire the special prosecutor. if you can't imagine that, you have not been paying attention. to president donald trump. >> trump and the people around him are not acting like people who have nothing to hide. >> it's jeff sessions' turn to answer questions from the senate intelligence committee about russia. >> the last time he was here, he testified and gave false testimony. >> i did not have communications with the russians.
>> we got a lot of questions we want to ask him. >> he violated his own recusal. >> if the president okay testifying in this setting tomorrow? >> i think he is going to testify. we're aware of it and go from there. >> i think what republicans ought to focus on is closing down the independent counsel. >> could the president fire bob mueller? >> firing special prosecutors tends not to work, as we all learned from watergate. >> you may be the first president in history to go down because you can't stop inappropriately talking about an investigation. >> what we're calling stupid watergate, something with all the potential national shame of watergate brought to you by people too stupid to grasp the concept of shame. >> mr. president, it's been an honor to serve. >> i can't thank you enough. >> it looked to me something out of north korea or the soviet politburo. >> we thank you for the blessing you have given us. >> april ryan, the white house
correspondent for american urban radio networks is reporting there is, quote, mass hysteria, that's her term, mass hysteria in the white house tonight because the president is considering firing special prosecutor robert mueller. tonight on the pbs news hour, chris ruddy, a confidante of the president said this to judy woodruff. >> i think he is considering perhaps terminating the special counsel. i think he is weighing that option. i think it's pretty clear what one of his lawyers said on television recently. i personally think it would be a very significant mistake, even though i don't think there is a justification, and even though -- i mean, here you have a situation -- >> chris ruddy had just come from the white house before doing that interview with judy woodruff. the report of mass hysteria in the white house tonight is based on the point that chris ruddy just made, even though he is a trump supporter who believe there's shouldn't be a special prosecutor, he believes it would be politically disastrous for
the president to fire the special prosecutor. when president nixon fired the special prosecutor that was closing in on him, the president then felt the resulting political pressure was so strong that it forced president nixon to then allow the appointment of a replacement special prosecutor. leon jaworski who carried the watergate investigation to its conclusion which force president nixon to resign. tomorrow afternoon when attorney general jeff sessions appears to testify to the senate intelligence committee, he will be asked about firing the special prosecutor, if the special prosecutor has already been fired by tomorrow afternoon, such is the suspense we live with, then jeff sessions will be asked about any conversations he had about firing the special prosecutor. he'll be asked why the special prosecutor was fired. but if special prosecutor robert mueller has not yet been fired
as of tomorrow afternoon, then jeff sessions will be asked if he will resign if the special prosecutor is fired. that is what attorney general elliot richardson did when president nixon ordered him to fire special prosecutor archibald cox. elliot richardson refused the president's order and resigned. and then the deputy attorney general williams ruckelhaus refused that same order, and then he refused. and then robert bourque obeyed the president's order. and that was remembered when robert bourque 14 years later was nominated by president reagan to fill a supreme court vacancy and his nomination was defeated by a vote of 58-42. what happens in the firing of robert mueller be remembered for the rest of the lives of anyone who participates in that firing. technically, the president does not have the direct power to fire the special prosecutor. only the attorney general has that power. but since attorney general jeff sessions has recused himself from matters involving the
special prosecutor's investigation of the trump administration's russian connections, the prosecutor to fire the special prosecutor now rests with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, the man who appointed the special prosecutor. this evening we have been hearing many, many commentators say they just cannot imagine that president trump would have the special prosecutor fired. everyone who has said that is a very slow learner about the capacities of the trump administration. one senator has already imagined it. senator kamala harris of california last week asked rod rosenstein to guarantee in writing that the special prosecutor would not be fired. that exchange became memorable not so much for the assistance for the style of rod rosenstein's response in which he seemed to try to avoid giving senator harris an answer, and more importantly, it was remembered for senator harris' persistence in getting an answer.
>> would you agree, mr. rosenstein, to provide a letter to director mueller similarly providing that director mueller has the authority as special counsel, quote, independent of the supervision or control of any officer of the department and ensure that director mueller has the authority that is plenary and not, quote, defined or limited by the special counsel regulations? >> senator, i'm very sensitive about time, and i'd like to have a very lengthy conversation and explain that all to you. >> can you give me a yes or no? >> it's not a short answer, senator. >> it is. either you are willing to do that or not, as we have precedent in that regard. >> chairman, they should be allowed to answer the question. >> i realize that theoretically anybody can be fired. and so there is a potential for undermining an investigation. i am confident, senator, that director mueller, mr. mccabe and i and anybody else who may film those positions in the future will protect the integrity of
that investigation. that's my commitment to you, and that's the guarantee that you and the american people have. >> so is that a no? >> she took that as a no. kind of the best line of that exchange was just cut off in our video. that now turns out to be possibly the most important question that was asked at that hearing. there were many other important questions asked of the other witnesses that got all the air time that day. but now, now that question. looms as the most important. that is the only time that rod rosenstein has been questioned about firing the special prosecutor. and his answer was theoretically anyone could be fired. he did give a guarantee, sounded like his personal guarantee that he would protect the integrity of the investigation. we will find out what that guarantee is worth. we'll find out what that means, if the president tries to fire a special prosecutor robert mueller. we will find out if rod rosenstein simply refuses to carry out that order.
and if he does refuse, then we will find out if he then immediately resigns following the elliot richardson model, or perhaps more interestingly, rod rosenstein refuses to carry out the order and he doesn't resign. and he tries to appoint another special prosecutor. then we'll see if the president then fires rod rosenstein. or might attorney general jeff sessions decide that he will carry out the president's order and fire robert mueller himself? even though he has recused himself from the russia investigation. then does rod rosenstein resign? with a president who is motived by the norms of political cost benefit analysis, we might be able to predict for you what might happen here. with any other attorney general, we might be able to predict what the attorney general would do. if the president wanted the special prosecutor fired. what we do know is that from the start, president trump has behaved not like a politician who is concerned with how things
look and how they will look in the next election, he has behaved as senator franken said like he has something to hide, something big. and we know a lot about jeff sessions, but not enough to predict what he will do if the president orders the firing of the special prosecutor. and so tonight the investigation of the president and his associates has hit another stunning suspense point. will the special prosecutor be fired? it was a question that rod rosenstein thought he could ignore last week. and most of the media thought it could be ignored last week when kamala harris asked about that. but tonight here we are. it's the question of the night. and we don't know what attorney general jeff sessions will do. we don't know if he will do the right thing and stand up to the president. this might be the night when jeff sessions looks into his soul and decides that the place he wants to occupy in history is
as an attorney general who did the right thing when the president tried to fire the special prosecutor. if this happens, if the president does try to fire the special prosecutor, jeff sessions should know that what he then does will define his place in history. it will overwhelm everything he has ever done in his past, good or bad. it will be the thing he is remembered for. no one remembers ellio richardson for being the attorney general of massachusetts. no one remembers anything else elliot richardson did as the attorney general of the united states. they remember only that elliot richardson did the right thing on one night of his life when president nixon wanted to fire the special prosecutor. and unfortunately, everything that we do know about jeff sessions tells us that jeff sessions is no elliot richardson. joining us now walter dallinger who served as head of the office
of legal counsel. he was acting solicitor general from 1996 to '97. john heilemann, national affairs analyst for msnbc news and msnbc. and david frum, senior editor at the atlantic. take us through the possibilities here. and one of the things i want to consider as we approach this, jeff sessions may already be a subject of the special prosecutor's investigation, possibly for perjury in testifying to the senate, or possibly involving his possible russian connections. it is -- is it possible that jeff sessions tonight has to worry that if he participates in the firing of the special prosecutor, that could add a obstruction of justice risk to him in what could become any investigation that follows that? investigation that follows that? >> well, as you know, attorney general sessions recused himself from anything having to do with
the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. for him to unrecuse himself and to participate in any decision to dismiss the special counsel i think would place him at extraordinary personal legal jeopardy. so i cannot imagine, no matter how loyal he may be to donald trump that he would be the one to step into that at his own personal legal peril. it's much more likely that in the unthinkable world in which we were to dismiss the special counsel that the president would direct the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein to do that, i knew rosenstein a bit. most people who have been in washington justice department law enforcement know him. i find it unthinkable that he would accept and carry out such an order. i believe that he would resign and that the president would have to go down the list. one of the problems is there are not many confirmed officials in
the department of justice who are in the hierarchy to become acting deputy attorney general and to take on that authority. i don't know how many people would have to resign before president trump would find someone who would carry out the order to discharge mr. mueller. you have to remember the extraordinary confidence that robert mueller has among federal judges all across the country, among fbi agents all across the country, among republicans and democrats who have been in law enforcement or justice or law firms who is a republican who served for two terms under president bush as director of the fbi. i mean, this is -- this would be such an extraordinarily shocking event that it would not simply call into question the integrity of this investigation, it would call into question whether we really were operating under the rule of law at all. >> let's listen to newt gingrich
making the case for firing the special prosecutor. >> i think that what republicans ought to focus on is closing down the independent counsel, because he is not independent. he apparently is very close to comey. we know comey hates trump. you have to assume that that has to leak over to mueller. and you have to assume that the people mueller is going to bring in are essentially justice department people who were 33-1 in favor of clinton over trump. >> david frum, your reaction to newt gingrich. >> first, he is calling him an independent counsel. that's an important mistake. the independent counsel law was allowed to lapse attend of the last century because there were doubts of constitution. that the special counsel is
under the president because people have argued the president can be trusted to investigate himself. if that turns out not to be true, you are into political recommend dolphins most dire kind. maybe newt gingrich would welcome that because it's kind of an apocalyptic scenario and he enjoys those. i don't want to sound like i have the limited imagination you condemn. but if president trump really does fire robert mueller, he might as well hire a sky writer to trace over the white house i am super guilty. >> john heilemann, newt gingrich seems to be laying out the kind of talking points if this goes forward, i would expect to hear from more republicans. >> right. i mean, look, there is one version of kind of conventional political analysis, lawrence, that says look, this is never going to happen. that newt gingrich and the other assorted trump allies throughout are effectively, i say this on the night of another game in the nba finals, working the refs,
are trying to muddy up robert mueller, are trying to launch a campaign against him to damage his credibility going forward. and importantly, to gin up some of the flagging enthusiasm of the trump base that we've been reading about in polling analysis over the course of the last few days that the white house is very concerned about the notion that they understand that he is never going to be a 50.1% president, that they need to keep his base whipped up. they need to keep it solid. and these kind of talking points are part of the way to do that. i think that that conventional political analysis is probably right as far as it goes, but like you, i don't think it's at all unthinkable, i don't think the supposedly unthinkable is at all unthinkable given what we have seen so far over the course this administration. it does feel to me tonight -- i'm not predicting this is going to happen. it could end up being that the conventional analysis is right. it could be possible that we're standing right now at the brink of a constitutional crisis.
>> let's go back to the nixon model. let's remember the most important thing about the nixon case. the president was guilty, and he knew that when he fired the special prosecutor. and so a lot of the analysis of president trump is of a politician who is trying to preserve his political future. what if what we have here is someone who is guilty, who knows he is guilty? firing the special prosecutor has a logic to it. >> it is like a confession. here is a difference. with president nixon in 1973, he faced a special -- he faced a congress that was politically and idealogically sympathetic to him because conservative democrats had the upper hand. but it was in the hands of the upper party in both houses. he couldn't count on their total come place sense. donald trump may be gambling that he can, or to follow what john says, at least if he revs up the core republican base enough in these safe republican
districts. the great calculation the republicans are all making is as they look with increasing dismay at donald trump, are they safer if they run away from him or are they safer if they cling to him. >> and walter dellinger, play out this drama a bit. if this does happen and let's say we see something like what we saw in the saturday night massacre with the attorney general not either quitting or not being involved in it at all through his recusal, rod rosenstein possibly resigning as you predict he might do, the next person in line, isn't that the old job you had, solicitor general? >> it is, lawrence. but the question is the solicitor general is not confirmed at this moment. and so is not eligible to become acting attorney general. neither is the next ranking person in the department, the head of olc is not yet confirmed. we're sort of entering into a black hole to try to find someone who would carry out this truly unthinkable deed.
>> and so john heilemann, that would leave the administration, leave the white house basically calling over there, having to wire this whole thing ahead of time. they can't stand to go through the surprise of nixon got of discovering what elliot richardson was going to do only when the moment came. >> this again, lawrence, this is the scenario where i do think we get quickly, for the reasons that walter just laid out, you can very quickly find yourself in a constitutional crisis. and i do think to tie up one of the things david said, did this calculation for republicans, who have always held the fate of trump in their hands, not democrats, but republicans, at what point it is more expensive to carry trump as opposed to then stick with him as opposed to run away from him? there is going to be a point where it's more expensive to stick with him. in the black hole constitutional crisis, the notion that the white house is effectively taking over the justice department, and the old standard walls that divided the two and gave some independence, measure of independence to the justice
department have come crumbling down entirely. that is where it becomes unthinkable for me to imagine, or becomes unthinkable that republicans eventually don't look at that and say enough, this is going to destroy us in 2018. we must put a stop to this. i don't know exactly where that point. but that point begins to become maybe, just maybe foreseeable. >> david frum, a quick last word before we go to a break. >> look, but you are hearing, and this is the most ominous thing saying the president has the right to fire him and fire him for any reason that is the new vision of the fbi director. maybe we're going to hear a new vision of the special counsel too. >> david frum, thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up, the president's cabinet pledged their personal loyalty and devotion to the president today, and they did it publicly, except for a couple of them who held on to their dignity. and later, we'll be joined by a man who was threatened by donald trump with the possibility that he had tape recorded their conversations for use in court.
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the day before it leaked from the house that the president is considering firing the special prosecutor, the president held his first cabinet meeting with his first order of business to have each member of the cabinet humiliate himself or herself by praising the dear leader. reince priebus won the competition hands down for the most fawning public worship of the president. >> on behalf of the entire senior staff around you, mr. president, we thank you for the opportunity and the blessing that you have given us to serve your agenda and the american people. and we're continuing to work very hard every day to accomplish those goals. >> one member of the cabinet refused to disgrace himself in a public display of the kind of personal loyalty that james comey has said the president demands. here is what defense secretary james mattis said. >> mr. president, it's an honor to represent the men and women of the department of defense,
and we're grateful for the sacrifices our people are making in order to strengthen our militaries for our diplomats always negotiate from a position of strength. thank you. >> not one word of praise for trump. there is no word tonight whether president trump is now considering firing secretary mattis for refusing to publicly display his personal loyalty to the president. joining us now, eli stokols, for "the wall street journal" and john heilemann is back with us. eli, the report earlier tonight of mass hysteria in the white house at the thought that the president is actually considering and may very well be very close to deciding to fire the special prosecutor. we think we've seen something close to hysteria inside the white house before. i guess this would be the peak. >> well, it's really hard to know for sure because hysteria, it's sort of chronic. it's almost become the norm inside the west wing. and it's difficult, really, and it's a challenge for journalists to ascertain just to what degree people -- this is sort of a
grade higher than normal when you have conversations, when you a president who is willing to engage pretty much anyone who comes in and out on any topic and who will discuss things that sound crazy when they get leaked to the press. it's difficult for us to know is he serious, is chris ruddy telling the truth? is he actually considering that? i think it was a pr problem this afternoon when it came out you. saw the white house eventually put out a statement. but this is a president that the bottom line is his own staff, his closest aides, they don't know what he is going to do at any given time. and i think that's why every day sort of feels like a four or five-alarm fire over there. >> let's listen to what congressman adam schiff said about this tonight on "hardball." >> what this would prompt if he were to fire bob mueller, congress would immediately take up legislation to reestablish the independent counsel and we would reappoint bob mueller.
>> john heilemann, your reaction to that? >> i'm not sure congressman schiff has the votes for that. that's my immediate reaction to that. it's a snappy line, and as i said before, i do think it's hard to -- i do think there is a chance that if trump were to take this unprecedented and shocking step, i do think that there would be some republicans, some that would say, okay, i'm done with this now. i wash my hands of this. let's take this matter into our own hands. that might not be enough republicans to have the votes to accomplish what adam schiff suggested there. >> but eli, we heard the talking points laid out by newt gingrich about how to describe the legitimacy of firing the special prosecutor. as it happens, the causes for firing the special prosecutor are specified in law, and they are misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or, and that is the vague wide open one, other good cause. and so eli, that's what they'd be working with in trying to justify it.
>> right. that last thing might give them a little leeway. but, you know, i don't think following the law is the most important thing for these folks. this is all about the politics. and we started to see it about 24 hours ago. a lot of republicans who support this white house starting to come out with tweets, with public statements in interviews on television, starting to sort of back the idea, to float the idea of maybe the president should fire the special counsel here. and it's just an indication that as john mentioned, we're sitting here with republicans supporting this president and congress for the most part. the president's base still not abandoning him. and i think what you see if this comes to fruition, we may still be a long way from that. it may not. but if it does, it is a double down on this shoot a person on fifth avenue idea that this president believes that his base will not abandon him, and if the base doesn't abandon him, then the rank and file republicans in congress are not going to abandon him.
so there may be more of a sense in this white house that no matter the optics and how bad it might look to some, how much it might look like he has something to hide, they might believe also that they can get away with this. >> john heilemann and eli stokols, thank you both for joining us. i appreciate it. coming up, when donald trump sued someone who wrote a book about him, he of course lost the case, just humiliated in the litigation. and he used the same lawyer that president trump is using now. and in that same case, donald trump lied about tape recording his own conversations. that's next. my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means
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>> thanks to a freedom of information request by "the wall street journal", the united states secret service said today it has no records of any audio recorded in the trump white house. but as "the wall street journal" points out, this doesn't exclude the possibility that recordings could have been created by another entity other than the secret service. joining us now, tim o'brien, the executive editor of bloomberg view, and the author of "trump nation: the art of being the donald." and tim, you were of course sued for writing that book, and marc kasowitz was the lawyer, the lawyer he has defending him in that lawsuit. the issue of audiotapes came up. tell us how that happened. that at some point donald trump said something like i tape recorded our conversation? >> routinely, i was at "the new york times" at the time. and we spoke frequently, multiple times during the week. >> by phone? >> by phone. he doesn't e-mail. he would send letters or i'd see him at the office. but occasionally the end of phone calls he would say i've been taping this. you don't mind if i tape this, do you? that's fine, that's fine.
he would drop it in at the end. and i would be in his office and he would say i might have to start the tape recording system. >> let's go to the under oath deposition in your case. and i'm so glad that he sued you. >> i know you're jealous. >> i'm very jealous. i wanted him to sue me so i would have one of these depositions. here is donald trump under oath. i figured the only way i could make him write what i was saying was to have him at least think that he was being tape recorded. so you believe you may have told him? donald trump, i may have told him. i don't remember, but i may have told him. question, that you were tape recording him? >> donald trump -- that's right, i remember something very vaguely in my mind hoping he would write honestly what i said. question, and that was not true? you were not tape recording him? donald trump, i was not. i'm not equipped to tape record. so we have been here before. what was your reaction when you saw the first tweet from trump about hey, comey better hope
there are no tapes. >> i thought there were absolutely no tapes. and comey said during his testimony, lordy, he hopes there are tapes, famously. and i hate to disappoint him, but i don't think they exist. trump says this all the time to intimidate people. whether it's people prosecuting him or investigating him or reporting on him. it's sort of typical trump. >> now your reaction tonight, knowing donald trump as you do, your reaction tonight to the possibility that he may order the special prosecutor to be fired. >> oh, i think he would do that in a heart beat if it came to his survival. thing is two lenses for understanding everything donald trump does. self-aggrandizement, or self-preservation. he is firmfully the self-preservation mode here. i don't think he would hesitate for a second to fire mueller. >> the idea that well, he's got to make the political calculation, for you just how at risk does he feel. >> yes.
>> by the special prosecutor. and if he feels seriously at risk he'll fire them shirks not a strategically disciplined intellectually, emotionally disciplined person. he is a carnival barker. and he wants attention, and he wants to make sure that he survives. that's what motives everything he does. >> now kasowitz has absolutely no experience defending a president. he has virtually no experience with criminal law. he has always been in these lawsuits, defending the trump university lawsuit which he lost to the tune of $25 million. >> right. >> what is your reaction to the president having a lawyer with no experience in the arena that he finds himself now? >> well, when he sued me for libel, kasowitz had no experience in libel law either. >> and now he does. >> now he does. and i had great attorneys. i had mary jo white, andrew levine. >> former u.s. attorney mary jo white. >> correct. and former s.e.c. chair. and they were prepared. they were disciplined. they were wise. and they cleaned his clock.
>> and so kasowitz to you is a sign that actually trump could have more problems than he realizes? >> he doesn't understand what he is up against. >> doesn't know what he is doing. that was my impression. tim o'brien, thank you for joining us. and thank you for getting sued. >> you're welcome. >> coming up, president trump's personal lawyer marc kasowitz now wants to have his own office space in the white house, and big surprise, but possibly not to people who have seen him work before, he is now risking disbarment with the legal advice he is giving white house staff.
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that it was not yet necessary. according to another person with direct knowledge. now that part about telling the white house staff that it's not necessary to hire lawyers could get him in serious trouble you. might recall that it's been some weeks since i first advised everyone in the white house to get their own lawyers. marc kasowitz is a member of the new york bar. the new york bar's rules of conduct say, quote, a lawyer shall not give legal advice to an unrepresented person other than the advice to secure counsel if the lawyer knows or reasonably should know that the interests of such person are or have a reasonable possibility of being in conflict with the interests of the client. everyone working in the white house has the reasonable possibility of being in legal conflict with this president. the president's lawyer never should have said that to those staffers. up next, i'll ask former assistant attorney general walter dellinger how much trouble marc kasowitz can get in for giving that kind of advice
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house staff. as i just reported according to the "new york times," he told aides gathered in one meeting who asked whether it was time to hire private lawyers it was not yet necessary. we're joined by the founder of d.c. report.org a non-profit that covers the trump administration. and walter dahlinger. walter, you have a lawyer, completely inexperienced in any case involving the white house, inexperienced in criminal law being asked by white house staffers do they need lawyers. and of course they do. and here he is telling them no, no, no, you don't need lawyers. that's clearly in violation of the new york bar's rule about his ability to advise people who might be involved in the case that his client is involved in. >> laurance, i -- i'm not going to opine on the new york bar rules but think how generally inappropriate this is. if this is an employment related question, their advice ought to come from the white house counsel. mr. kasowitz's only professional obligation is to donald trump. so he cap be giving advice to
anyone else. note h this is a piece of the standard process of failing to follow the standard legal procedures that keeps getting this white house into more and more trouble. brief examples that link all today's news. they didn't get an opinion from the department of justice about whether his dealings with foreign businesses violated the emolument's clause. he hired a private lawyer for that. that's not appropriate. when the travel ban got a death blow from the ninth circuit today what they focused on was how they didn't follow the proper procedures, they didn't consult with the right departments, didn't have a finding. again and again they don't follow the right procedures and again and again it gets this white house into trouble. >> david, marc kasowitz is
practicing law without a license in washington which the d.c. bar does not like. they have got rules against that. he is not admitted to the bar in d.c. because the major firms in washington refuse to represent the president because they consider him so unreliable as you will know both in paying and in listening to legal advice. once again, as walter says, the one thing that is happening here is that the addition of the president's defense lawyer has not helped anything. as far as i can see from where we are sitting now has only made things worse. >> that's right. in addition to the prospect that he might have problems with the board of professional responsibility in washington which is under the circuit court of appeals there, i think there is another elephant in the room, lawrence. we are talking about an investigation that deals with
counter-intelligence. does marc kasowitz have a security clearance? did the white house get a security clearance for him? what discussions is he having with staff people, and what facts has he been told by the president that deal with matters of national security? >> david, that's one of the things that you get in a washington law firm is that there are people there who have experience with either having had security clearances or have the ability and background to obtain one or what's necessary to get them through representations of clients like this. >> that's right. they are lawyers who are sophisticated in the ways of how government does this. they are not bullies. donald is a bully. his top lawyers bully people and threaten people. it's their style of operating that works in the private sector in some cases in tough throat businesses like new york real estate but that's not going to
work in washington. and that trump doesn't understand this goes to a very fundamental principle. unfortunately, nobody during the campaign simple will he asked donald trump this question, what exactly is the job description of the president of the united states. i assure you donald doesn't have a clue what it says in oral two. >> if you were white house counsel and staff came into your office in circumstances like this or any kind of investigation and said should i get a lawyer, what would you say? >> i think the answer depends on whether they had any rough connection to these issues. if they did, i think the answer undoubtedly should be -- should be yes, that they should. you know, there was mention of creating a war room to deal with the russian investigation within the white house. but there war room the people suggested for it were going to be people who ought not be talking to each other about some of these matters at some point. i don't each understand how that
works. he needs distinguished counsel. and he needs to segregate 24 from the work of the white house and not continue to mix public interests and private interests in a way that doesn't respect the appropriate boundaries. >> well, we go into tonight with the suspense of not knowing whether we will have a special prosecutor tomorrow. walter dellinger thank you for your unique experience and guidance. david k. johnston thank you. always appreciate it. >> thank you. we'll be right back with tonight's last word. [boy] cannonball!
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nothing to do with his qualifications. >> they are opposed to donald trump pointing anyone to the supreme court. >> kneneil gorsuch a good man. >> it's the democrats who are breaking the rules, what they're doing is changing the 200 year status quo. the ironny is that you could have said the exact same things, regarding judge garland. that, of course, was president's garland's dom knee to fill the same vacancy who republicans refused to hold a single confirmation hearing, much less a vote. it was an unprecedented feet of obstruction. which mitch mcconnell on the campaign trail later, one of my proudest moments. the garland affairs seem to have taught democrats a lesson about the up sides of obstructionism and now with engaged based marching the streets and turning up the town hall showing to posed any kind of cooperation whatsoever with this president,
there's new in washington. just four democratic senators came out against a gorsuch fill buster, facing tough re-election battles. they've vowed to confirm him when the senate adjourns for two-week recess. democrats now face a choice, either take the loss or change the rules to make it impossible to fill buster supreme court nominees. it's known as nuclear option and according to senate minority leader chuck schumer, republicans don't have to go that far. >> they don't have to treat the nuclear option as if it's their first and only option. it's a false choice. to my friends on the other side, the answer isn't to change the rules, the answer is to change the nominees. >> joining me now, democratic senator of hawaii, a member of the senate judiciary committee. >> senator, i want you to respond to this things your colleagues and committee said,
this is politicized you have no objections against him and this is unprecedent. >> well, we have a lot of substantive objections against judge gorsuch, it has to do with, after reviewing his cases and how he approaches his judicial decision, he's very much in favor of corporations over individual rights. he will fit right in with roberts court and send this court further to the right in ways that will not protect minority rights. >> but, is there any -- i mean, the argument, i think, from republicans is that essentially there will be no republican nominee that would passer a threshold, is that a fair objection. >> no, it's not. in fact there was a nominee that had not been hand selected by the heritage foundation and the conservative groups spent by the way over $10 million trying to get judge gorsuch to this point, i will be open to someone who is
or provision so that minority person is harmed. >> let me ask you this: when this started i felt like the folks i talked to on the hill. on the background chats, thought that this would go through. they didn't think the democrats would get enough votes to fill buster. trace for me the trajectory here among you and your colleagues in terms of how you guys at this point. >> i certainly waited until after the hearings. part of the whole process of the hearings, four days of it, was first to try to find out what his judicial philosophy was, of course, that makes the difference. judicial fi lphilosophy -- that because our justice has come with life experiences and various perspectives. he would not give us an inkling as to how he would view laws. he just kept saying, he would follow precedent. he's going to the one court that sets precedent.
it was not reassuring at all a. we looked at his record and his decisions. hobby lobby, where all of a sudden, very expanded rights for corporation to have religious rights over the rights of thousands of employees, female employees of hobby lobby who suddenly were not going to get this kind of insurance coverage. >> so respond to an alternate thee theory of what happened. this is a substantive decision i've come to and my colleagues have come ton the merits. it's about his judicial philosophynd another way of viewing this, he's tremendous organized pressure to put on democratic by the activist base that felt like any vote, it's fundamentally ill -- i certainly didn't feel any pressure. i think that's kind of an argument that some people like to make. in fact, my colleagues from
texas, ted cruz said that the democrats of the committee were afraid of being primary. and i said, at the mark up. that that kind of statement doesn't even deserve any kind of response, it's so ridiculous. you know, we ask serious questions of judge gorsuch. and he did not provide us with the kind of responses that would enable us to conclude that he would be a justice for all of us and not just some of us. >> all right, senator. >> all right. >> i could go on. >> finish your thought. well, what's going to be interesting, we may get a chance to talk more about depending on how this shakes out. >> certainly. >> thank you. >> i'm joined now by brian, former communications director, former chief spokesperson to senate majority leader. brian, there's one way of looking at this which is, god is dead all is permitted, are all the pretenses been stripped away and the strategy adopted in 2009, obstruction by in means it
was kind of learned from watching you dad moment. if you were able to pull off the garland gambit. which was so amazingly audacious, why not cry obstruction by any means. >> well, i mean, mitch mcconnell is -- does have the power to get this passed. you can thank harry reid for that. he set the table for this. he can also thank people like you, chris hayes, you as a progressive have been very vocal in your support for fill buster reform. you should be sheering mitch mcconnell for doing this. this is another step. >> the fill buster antidemocratic procedural mechanism that is nowhere in the constitution. i think of sort of selective thing it's fine. just to be clear on the impeer cal skyrocketing which became de facto super majority one of the houses which is nowhere in the constitutional architecture and we all know how much you and everyone loves originalism. this is obama just in his first
four years, that's just the first term, 307 fill buster, there's just nothing like it. so if it becomes a de facto, you know, super majority, i mean, yeah i think they should kill it. >> yeah, but senators are lazy. to be honest, the way that i think this should happen, i am not a fan of the nuclear option. i do not -- i'm not happy about the senate traditions being chipped away. i think this is a terrible thing. but i understand why it's happening. it's happening because harry reid exempted everything accept for the supreme court with his strangling the rules to change the rules. i get why that's happening. i will see a real talking fill buster. i will rather, you want to block this nominee, let's see you guys get down to the senate floor to 24 or 48 hours. >> this was -- jim, you were in the square parts of these debates, you wrote it together saying you shouldn't fill buster, my understanding, jim, you have now come around to
think they should fill buster here. >> that's a fact, correct. i've come to the decision after long -- a lot of thought that this is absolute the right thing to go. for me with all do respect to the senator, it absolutely has everything, almost everything to do with how they treated merit garland. they refused to give this good man even the courtesy of a hearing and now for them to say, all these crocodile tears about what happened is absolutely ridiculous. you and i have been talking about this for years, chris. i have been very reluctant to change, but i think that this is absolutely the right thing to do by senator schumer and i applaud the caucus for holding together. what i want to talk about is how do these democrats get to this place where they felt comfortable voting and this nominee. >> i'm -- jim, i'm actually shocked. i have to say, i think and obviously as senator says this was sort of substantive joining the merits. when you look at that whip count, what's your answer to
that having been inside the office. >> and i understand, agn, why the senator said that. butheact of the matter is, if you look at the house, you look at what happened so-called trump care, no one, anyone who is afraid of getting on the wrong side of a trump tweet storm right now, needs to get a new job. because at 36% approval rating, unable to move legislative agenda, obviously, a whole bunch of these democrats feel very comfortable in taking this stand at this point in time. and i've got to tell you, a couple of weeks ago like you, you know, i thought this was going to happen. and he was going to be confirmed. but, obviously, the handwriting is on the wall. it's not going to happen. >> it's laughable. it really is laughable when chuck schumer goes on the floor and says we need a new nominee. >> i thought it was laughable when mitch mcconnell said garland is not going to get any meetings. not only was he not going to get
any meetings. when he said that, i thought, that's laughable. i also -- >> i think that was perfectly defensible. >> the constitution says if the senate has a right to advise and consent. >> that's exactly what the democrats are doing right now. they're withdrawing their consent. i said this to senate to senator, i said, yes, means not giving our consent. >> right. >> democrats are not giving their consent to go forward to a vote. that's part of advising consent. >> no, they don't have -- >> that's ridiculous. >> that's definition. >> you can't even vote. >> they do not have enough votes. they do have votes to fill buster and every nomination but the supreme court. but it's logical to understand that this was inevitably going to happen. >> this is the thing that drives me crazy, everybody just has to pretend all of these, like, everyone -- i mean i just watched in all of these folks, oh my gosh, the expressions,
sadness that we've come here. this is so upsetting and the plit sizization, i don't know what happened. they blocked garland for an entire year. they made up a rule about final year of president's term appears nowhere in the constitution, appears nowhere in tradition. that's fine, they won that battle. why should anyone pretend it's anything of sheer will to power of what you could pull off, jim. why should anyone pretend there's anything more than that? >> they shouldn't. i mean, the crocodile tears coming out of the senate republicans at this point in time, it takes a cake. i hope just democrats are realizing, these guys aren't playing by the same rules as democrats do. it's about time to try and fight fire with fire. >> brian, here, ultimate, quickly on this, are they going to get the votes to pull off nuclear option. >> i think they will. i think they will because we saw
democrats hold the line. i think they only lost three democrats in that vote for harry reid's use. i assume the republicans will stick together. >> thank you, both. >> coming up, reports of an attempted back channel connection between putin and president trump as house intel committee gets back to work leaving the white house desperate for diversion. we'll talk about it all after this two-minute break. . hold on dad... liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. don't worry - i know what a lug wrench is, dad. is this a lug wrench? maybe? you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. and you're about in to hit 'send all' on some embarrassing gas. hey,ou bought gas-x®!
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secretary. right now the question of whether the president's associates have worked together inappropriately with russian officials to interfere in the 2016 election is being investigated by the fbi. along with the senate and house intelligence committees. that committee met tonight for the first time since its republican chairman made his midnight run to the white house. the trump administration for its part has responded to these investigations with counter narrative, claiming the real scandal is a trump associate for the one secretly spied on by the obama administration. today it became clear, that counter narrative will involve obama national security adviser susan rice. it was first written up on the far right in the peace title sue a sanrice requested unmasking of incoming officials and turned up on fox and friend where they called the whole thing unprecedented. the president apparently live tweeting the entire view of the show, says fox news from multiple source there is's electronic surveillance and people close to trump.
short time after that, bloomberg suggesting that rice was the person who would request the identities of trump transition officials whose phone conversations of foreign officials were collected. joining me now is susan hennessy of the national security agency. all right, it's very clear to me now you've got all of the parts of the let's say benghazi industrial complex working to send this idea that the real scandal here is the obama folks spying on the trump campaign, what do you make of it? >> right. so,again, again, they're sort of trying to advance this narrative that the real story is something else, leaks, the fact incidental collection. the issue is that they're describing perfectly legal and what appears to be proper conduct of intelligence activity. the question becomes either their advocating for major intelligence reform, pretty
dramatic of the traditional republican tradition on these issues. or they're being offered to distract from the real story. >> yeah, so i want to talk about it, i think it's worth getting to it for a moment. right, there's something called minimumization exist because you want to protect the privacy of american persons when you are surveilling foreign entities. with that foreign entity has conversation it's minimized or masked. senior intelligence officials, including the national security adviser, who is the american on the other side of that conversation, if it is the case that susan rice did that in these context, that -- is that okay, is that not okay. what do you make of that. >> so this would be sort of within the ordinary activity of a national security adviser. i typically would occur as a generic identifier. u.s. person number one. in some cases it will even be title, especially in the case of a government official. so sometimes that information will be disseminated with that
generic identifier. the senior officials will say, hey, in order to understand the foreign intelligence value with the significance and meeting of this, i need more information. and in that case they'll make request of nsa and in order to provide that additional information it will be in the ordinary job of the national security adviser. also, nsa would be making a separate determination as to whether or not it met those requirements before actually performing lastly. >> i kept sort of running through the thought experiment here, i'm susan rice and i made some intelligence product that says foreign intelligence, someone that we're spying on, had conversation with, you know, u.s. person campaign official a and i'm thinking to myself, well i think i want to know who that was and it doesn't seem crazy. >> right. so it certainly it's not crazy, but you wouldn't be able to unmask information just as a matter of personal curiosity. it's about whether or not you need that information in order
to perform your official duty. and so that standard is a relatively high one. but it's one that a relatively limited number of people are allowed to make and there are externalhecks and controls on when that information is allowed to be distributed. >> so i don't know if you have thoughts on this, you are in a position like all of us sort of sorting through the kind of steady barrage this new washington reporting tonight about eric prince trying to set up a back channel, the two day meeting, apparently with someone close to putin. and we know that eric prince from some of the reporting, that was on the is close to the trump orbit, how does that strike you. >> right. so once again, sort of the bizarre feature here seems to be the secrecy, right. there's nothing necessarily improper about incoming administration wanting to communicate with foreign governments including russia. we've seen administration, have talked about resets and pivots. the -- what is strange here and
has been strange in the past is the secrecy and sort of why you would sort of dispatch this unofficial individuals but it was not part of the transition team in order to establish that back channel communication. why wouldn't be forthright, especially considering all of the news stories, that is raises suspicions about what is there to hide here. >> why all the big channel. thanks for joining us. >> ahead, new revelations that president trump secretly revised his blind trust allowing him to take money from any of his businesses whenever he feels like it, that story coming up.
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we have another violation of tom price. previous reporting has shown that while congress price purchased shares in medical device manufacturer shortly before introducing legislation that would have benefited the company, traded thousands of stock while sponsoring an advocating legislation effecting the companies and got a sweetheart deal on stock and australian bio tech firm that netted price 4 this hundred% profit. they knew all of this, about price and they confirmed him to leave the department of health and human services any way. now, republican reporting that on the very same day that price's stockbroker bought him up to $90,000 stock in six pharmaceutical companies last year. the same day he arranged to top u.s. official seeking to scuttle a controversial rule that could have hurt the firm's profits and driven down their share prices. it's worth remembering they told
them price' trades were being investigated by the former u.s. attorney, district of attorney before he was fired by president trump last month despite trump having previously indicated he would keep him in that job. that's one of the conflict issues that trumped up in the past few days. next the white house is denying a report the president made a secret change. the new documents that could spell ethics trouble for jared kushner and ivanka trump right after this short break. the friends, the independence. and since we planned for it, that student debt is the one experience, i'm glad she'll miss when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. ameriprise [ om[ sniffs ]c ] little girl: daddy! trapped by your unrelenting nasal allergies?
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any change just because of a left wing blog makes the point of something changing doesn't mean it actually happened. i'm not aware that there was ever a change in the trust. and the idea that the president is withdrawing money at some point is exactly the purpose of what the trust -- why a trust is set up regardless of an individual. >> i'm -- last question on this, you're not saying whether or not it has changed just to clarify. you're not sure. >> to the best of my knowledge, it hasn't changed. >> and a lot to fact check, one it's not a left blog. withdraw it's not actually a trust. the trump trust doc revised and signed on february 10 pointed out to spicer on twitter. stipulates it shall distribute net income or principal to donald j. trump at his request. this is of the revelations we've gotten about the conflicts in the past few days.
many other ethical issues, for president george w. bush. mr. painter, my understanding is that actual blind trusts have mechanisms to disburse money. but in this case it was never a blind trust to begin with. now it's been further amended without letting anyone know. >> well, yes. this trust was never a blind trust, this trust did absolutely nothing to remove conflicts of interest and i don't think anybody who knows anything about conflict of interest law ever thought it removed conflict. this is a trust to set up to benefit donald trump and allow him to do whatever he wants with the assets he wants that's clearly what's going on. a qualified blind trust is one of the ethics and government act where the office holder transfers the assets to the trustee. the trustee then sells the conflict creating assets, tells the office holder they have been sold and invested something else knowing about it.
but that has nothing to do with this trust. this trust is simply flair to be a vehicle to hold donald trump's businesses until he done being president. >> i want to ask you about some of the disclose sures we got on friday from the office of government ethics. particularly about two people that are working in the administration, the president's daughter ivanka. saying ivanka trump and jared kushner benefitting. what strikes me as important here, is the conflict of interest laws may not apply directly to the president in the way that the, you know, criminal exposure and the like. but it should apply to people like jared kushner. how big of a problem is it that they have all of this potential exposu exposure. >> well, it does. the credible statute that does apply. the conflict of interest law. the white house counsel's office trying to wiggle around that calling ivanka a volunteer, they knew full well that wsht going to fly. i think ivanka's lawyer is
telling her she better comply with the conflict of interest statutes. let's make her a real employ. she is subject to this law and so is jared and that means they'll have to stay out of banking, financial services regulation, because that effects real estate. they'll have to stay out of tax reform. and of course, trade, with ivanka importing clothing from china. so they stay out of those three areas, i guess there's something else for them to do. this is a very very broad recusal and most white houses that someone sell off. clothing butting her name on it.
>> that would be referred to the criminal division of the department of justice, there's republican integrity unit over there, with a lot of experience, career lawyers, this is not something that attorney general sessions will be able to sweep under the rug and in those types of manners, a lot of people participating and you see jared kushner or ivanka trump getting anywhere close to the matter, you can bet a lot of people calling over to the justice department. this is a manageable conflict, but i hope they're relying on their own lawyer, who was a lot better than the lawyers in the white house. as i said, we're trying to pretend that ivanka trump wasn't a government employee. it was a broad recusal they're going to have to stay out of a lot of things and china is one for example. everything he doesn't like something china does, he threatens trade sanctions. right then and there, jared and
ivanka may have to walk out of the room if she's importing clothes from china. >> it seems to me like they're putting themselves in a terrible position, in terms of exposure. when you talk about criminal exposure. talk about tom price. we've got new information, again, this was a republic reporting on friday that he intervened on a rule that would hurt drug profits the same day he acquired some drug stock. he has had a series of allegations of conflict and we have reporting suggesting he's being investigated possibly by the southern district of new york. >> well, he's got the conflict of interest problem because of the stock, but he's got another problem as well. if he goes out and buys that stock when he has material public information that isn't known to other investors, he is violating insider trader loss. he said wall street people off to jail on a regular basis and
congressman also are prohibited from trading the basis of nonpublic information and they learned from the work on capitol hill and that episode is very troubling. it was the same day he made that trade when he was taking steps that he knew about other people didn't, to help that company. so that is not a good situation. >> all right. richard painter, thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> still to come, the author of an explosive "new york times" report detailing brand new allegations against bill o'reilly of fox news and today was novelty check day at the white house. find out what this is all about in tonight's serious. thing one, thing two, right after this break. why pause a spontaneous moment? cialis for daily use treats ed and the urinary symptoms of bph. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away
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>> $18 million, spent to secure trump tower, currently cost the city at least $127,000 a day to protect the first lady and barron, who have opted to continue to live in trump tow we are. today sean spicer pushed back on reimbursement. >> this is not something that you can control. there is a security aspect that the secret service determines when the president and family travels. that's not dictated by the president of the united states. third, you know, i would know, ironically, this is a day that the president donated significant amount of money of his salary back to the federal government and so, you know, respectfully, it's -- at what point does he do enough, he gave a sizable donation. >> i mean, i don't think to be able to say, he isn't taking a salary, i think he's stepped down from his business. he's walked away from a lot. i think -- i think at some point he's done quite a bit in terms
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conservative men. his comments and their delivery made it that they wanted a sexual relationship. it alleges rebuffing mr. ailes sexual advantage, of course the former fox news host who sued mr. ailes last summer. it was ultimate lissetteled for $20 million along with the public apology by the company. with regard to the new lawsuit, mr. ailes responded through his attorney, the description of of meetings that she had with ailes a are hogwash, they deny the allegations. the fox news has handled payments to accusers also being investigated by the u.s. attorney's office, it's former chief financial officer has been offered immunity as part of the investigation according to times citing people briefed on the case. all ofhis as they public massive investigative piece and
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something? but he got very hostile very quickly. he told me flat out forget any career advice i gave you. and with every appearance every job opportunity at fox getting further and further away from me. >> she held a news conference to allege inappropriate behavior by bill o'reilly. "new york times" found different women who settled with either mr. o'reilly or fox news channel. including verbal abuse and unwanted advances. fox news responded in a statement that reads while he denies the merits of these claims, mr. o'reilly has resolved those that he claims are his responsibility. he says i'm vulnerable to lawsuits from individuals who want me to tay them negative
publicity. one company has pulled its adds from the o'reilly factor. mercedes-benz has made a statement. joining me now, michael schmidt, coauthor of the "new york times" piece. michael, let me start with you. there has been reporting in the past. i want to be clear about what's new here. there's been reporting of settlements that have been public. there are current lawsuits outstanding. but there are new things that you and your colleagues found in this article previously unreported. >> we reported on five settlements. two of the five have been already out there. one in 2004 and one we reported on in january. we brought three new settlements to light. we told windy walsh's story.
we also explained the story of andrea tan tar ross in her piece. allegations that were later backed up by her psychologist who testified under oath that she told her that these things had gone on from mr. o'reilly. >> explain what her position is. it is interesting she decided she's not filing a lawsuit. she's potentially just coming forward to talk about what happened. >> right. intrepid "new york times" reporters apparently went through old tapes of fox news shows. they looked for women who were on and simply cold called them. windy got a call and she was asked about whether she had experienced any sexual harassment at fox news or what her relationship was with bill o'reilly. and eventually established a relationship with emily steel, eventually she told her what happened. windy is a friend of mine. she's a previous client of mine.
all along i was with her. i told her if you want to come out with this story, i will stand by you and defend you. if bill o'reilly comes you, we know how invictive he can be. i was with her today. her story is very clear she was a guest for about a couple of weeks, i think three weeks. she was hoping to get a paid contributor position. mr. o'reilly asked her out to differential she joined him at the bel air hotel. after dinner he wanted to take her to his room. she refused. he immediately turned hostile and the idea of the contribute deal was off the table this is called acquitt
-- >> roger ailes probably the most powerful man in media leaving fox news in disgraces, although with quite a sizable severance package after a series of reports came out, allegation after allegation after allegation. what is the posture of fox towards o'reilly now that there are five settlements on the record and possibly others as lawsuits now? >> we know mr. o'reilly's contract has been extended. fox extended it knowing that he had reached many of these settlements. the important thing is that two of them have been reached since mr. ailes left. fox knew about those settlements when they extended his contract recently. so the question is and a lot of people havesked me but fox hasn't answered why is mr. o'reilly being treated differently than mr. ailes. fox would you say the cases that were brought in recent months against mr. o'reilly which he settled have any merit and they've been able to dismiss them. >> do you want to respond to
that? >> it's been since 2014 with andrea and what she went through where it seemed clear she had recordings about what he wanted to do in the shower with her all the way until the present. in any other company, bill o'reilly would be fired. i call upon the state division of human rights in new york to do their own investigation into sexual harassment at fox news. they treat these payments as the cost of doing pitches they have no interest in getting rid of this man who's accused of being a serial harasser. and instead the women are driven out over and over again. they're driven out of their careers. this is a harm to women's rights. and i hope they will do an investigation. >> bow daedal was an on air
personality at fox news, has been retained in one case to dig up dirt on the accuser. >> we went back to the 2004 case and looked at how fox responded to that. they worked with mr. o'reilly to hire an investigator to dig up dirt and paint her in as negative a light as possible. we used that case as a way of trying to figure out how did they look at these things. how did that continue in the years that came. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you. that does it for us here on all inn this evening on this news packed monday. the maddow maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening null cries. thanks to you the home for joining us this hour. buzzfeed ali watkins has a sort of jaw dropping scoop tonight about the trump campaign.
. if you want to list things to worry about, he said his father the president is surrounded by 37 appeasers. yes, he means people who just tell trump what they think he wants to hear, where the family gives him the right direction. what a perfect definition of a country run by a royal family, again, on the russian model, the romanovs, a bad example of having it all and blowing it. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> you had a, you know, someone as despicable as hitler, who didn't even sink to the -- to using chemical weapons. >> communication breakdown. >> to draw any comparison to the hol oh cost was inappropriate. >> from foreign policy to the basics of governing, new signs of confusion and chaos in an understaffed white house. then --
donald trump, as part of an investigation into potential links between russian intelligence and the trump campaign. more on this story coming up. but this comes as the trump administration is reeling from yet another self-inflicted wound tonight. you know it's bad when the president's press secretary is standing in front of the white house apologizing for what he said about hitler earlier in the day. this episode just the latest evidence of an administration that does not appear at a very basic level to know what it's doing. and as the president has been inserting himself into some of the most high-stakes global issues, launching an attack on syrian government forces and tweeting about the solving the problem of a nuclear north korea, trump's administration is having trouble getting out of its own way. the sean spicer fiasco began with comments he made at today's press briefing about syrian dictator bashar al assad's use of chemical weapons. >> we didn't use chemical weapons in world war ii. you know, you had a -- you know,
people to festivities on the south lawn. this year, according to "the new york times," the white house is struggling to pull it off. the event is this coming monday. but according to the times, washington area public schools that normally receive blocks of tickets for as many as 4,000 children have yet to hear from the white house. likewise, several groups representing military families who have also accounted for as many as 3,000 guests in recent years, the same group of people doing a shoddy job of running the administration, it is those same people that are conducting foreign policy in overseeing the most powerful military in the history of the world. today the kmantder in chief took to twitter to address north korea's nuclear program. quote, i explained to the president of china that a trade deal with the u.s. would be far better for them if they solved the north korea problem. north korea is looking for trouble. if china decides to help, that would be great. if not, we will solve the problem without them. usa. this comes as north korean state media warn the nation would carry out a nuclear strike if pro-voekzed by the u.s.
meanwhile secretary of state rex tillerson was at a foreign ministers where he asked a question that left his colleagues befuddled. quote, why should u.s. taxpayers be interested in ukraine? i'm joined by colonel wilkerson. colonel, let's start with the hitler comment, which we don't have to talk about the sort of trajectory of the historical clumsiness and apology. but, to me, what was striking is that this was pretty clearly a talking point. the president himself in interviews talking about the worst mass murderers haven't used chemical weapons in this way, which is the kind of rhetoric you normally association with justifications for escalation into a military conflict. >> i'm very concerned by that very aspect of it. let me just say that i think scott spicer is kept around because he makes donald trump look good. i wouldn't expect him to depart on that basis alone. the white house is looking so bad that scott spicer actually
makes our president look good. with regard to some of the remarks about the more visible threats in the world, north korea being preeminent perhaps right now, from what secretary tillerson has said, from what the president has said, from what allegedly transpired in florida with president xi, i see so much rank amateurism at work here, just your remarks about the easter ceremony and no one being notified, it's clearly indicative of a white house that not only is low on people, it's low on experience and talent. they can't seem to even manage the grounds of the white house let alone such significant issues as russia and syria and north korea and on and on. >> one challenge has been just simple coordination on what acy the syria policy is, and it does seem today that they approached something closer to a consensus. you had secretary of state mattis saying this was about
chemical weapons and reinforcing the sort of taboo and norm and international law against them. the president sort of basically saying something like that as well. do you feel like they've arrived at some coherent policy on syria? >> i certainly hope so. but let's just look at some of the things they've been saying, chris. they've been trying to blame russia, for example, for irresponsibility in the disruption of syria's chemical weapons stocks. i'm sorry. the united states army and its contractors destroyed 600 metric tons in 42 days of cw stocks. the opcw and the united nations were responsible for that. as far as i can tell, they did a pretty thorough job. so why blame russia? they don't even know their facts. now, syria might have kept some sarin, some vx, or some other chemicals aside. there's no doubt they could have done that. but this is ridiculous. the inexpertise, the amateurism,
i remember very vividly how this happened with the bush administration in the first term when dick cheney was more or less running everything, and no one knew what was going to come out until dick had made up his mind. this was very disconcerting for our allies. well, at least mr. cheney was competent, experienced, and an extremely good bureau craft. this is amateurism, and amateurism looks to the world just like what it is -- amateurism. >> colonel, do you think that there's any danger now of escalation in syria if, for instance, there's evidence of more chemical weapons attacks, that essentially a line's been drawn that has to now be backed up no matter what? >> i think we can take mr. putin at his word. there are going to be, i think he said, more fake chemical attacks. i don't take that as disingenuously as maybe other americans do because i have seen no intelligence that convinces me that the provenance of those
attacks in idlib province was in fact the syrian government. so i'm really worried about this. and i know, chris, that we're already committing forces in syria that the we weren't committing before. the rules of engagement have changed. you may have seen above the faux left side, washington post front page this morning, you had active duty army actually saying that the changed rules of engagement are killing more civilians around mosul and other places. again, i don't see any coherence developing here even though i understand the military is in charge of the strategy. i really don't see coherence yet. >> conel lawrence wilkerson, thank you. >> thank you. joining me now, katrina vander hooven, and former congressman david jolly. katrina, you know, there's this line that eric trump said, and i've now seen conservatives repeat it, which is, well, look, the syria strike proves that trump is not tied or overly
sympathetic to russia. and one wonders whether they now perceive that there's political upside in increasing escalation with russia as a sort of means of producing some sort of domestic political effect with regards to the ongoing investigation there. >> let me flip that if i could. colonel wilkerson made a very important point about the importance of the 2013 diplomatic agreement to dismantle chemical weapons in syria, chris. you've been tweeting about that. i think it's important because president obama spoke of the playbook in washington among the foreign policy establishment. that playbook assigns credibility to use of military force. president obama pushed back against a discredited foreign policy establishment. but now that diplomatic agreement is being castigated, dismissed, by even obama supporters. i think it's unhealthy. i think lawrence wilkerson also made a good point that what was the rush? we've seen horrific, heinous chemical weapons attacks in syria before. why not an independent investigation of the source of
those attacks? why not a present to congress or the united nations? in terms of russia -- >> let me stop you there because lawrence wilkerson said this. i have seen people calling into the question whether the chemical weapons were in fact from the assad regime. afp was on the scene fairly quickly after the first reporters that i saw get there who had pretty consistent eyewitness accounts of an airplane flying over. >> i'm saying there should have been an independent investigation before the rush because what you're witnessing is -- and put aside what the trump sons are saying. i do think there could have been a targeting of domestic critics. what we're faced with tonight is that we are probably closer to war than we have been since the cuban missile crisis. the prime minister, who is the most pro-western in that putin government, said after the syrian strikes, we are on the verge of military clashes. i think this country needs to wake up. we're talking about sean spicer
factionalization in this administration, which is surfacing and is very difficult to understand. we're witnessing an escalation in yemen, in somalia, an escalation of counterterrorism strikes, an escalation of killing of civilians, and i'm worried about a catastrophic collision course this administration. and think of those who are applauding the syria strike, chris. to me, a disastrous presidency, one of its worst acts possibly was syria strikes and you heard these pundits applauding. sanity is needed. common sense. >> david, that brings me to this question. one of the things in the republican party, there was a central civil war about this posture towards foreign intervention, particularly along the lines of, say, enforcing a chemical weapons ban. and donald trump won by repudiating the bush legacy. >> he did. >> very explicitly. i think -- and you tell me. i think that's still where the base of the republican party is in their heart. >> i think they're conflicted,
yes. look, the president has zero credibility. nobody is suggesting that he has credibility on this issue. but the question as to whether or not he made the right dis, i would push back a little bit on katrina. it did receive both affirmation of both democrats and republicans. chris, i went down to the syrian border. i visited a refugee camp from the children to the adults. families wanted to go home. there was a father before i left who said, how are you going to help? how are you going to help? chris, i didn't have an answer. >> but, david, it's not through bombs. think of the hypocrisy of a president saying he's anguished looking at those civilian casualties when he won't even let those -- >> listen to the father who had to bury his twins. explain to the father who had to bury his twins why we shouldn't intervene and try to prevent that from happening. >> i mean let me just say this. two things. one, there is no answer to that father, whether that airfield is struck or not. so let's be clear about there's no incremental progress made for
that father. and as for answering that question, which is a very difficult moral one, there are a lot of fathers in a lot of other places including in yemen right now who would like to see the u.s. play a role different than the one it is. katrina and david, thank you. >> you got it. still ahead, more on that breaking news i mentioned earlier. the fbi was granted a fisa warrant to monitor the communications of trump adviser carter page last summer as part of an investigation into possible ties to russian agents. more on that development after this two-minute break. i would always answer hispanic. so when i got my ancestry dna results it was a shocker. i'everything. i'm from all nations. i would look at forms now and wonder what do i mark? because i'm everything. and i marked other. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com. a heart attack doesn't or how healthy you look.
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confirmation that a fisa warrant was in fact approved to investigate contacts between russian intelligence and trump associates. joining me now, phillip rucker and julian sanchez, a senior fellow at the kaddo institute. julian, let me start with you and then i'll come to you, phillip. fisa is intended to spy on or surveil foreign intelligence? so there's supposed to be a fairly high bar to actually target an american citizen and not just incidentally sweep them up, that right? >> there's actually two different sets of standards for getting a warrant that depend on whether the target is a u.s. person or not. if it's a foreigner, essentially if they're working for a foreign government, that's more or less enough. for a u.s. person, it's not enough to show that they're in the employ of a foreign government. you have to show they're engaged in clandestine intelligence
activities and doing so knowingly. so it wouldn't be enough even if he had been unwittingly recruited as an asset. so the obvious question is what is the evidence they had that he was engaged in that kind of conduct and then how did someone who might have been engaged in that conduct end up as one of a relatively small number of foreign policy advisers to the trump campaign? >> that's key here. phillip, the reason this reporting is so important is we've had stories floating around about possible fisas, and two different british outlets have both had the story. this is the first sort of big american outlet to nail down this story and nail down a target for it. >> that's right, and it only nails down one target. it's this gentleman carter page who was an adviser for some time on the trump campaign. the trump officials would contest that and say he wasn't a formal adviser but he did play a role in helping shape the
foreign policy. >> i should also note that when he sat down with your fine paper and the now president of the united states was asked to name foreign policy advisers, out of his lips came the name carter page, comma, phd. >> that's correct. and the significance here is carter page is somebody who has a long history in russia. he lived in moscow. he worked in business in russia, and the u.s. government felt strongly enough that there was some suspicions there that they were worried he was acting on behalf of russia in dealing with the trump campaign and dealing his communications back and forth, that it was enough to warrant this warrant. >> this is also the individual, we should note, who recently was revealed in fbi charging documents in the southern district of new york had contact with foreign intelligence officials who were being charged in that court. >> exactly right. >> julian, the second part of this, right, so it's not just that -- because part of the thing that's hard about evaluating the evidence on this story is how should i be thinking about what has been shown here? and to me what's striking here is that they were able to get
this fisa warrant and that wasn't just a unilateral decision. that does have to go before a judge, again with this relatively high standard in the context of fisa. >> that's right. i mean there are in a way two different ways to read this, either of which is sort of a big deal. one is they had in fact had probable cause to believe this guy was acting as a foreign agent and in ways that either do or may involve violations of u.s. criminal law. the narrative i'm sure that page would prefer is, the alternative is that this is an adviser to a presidential campaign and, you know, the other possibility is that there wasn't very strong evidence. then wow hayou would have quest about how scrupulous the fisa court is being in evaluating evidence. sort of two sharply contrasting possibilities but it's a big deal either way. >> i saw a writer for breitbart saying, see, surveillance on
trump campaign officials although i then saw another trump associated person say, well, he was never an adviser even though he was talked about. this will now -- i mean this now, talk about fuel on the bonfire of this story. >> exactly. it makes it a bigger story. we have so many more questions here that need to be answered. one thing that's important, though, is this is not evidence of what donald trump accused president obama of having done back then, which was personally authorizing wiretapping of trump tower. this is just a carter page situation. >> right. and also julian, it comes from the federal bureau of investigation. you've probably heard of it. it's called the fbi. it's run by a guy named james comey, who we now know was supervisoring fisa warrants on this possible investigation, which he has now confirmed in open congress when he wrote the letter about hillary clinton's e-mails. >> yeah, i know. it is striking. i think what comey would probably say is, well, that was a closed investigation although then the question is what were they continuing to look at, and this was an open one.
so there's a weird irony there in that the more genuine suspicion they continued to have or the extent to which they hadn't resolved the question of whether there was wrongdoing involved, they were less able to speak publicly about it. >> that is a great point, right? like, well, this was quite serious. we didn't want to say anything. the other thing that we publicly announced, that was basically case closed, hence writing that letter. thanks for joining us. coming up, town halls are back, and the resistance is as strong as ever. lawmakers getting some face time with some very unhappy constituents ahead.
in kansas's forth district to replace former congressman mike pompeo, who is now the cia director. it is the first congressional election since donald trump became president of the united states. with less than 1% of the votes tallied, the democrat is leading. it may be a while before the full results are in. what we do know is that it never should have been this hard for republicans to defend this seat. it's a district that has not gone democratic in more than two de deca decades. the president recorded this robocall for gop candidate ron estes. >> on tuesday, republican ron estes needs your vote and needs it badly. ron is a conservative leader whose going to work with me to make america great again. we're going to do things really great for our country. our country needs help. ron is going to be helping us big league. but i need republicans like ron estes to help me get the job
done. this is an important election. there's really few very much more important, and i need your vote for ron estes on tuesday. >> not a whole lot of clues about what ron estes stands for or would fight for in congress although the president attempted to raise some actual issues with today's tweet. ron estes is running today for congress in the great state of kansas. i need his help on held care and tax cuts. a victory for the democratic candidate, james thompson, is a very long shot. the level of enthusiasm among democrats is clear, both in kansas in that district and across the nation. for instance, at a town hall in south carolina, congressman joe wilson, infamous for his "you lie" outburst at president obama's 2009 address to congress found himself on the receiving end of that same charge. [ audience chanting "you lie" ]
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so that -- [ audience booing ] >> obamacare is denying services, delaying services. [ audience booing ] [ audience chanting "you lie" ] >> it's not just town hall meetings getting flooded by outraged voters. "the wall street journal" described a surging wave of activists who are pouring money and energy into anti-trump causes wherever they can find them. town hall crowds are still vocal in support of the affordable care act act and a range of issues as congressman ted yoho of florida discovered at his town hall meeting in gainesville. >> i am not going to support planned parenthood. [ audience booing ] my fight's not with planned parenthood. my fight is with no taxpayers'
money going to any organization that does abortions. [ audience booing ] >> i don't believe the federal government should have a role in providing health care for everybody. [ audience booing ] >> i stand with the second amendment. my job is to defend the second amendment. [ audience booing ] >> joining me now, msnbc contributor who has recently traveled toeveral red states and discussed ideas about resifltance and reconciliation. i was thinking about you because a lot of what we're seeing, whether it's in this kansas district, the georgia district, or even those town halls, those are hard core republican districts this stuff is happening in. it's a reminder that it's a big enough country that when you've got hundreds of thousands of people in a place, a congressional district, there's going to be some critical mass of people even if they're not the majority, who don't support theme the president. >> that's true. i think for someone like me, frankly, who finds this
president to be profoundly dangerous, there's something thrilling about the videos you just showed. people are stepping up. people are getting activated. people are resisting. let me say i also find something a little disturbing about those videos and the thousands of others you could have played, which is that we're not talking to each other. it's very helpful to resist dangerous power, which is what i think this president represents. but i think we're doing less of a good job at being mindful of the circumstances in our unhealthy body politic that allowed someone like this to win. and i think the resistance is actually doing much better than the reconciliation. >> you know, i think that's interesting although i also think that it's a question of how much you learn from the tea party, right, because the tea party was not real into reconciliation. they were into activation, mobilization, strenuously protesting and saying, no, no,
no. and it was politically effective, at least in aort of sht termtical sense, and it seems to me that'she model right now for the folks on the other side. do you think that model is incomplete? >> i don't think it was a brilliant long-term strategy. i don't think they won the future. i don't think the america of the next 50 years is the america they wanted. so i actually think they're probably not a great example to follow, but they are parallel in that i think movements like this have a choice about whether they want to be kind of purist and exclusionary or whether they want to be inclusive. i think, you know, i am probably as strident as you can get about this president being dangerous. but when i'm in a lot of these conversations and circles about what to do, i find there's an exclusionary tone, and there's actually a lack of interest in poaching 5% of the other side. >> i think there's probably less of that, though? don't you think there's less of that in places like the kansas
fourth district where folks are living and working and hanging out all the time with folks that did vote for trump. i think the way that got sculpted there is different. >> totally. that's what i learned going out to these play places. western michigan, i was in an area that's betsy devos country. the interesting thing is people's lives and families and communities are much more divided and mixed politically than ours are here in new york. it's very common to go to dinners in new york and washington and it's going to be all anti-trump people or maybe all trump people. but out there, people don't have the luxury of being so purist. and i think we can actually learn from them because this resistance will fail if it is a movement of the already woke. and it's not interested in expanding and poaching and drawing people in who may be on the fence. >> yeah. thanks so much for your time. still to come, meet sebastian gorka, a
counterterrorism adviser to the president, who recently garnered praise from a group with nazi ties because of something in this picture. plus, everybody needs a hobby. that's tonight's thing 1, thing 2 after the break. hey, ready for the big meeting?
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well, this weekend president trump is heading back to his luxury golf resort in florida at considerable cost to his neighbors. according to the orlando sentinel, the county is debating a special tax on mar-a-lago to offset the cost of the presidential presence. right now palm beach county spends more than $60,000 a day when the president visits, mostly for law enforcement overtime or almost $2 million since january. this will be the president's seventh trip to mar-a-lago since he took office. according to "the new york times," trump has spent half of his weekends at mar-a-lago, and he has spent 17 days, over 20% of his presidency, on a golf course. breaking a key campaign promise. >> if i get elected president, i'm going to be in the white house a lot. i'm not leaving. >> i'm going to be working for you. i'm not going to have time to go play golf, believe me. woooh!
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you know, the message i have, it's a very simple one. it's a bumper sticker, shaep. the era of the pajama boy is over january 20th, and the alpha males are back. >> meet sebastian gorka, top trump counterterrorism adviser and former breitbart editor, a naturalized american citizen born in london too hungarian parents. gorka is an ally of steve bannon who, before coming to the white house, showed up regularly on fox news to argue the threat of terrorism is fundamentally tie to the religious offis islam. here he is talking about president obama's refusal to use the phrase, radical islamic terrorism. >> is he an imam? is he an islamic theoloejen? what are his credentials for saying whether or not what isis does is islamic or not? he says it's a perversion of islam. based upon what? >> gorka isn't just a run of the mill anti-islamist. gorka wore the honorary medal of a hungarian nationalist
organization to trump's inauguration. now, the organization was previously listed by the state department as, and i quote here, under the direction of the nazi government of germany, its founder once said, i have always been an anti-semite throughout my life. a spokesman told them the group was proud gorka had worn his medal and he was a well-known member of vitezi. an investigation by the jewish newspaper found that gorka workedith the openly racist groups and public figures in hungary. gorka's involvement includes co-founding a political party with former members of jobbik, known for anti-semitism, repeatedly publishing articles in newspapers known for anti-semitic content. gorka says he was unaware of his
former ally's connection to the far right and only wore the medal to trump's inauguration to honor his father. gorka continues to work in a trump administration that has, let's say, struggled a bit on jewish issues from president trump's apparent reluctance to denounce threats on jewish centers, to the white house not mentioning jews in its holocaust remembrance tribute to today's bizarre, astounding comments from sean spicer about holocaust centers. we'll look more closely at what is going on when it comes to the trump white house and judaism. that's next.
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who's thoroughly vetted at letsmakeaplan.org. cfp. work with the highest standard. we didn't use chemical weapons in world war ii. you had a -- someone as despicable as hitler who didn't even sink to using chemical weapons. >> it was a mistake to make any comparison. assad has done bad things. i'm absolutely sorry, especially during a week like this. >> joining me to discuss the trump administration's strange struggles with judaism, michelle goldberg and david k. johnson. michelle, i don't -- what do you make of all of this? i don't think the president is anti-sitic. famously, his daughter converted to judaism, but it just seems this constant thing he can't get
this thing totally, perfectly correct. >> don't wear nazi collabist medals to the inauguration. i agree with you. i also think it's unlikely that donald trump is a vicious anti-semite. i think that he and certainly parts of his administration get their ideas from the gutters of the old anti-semitic and kind of unabashedly racist far right. sometimes what you see them doing is repeating classic anti-semitic language and classic anti-semitic tropes, just not talking about jews per se. particularly when they talk about the global financiers that are -- >> the globalists. >> bleeding the working class people of this country dry. so when you see an administration with a lot of people who have clearly been influenced by anti-semitic thinkers and anti-semitic world
views, and i think this thing with sean spicer, i think, is not that. this was just buffoonish, accidental holocaust denial. but this is why nobody wants to give them the benefit of the doubt because they haven't earned it. >> david, spicer today called up sheldon adeleson to apologize. i love this as a designated jewish person to whom one apologizes. spicer reached out to adelson's office and apologized for the offensive, per adelson's spokesman. something weird about that, too. >> let's keep in mind, donald trump is a man who has a long and well documented history of discriminating against various people. not jews but blacks, women, asians, in employment, in housing. earlier today, trump himself made some comments that were consistent with sean spicer's awful comments. let's give spicer credit for one
thing. unlike the politicians and business leaders who come out and say if i offended, i apologize. spicer demonstrated that he has good manners. he just apologized. >> yes, he did. and michelle, to me, the -- it gets back to the idea of the sort of, when you, at the sort of -- when you move out from the center of the actual administration, you get to a very strange and dark place on the far right pretty kwuk quickly. and you don't have to play that many dot connecting which is why you end up in this place. >> it's not six degrees of separation. it's one degree of separation. >> sebastian gorka. >> when you have this person who his exact connection to this nazi-aligned group is disputed but he admits that he wears their medal. he's adopted members of his group adopt a lower case "v" as a middle initial, which he has done. he said he inherited his membership from his father and didn't actually pledge a
lifetime oath of loyalty as members of the group claim he did. i'm old enough to remember 12 weeks ago when even just kind ofof that degree of association with nazism would be enough to get you drummed out of the white house. >> you wonder whether we'll see that. gorka is a part of a wing of the white house that has not been faring particularly well including mcfarland and flynn and others in the orbit. >> donald will keep him around as long as he thinks it's useful to him. he demand s 100% loyalty from everybody. the luminosity of white skin on the people who work in this white house blinds them to many, many things. >> yeah, and that's a good point. it has not been a particularly diverse place generally in the early days here. and it does -- we see it all the time in every institution whether it's the media, whether it's politics. it does matter who is in the
happenstance? >> yes, absolutely. >> the irony of roger stone rejecting a conspiracy theory. and so today, april 13th, 2017, was the day that america woke up to the sudden knowledge that bombs have mothers. that all of the conventional nonnuclear bombs in the american military arsenal have one big beautiful mother. and there she is. the bomb's official name for bookkeeping purposes in the military is the gbu-43. the letters on the side of the bomb describe its function, what you can expect from it. massive ordnance air blast. but the military doesn't want us to call it the gbu-43, or the moab. names are important to the military. they name their bases after war heroes, after general, including
generals who have committed treason by fighting in the confederate army against the united states of america. the biggest u.s. military base in the world, the one with the biggest military population is in fort hood in texas, named after treasonous confederate general john bell hood. but the military's most important names, the names that are designed to deliver a message sometimes subliminal, sometimes very direct are the names of weapons. the military's best names for weapons humanize the weapons. that is what they are intended to do. the gbu-43, the biggest nonnuclear bomb the united states has never, ever used until today, april 13th, 2017. the gbu-43 had to wait years for its first use. during the bush administration, it replaced the blu-82, which until then was our biggest bomb. the blu-82 was used frequently in vietnam.
the military ace name for it was the daisy cutter. not the baby killer. not the family killer. not the village killer. the daisy cutter. the military's nicknames for bombs are designed to do two things. impress you with something about the bomb. its precision, its power, its enormity. but the best military names for weapons and bombs are designed to inspire awe and affection. and so the bomb that the bush and obama administration refused to use and has now been used by the trump administration is called the mother of all bombs. when the president was asked today about using that bomb for the first time in history, it sounded like he did authorize th the bomb in that instance. it sounded like perhaps he had given the general authorization to general mattis to use whatever weapon he decided was
right for the mission. >> did you authorize it, sir? >> everybody knows exactly what happened. what i do is i authorize my military. we have the greatest military in the world and they have done a great job as usual. we have given them total authorization. and that's what they're doing. frankly, that's why they've been so successful lately. >> the president got glowing review last week from most of the media in his first use of tomahawk missiles, his reviews on the use of the military's most destructive nonnuclear bomb will have to wait until there are at lst initial reports on the number of civilian casualty, if any, and what tactical gain was achieved by the gbu-43. now to the news that donald trump cannot bomb away, the guardian is reporting that british intelligence first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious interactions between figures connected to trump and known or suspected russian agents.
this intelligence was passed to the u.s. as part of a routine exchange of information. sources also told the paper that over the next six monday. until summer of 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between trump's inner circle and the russians. the european countries that passed on electronic intelligence included germany, estonia and poland. according to the guardian, the alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of russian intelligence assets. at no point was british intelligence carrying out an operation against donald trump or his campaign. former trump campaign adviser carter page, who was the subject of a foreign intelligence surveillance court warrant last summer said this morning that he may have discussed lifting u.s. sanctions on russia during a trip to moscow last year. >> it sounds like from what you're saying it's possible that you may have discussed the easing of sanction. >> something may have come up in a conversation. i have no recollection.
wikileaks, i love wikileaks. >> boy, that wikileaks has done a job on her, hasn't it? >> this wikileaks is like a treasure trove. >> joining us now, malcolm nance, msnbc counterterrorism and intelligence analyst. david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and an msnbc political analyst. and david frump, senior editor. i want to talk about the massive bomb that was dropped today and your interpretation of its use and what you think it might have been able to achieve in that usage. >> well, the gbu-43 is really just an area destruction device. it's designed to make a big blast over pressure. a lot of earthquaking, knock down tunnel, destroy people and tunnels that are out in the field. it's just another bomb. and i think people are sort of looking over the fact that it was dropped in a combat zone. a b-52 carrying 32 j-dam bombs
could have caused much more devastation with much more precision. the air force wanted to use this device, and they did. >> david fromm, the reports today, it wasn't just the british picking up something involving trump world and the russians, estonia, poland. it sounds like there was a lot to pick up. >> and the polls have particularly sophisticated intelligence service, and have been very interested in the ukraine case. poland and ukraine are neighbors with deep histical relaonships. poland contains many more consulates in ukraine than the united states does and it knows a lot about the career of paul manafort. that name would ring some very noisy alarm bells in warsaw. >> david corn, the way the -- we just heard the cia director talk about wikileaks compared to the way the president has talked about wikileaks. it's another one of those
congressional -- i don't know. that's crazy talk. but nevertheless, it is so absurd, you know, because at the same time donald trump still says this is all a hoax. >> malcolm nance, you have literally written the book about this, about the russian influence in this election and what they were up to. just give us your assessment about the last 24 hours of new informatio >> well, i'm afraid to say this is what separates intelligence officers from journalists, you know. i wrote this almost seven months ago now. that if you were ever going to get a scoop with relation to information coming out about the trump administration's activities related to foreign intelligence, it was going to come from a foreign intelligence agency. pretty sure that i said estonia would be the first one. because as we learned, they have very close ties with the united states and other allied nations. and they're very, very good at
certain types of special intelligence. that's what we call signals intelligence. and our sister gchq and dgsc in france, they have a vested interest in knowing what is going on there. on the other hand, it was very surprising to finally hear mike pompeo come out and declare wikileaks a nonstate hostile intelligence agency. i wrote a whole chapter in my book about how wikileaks was nonstate intelligence company and a subsidiary of the fsb. that being said, it's going to be fascinating for anyone who has now been found to cooperate with wikileaks. because this is essentially him verbalizing in an unclassified setting an intelligence finding that they were in league, not only with russian intelligence perhaps by extension, but now a designated nonstate hostile intelligence agency. it's going to make for some very, very interesting congressional investigations and trials. there. >> are people in the trump
tillerson admitted it. nikki haley admitted it. mike pompeo said it today. while roger stone is out there pushing conspiracy theorys on this network and others. so can they kind of act as if they're legitimate, even when they're working for a fellow who denies the original sin of this administration and still continues to say things that make no sense? >> i think the answer to that, david, would be from a moral point of view, maybe not. from a practical point of view, everybody has to be less fussy. >> malcolm nance, isn't it a question of what are they saying from this point forward? when you look at what tillerson was saying the week before the chemical attack in syria, he seemed like he hadn't even found his way around the office yet and didn't have the vaguest idea what a reasonable talking point sounded like on syria, saying he was going to leave it to, what,
haley as u.n. ambassador has been far ahead of even mcmaster and mattis. and the strength of her statements about russia and syria. and so now it appears that it's coming together at least on these two points, even though as i contend, the attack on syria was a complete wash. we didn't destroy anything. we didn't destroy chemical weapons. we just showed that we knew how to turn the key and launch cruise missiles. so i think that the white house in some respects is coming together. and if these threats and statements about north korea are true, as we're going to talk about a little later, they had better get their acts together. because this is the sort of talk that will bring this nation into war or to a crisis that will, you know, resemble the paces to war. >> david, when you talk about hemming in a president, that has been done in the past in a more subtle way. just the advisers would basically -- the experts in the areas of defense or whatever it was would present a set of possibilities.
only one of which looked possible and the others just weren't. and so that was always the traditional way if the advisers were trying to hem in the president. >> well, it is a more extreme way, which you'll rember from the history, james schlesinger in the last days of watergate telling the nuclear command by the way, i'm putting myself as secretary of defense into the nuclear command. if you get any funny orders from the president, just run them past me. >> this was when president nixon was up drunk late at night in the white house. >> taking pills. >> and approaching the point of being forced to resign. his said don't take any nuclear orders from him in the middle of the night. >> right. unless you cleared them with me. so presidents can be hemmed in. the question, how many weeks did that occur over? >> relatively short period of time. >> can you do it over four years? probably not. in the end, the president fires a all of these people. and one of the things that donald trump's displayed is, and he has done it now to his white
house staff, steve bannon and others, he doesn't like it when anyone near him gets too big. and right now mattis is very big, and tillerson is getting bigger, and nikki haley in particular is getting very big. how will the president feel about that tomorrow, next week, the week after that. >> david corn, isn't that a matter of how "saturday night live" treats it? if "saturday night live" says nikki haley is the brains of the trump white house, that's when the clock starts ticking? >> i would amend david's astute observation. it's not how people around donald trump getting big. it's how it's portrayed and perceived. and because that's really how he views the world. he views the world and how the world is viewing him. the reality doesn't matter as much. and if we talk about hemming in and mcmasters getting his hands around the national security council and mattis, we see it only takes trump seven seconds to say something or even less seconds to tweet something about north korea or something else that can be incredibly destabilizing. so you can hem in a guy to a certain degree.
but when he is up at 6:00 in the morning, i don't think mattis or mcmasters or even his wife are looking over his shoulders. so there still is a lot of instability there. >> should nbc have some kind of corporate ethics officer in the "saturday night live" writings room saying please don't say anything about nikki haley overnight. >> no, no corporate interference there. >> but maybe for the sake of the country they should. we don't want those jokes. >> they're all patriots at "snl." they're all patriots. >> that's right. they're right upstairs. david frum, a pleasure. coming up, nbc news exclusive reporting that the trump white house has a plan for a presumptive strike on north korea. and the democratic candidate in georgia in that special election for a house seat has a huge lead in the polls. that's a seat that has been republican for 38 years.
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the last few days we've seen a number of shifts by the american president. what should the american people make of the shifts? >> i think you can look at it what you're referring to as a shift in a lot of ways. if you look at what's happened, it's those entities the or individuals in some cases are issues evolving towards the president's position. [bullfighting music]
really another successful job. we're very, very proud of our military. just like we're proud of the folks in this room. we are so proud of our military. and it was another successful event. >> joining us now, the former ambassador to the african union. and deputy assistant secretary of state for african affairs. back with us, david corn. ambassador, i want to get your reaction to the bomb today. you studied the aftermath of bombings, especially as it affects the civilian casualties and other unintended consequences. what do you expect to find when we finally see the results of this bomb? >> well, lawrence, the first question is what was the target and why was the target necessary to be attacked with this particular weapon. and then the second question is what was the calculus that the military made with the regard to the potential impact of civilians in that area. the gbu-43, the so-called mother of all bombs is an 11-ton weapon that has blast effects that go well beyond a mile.
and it's frankly hard to imagine a circumstance on which you could drop a weapon like that without having any consequences whatsoever on civilians. so i'm very interested in asking the questions about what exactly was the target, and how did the military make the calculation that attacking that target would be worth whatever potential impact it would be on civilians. >> and ambassador, do you sense that in the decision to use this particular bomb, that there was an intent to deliver a message with it that this bomb delivers because malcolm nance has mentioned in the previous segment that you could have done the same destructive work with other devices. >> well, there certainly could be some sort of signaling or psychological impact on what the use of that weapon. although what would expect that that desired effect would have been taken into decision, if that were the case works have
been taken at a higher level. could be there were particular aspects about the contours of the target that were being attacked. but that's the problem. we don't know. for the unprecedented use of a weapon like this, there are certainly more questions than answers. and as they say, asking the question what exactly was a target that justified this kind of weapon is something i think we simply need to have a responsible. >> let's listen to what secretary of defense rumsfeld said when this bomb was first being brought online for the military and first being tested, he was asked about this new bomb. let's listen to this. >> is there a psychological component to this massive new bomb? there. >> is a psychological component to all aspects of warfare. the goal is to not have a war. the goal is to have the pressure be so great that saddam hussein cooperates. short of that, an unwillingness to cooperate, the goal is to have the capabilities of the coalition so clear and so
obvious that there is an enormous disincentive for the iraqi military to fight against the coalition. >> david corn, the bomb was available to the bush administration. it was available to the obama administration every day. they chose never to use it. and we have yet to find out exactly what went into the decision for the trump administration to use it, and whether the president even knew that it was beg ed before it was used. >> let's start with the principle, the assumption that the people who were bombed know they were bombed. and so nothing that happened is a secret to them. they know where they were. they know what happened. i think the american public is now owed similar information. as the ambassador said, what was the intended target, and did it hit the intended target? why was this weapon needed when other alternatives were not used? and you know, what can we learn about civilian casualties and collateral damage as they you have call it.
this one weapon, we can get maybe overly overwrought about it. but i still think since they used it for the first time these questions still should be answered. i don't see any reason why the american public can't get these simple answers. >> it's a $15 million bomb. ambassador bringingety, why did the bush administration, the obama administration decide never to use that bomb? >> there could be any number of reasons. one might be frankly that the particular tactical circumstances never presented themselves. and by that to be able to use a weapon that is -- that has that kind of blast radius, you would have do be very confident of one two of things. either that there would be virtually no civilians that
would be impacted by the blast, or that the target that you were attacking was of such profound military value that it would justify the sorts of civilian casualties that would result. so one could be that neither the bush administration nor the obama administration ever found themselves in that particular sort of circumstances. another could be that frankly, the weapon that is that large, it's hard to imagine environments short of dropping it on the moon that you would like not be likely to impact civilians. and frankly, what we may be seeing is frankly a very different set of calculus that are being taken by the trump administration as impact for civilian casualties and the willingness they're prepared to give to the military commanders to have that sorts of flexibility of decision making on the ground. >> how long will it take to get the after action report on this bomb? >> it depends.
it depends on how much access u.s. and coalition forces have to the area, whether there is a permissive environment that will allow that. frankly, it also depends on whether or not other hostile forces take their own crews in to make videos of potential civilian casualties for their own propaganda efforts. so we'll have to wait and see. >> we'll leave there it for tonight. david corn, thank you very much for joining us. ambassador brigety, we're going to need you for one more segment here. coming up, the reporting that the president trump administration has a plan for preemptive attack on north korea. but every administration has such an attack plan, has had such an attack plan on north korea. will this one be used?
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is it the fact that what nbc has picked up is the conditions under which the trump administration would be willing to use that plan? >> well, it's quite possible that now that e conditions have changed, north korea may in fact be either planning an atomic detonation, or some sort of surprise with regards to their intercontinental ballistic testing machine. just in case. the problem here with the trump administration is over the last two weeks they've used phrases from the secretary of state himself like "imminent threat ." those words that if china doesn't help us, we will go it alone. those words resonate. not just to the north koreans, but to everyone in the entire region that maybe this time the war plan the united states has is something that they're taking very seriously, and that they tend to intimidate north korea.
north korea doesn't intimidate very well, and that these words could have very, very serious dramatic action. >> let's listen to what former obama cia director and defense secretary leon panetta said about this tonight. >> there are no good options here. if we were to try to attack them, they would virtually wipe out seoul. and if it became a nuclear war, which is likely, millions of lives would be lost. and that's the reason we haven't pulled the trigger. >> ambassador brigety, is it possible, is there another possibility that if a weapons system was attacked in north korea from the united states, that north korea would simply take the hit, that they would just absorb the hit and not attack south korea? >> i have never heard of any analyst that follows the region that thinks that's a possibility.
we have is a very mercurial regime in pyongyang, particularly under this younger rur kim jongn, who has not only demonstrated his willingness to show belligerent through mill tests but willing to kill his own kin, as we saw by a successful assassination attempt by his half-brother in kuala lumpur. we certainly have uncertainty on the leadership on both sides of this equation, uncertainty with the leadership of kim jong un, and frankly, and respectfully uncertainty in regard to president trump who has demonstrated the ability to change 180 degrees, whether it be syria, on china, with regard to the irrelevance of nato, his view on profound pillars of the international system.
and that level of uncertainty on both sides of the equation is what is new in this particular circumstance, and frankly, what is so disconcerting. >> malcolm nance, if you war game this out for the president, he takes a preemptive strike against north korea. you have to then war game for the president what north korea is going to do. would there be anyone war gaming that in the pentagon or in the white house with any credibility saying that no south koreans would then be killed by north korea? >> well, yes. we've been red teaming this, war gaming this since 1953. and in every scenario, like the ambassador said, north korea, you know, they have this proclivity towards moving to the extreme. and for them sinking a vessel, coming out, you know, interdicting commercial and naval traffic throughout the sea of japan, or launching thousands of rockets into south korea,
that's the way they red team this game. they understand and they know that america knows that the only options here when given this, and this is why leon panetta was so distraught in his words is that they have the option of creating massive numbers of casualties. in south korea, whether it's going out and engaging on a military force. but let me tell you. one last thing. this isn't my usual area of expertise. you know, in the western pacific. however, there is one thing that i do know. north korea is so dug in with their weapon systems since the korean war, since 1953 when it ended that the only way you're going to get rid of that nuclear program is to burn it out with a nuclear bomb. and we are not going to carry out that type of attack. north korea now has demonstrated atomic weapons systems. and we don't know how their
delivery systems or whether they've been perfected. and they don't have to be perfected. they can put out out on a trawler in the sea of japan and detonate it and make things very unpleasant for japan and south korea. it's something we shouldn't even be discussing is now being discussed. >> we're going have to leave it there for tonight. malcolm nance gets the last word. ambassador brigety and malcolm nance, thank you for join us. coming up, coming up on tuesday in georgia, democrat jon ossoff has a big lead in that race. and he will join us next.
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a candidate for congress in georgia's sixth district this. district has been republican for 38 years. it was newt gingrich rich's district. tom price had an easy re-election there. but the striking thing there is donald trump won the district by only one point. how did that happen? tom price won by own 20, and donald trump on the same ballot took it by only one. >> thank you for having me. this community where i grew up is a moderate pragmatic district. economically minded. it recognizes that extremism is bad for business. i wasn't effective principled leadership. doestize identify as partisan or idea logical. i think that's why the president had a probable here. i'm focusing on local economic development and shared values in the community that bring people to go.
>> how much of an issue has the republican repeal of the affordable care act act -- how much has that been an issue in your district? >> it was of major concern. you are talking about a proposal to throw 24 million off of their health insurance back into the emergency room at taxpayer exsense. it also would have gutted the georgia based centers for disease control and prevention which helps the whole country. it was an unpopular bill here. so, too, as today's closed door signing of a bill attacking family planning and reproductive health been greeted with concern in this district. >> there has been a lot of outside help for you in this campaign. the fund is obviously surprising everyone. it is a massive amount of funding for a congressional campaign. were you surprised that you were able to attract that much campaign help? >> it has taken on a bit of a life of its own. i'm proud of the fact that it's small dollar grassroots fun
raising. the average an trick to my campaign is $42. when you have super pacs from washington coming in with cynical partisan attacks on candidates like me who are standing up against corruption and for a change in corruption i'm glad it's grassroots funding if no one clears 50% on tuesday. the runoff will be on june 20th. the early numbers suggest an outright win on tuesday is possible. either way we will be ready to fight and win if there is a runoff. >> in your strategy, do you have to hold some of your financial resources for that possible runoff and not go all out on advertising spending between now and tuesday?
>> we are doubling down right now on a win on tuesday, because it is within reach. the grassroots intensity in georgia is unlike anything that i've seen in this community before. there are thousands of volunteers knocking on doors and making phone calls. it's a hopeful and inspiring scene here in georgia. folks in the community are really standing up. it's a broad coalition ready for some fresh leadership and i think we have a great shot on tuesday of an outright win. >> this was not one those campaigns that you could plan, that you could look out two years out and say i think i'm going to go for that seat. this suddenly came up because there was suddenly a vacancy, donald trump surprises the world, wins the election, and then chooses your congressman for his cabinet. when did you decide to make a run for this seat? >> well, after the presidential election, i began to think about whether i needed to get more involved directly now. i asked i myself if not now, when, when i learned that my hometown congressman was vey kagtd i started looking at the race.
the moment i set my heart on it was after a meeting with john lewis. he told me i should run and that he would endorse me if i did and i walked out of that meeting with my mind made up. >> john ossoff, candidate for georgia's sixth congressional district. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. coming up, donald trump versus donald trump. you do all this research
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i'm going to instruct my treasury secretary to label china a currency manipulator, the greatest in the world. >> in an interview with the "wall street journal" mr. trump said his administration won't label china a currency manipulator late they are week. >> we are giving countries a free ride. nato is obsolete. it's old, it's fat. it's sloppy. and we are -- and it doesn't talk about terrorism. >> the secretary general and i had a productive discussion about what more nato can do in the fight against terrorism. i said it was obsolete. it's no longer obsolete. when i see a story about donald trump didn't fill hundreds and hundreds of jobs, that's because in many cases we don't want to fill those jobs. >> you have 600 open jobs though that you can appoint. what's going on -- >> a lot of those jobs i don't want to appoint because they are unnecessary to have i am waiting right now for so many people. hundreds and hundreds of people.
reagan. >> the repeal and replace obamacare act. >> inpenetrable, physical,tall, powerful, beautiful, southern border wall. >> we will cancel every illegal obama executive order. >> but though republicans control the white house and both chambers of commerce, they have failed to pass any significant piece of legislation. the obamacare repeal republicans promised for seven years was yanked from the house floor. and the treasury secretary has pushed the deadline for tax reform from the summer to the end of the year. the president's one big accomplishment, the confirmation of supreme court justice neil gorsuch was largely delivered by senate leader mitch mcconnell. in a new nbc news wall street journal poll, confidence has eroded. even on the attributes where he performed best. he's down by seven points since february on being firm and decisive, down six on changing business as usual in washington,
that's what we have the white house for. >> and joining me now, president trump's chief of staff reince priebus. welcome back to the show. >> thank you for having me. >> good to have you here. the president did tweet this, on friday, no matter how much i accomplish during the ridiculous standard ohe first 100 days, it has been a lot, including sc, media will kill. and maybe that will be a response to my question here. just before the election, i want to put a -- he made these legislative promises in the first 100 days, tax reform, offshoring of jobs, infrastructure, school choice, health care, child care, immigration, ethics reform. more funding for the military and dealing with crime and drugs. all of them supposed to be legislative action that was announced, not necessarily the expectation that anybody passed. but only one of those legislative priorities has even come close to a vote. health care. why does he say it is a ridiculous standard and yet promise all this action before
leading pundits have said is inexcusable, which is to hold up one nominee after the next to fill secretary positions, wait a second -- >> no, no, no. these are nominated. you haven't nominated. you have slowed down. if you had 190 nominations -- >> let me finish. i know what the question is, let me finish. even on david shulkin who passed 100 to 0 in the senate, schumer still took up to 30 hours of debate. i'll get to that. we have hundreds of people in the queue. here is what happens when you slow down the nominations. when you slow down a nomination, you can't actually clearomeone for a nomination into the senate. so when you talk about who we have for assistant of secretary at hud or the state department, those people have been chosen. when you choose one of those people, the process is you have to send that person to og clearance, office of government ethics clearance and they have to get an fbi background check. you can't get the clearance for 30 or 40 days after you choose
the person. those people are in queue. when they get clearance, they get sent to the senate. we're behind because of unbelievable obstruction from u.s. senators that are acting inappropriately. >> i don't understand how the democrats have anything to do with who you nominate? >> the president said, you look at a guy like rex tillerson. the president said the secretary of state has direct authority over the people he chooses to fill the positions within the department of state. if rex tillerson gets picked -- he gets submitted back in december, he doesn't get confirmed until later in the year or, for example, we have a secretary of commerce that was -- that was chosen in november, not confirmed until february, that person is going to take the time to choose who his undersecretaries are, those undersecretaries that are chosen need 30 days to go through clearance. >> i got to move on -- >> this is very easy. >> it doesn't make a lot of sense. >> how doesn't it make sense? you don't have a nominee --
>> you don't have these folks aren't preparing for their own staff to who they're going to decide to bring in office. let me move on here. let me ask you about the government shutwn, run out of money, if a bill isn't passe by the end of the week, your budget director said you want a down payment on the border wall in the government funding bill. if you don't get it, will the president veto the government funding bill? >> we're already -- we already have seen progress in regard to getting money for border security within the cr. i'm pretty confident we're going to get something that is satisfactory to the president in regard to border security within -- >> may not be the wall itself? >> it will be enough -- it will be enough in the negotiation for us to move forward with either the construction or the planning or enough for us to move forward through the end of september to get going on the border wall and border security in regard to -- >> speaker ryan signed off on this saying it is not going to gum up getting this funding bill
done? >> no. we expect the priorities of the president to be reflective in the cr. so we expect a massive increase in military spending. we expect money for border security in this bill. and it ought to be. because the president went overwhelmingly and -- >> are you okay -- are you okay if the money is not designated specifically for the border wall. if it is zeg zdesignated for bo security. >> as long as we get moving with an increase in military spending and rebuilding of our military as he promised in one of your bullet points and there is enough as far as flexibility for the border wall and border security, i think we'll be okay with it. we're still negotiating this weekend with the appropriators in the house and the senate. >> health care, do you have to have a vote this week, are you comfortable if speaker ryan says i need more time to find the votes. >> i would like to have a vote this week. i think the leadership knows we
would like a vote this week. on monday, we're still going to be here working for the american people. whether health care repeal and replace comes on friday or saturday, or on monday, and the grand scheme of things, you know, it is a marathon, not a sprint. we're hopeful for this week. but, again, it is not something that has to happen in order for it to define our success. >> has the president taken sides in the french election, officially -- is he unofficially hoping marie le pen gets in the runoff? >> not at all. he is going to support whoever the winner is, we have a long-term relationship that is historical, with the french people and the french government. and no matter who wins, that relationship is going to continue. >> he's not -- his tweet should not be interpreted as him showing preference for le pen? >> not at all. he may have some opinions as far as who he thinks might win, but certainly doesn't have a preference. >> and finally, on mar-a-lago -- >> other than a right of center person who believes in free markets. >> can i ask you this? it costs you $200,000 to be a
member of mar-a-lago, shouldn't the american people know about anybody that bought a membership to one of those two clubs where they could get access to you when you're with the president on a work trip or the president himself, shouldn't the american people know who those people are, if they bought memberships since the president took office? >> i don't think it is -- this is a private business, a private organization, a private club. i don't think that has anything to do -- >> somebody decides this is best way to get access to you or the president, there is nothing the american people can do about it. >> one thing the american people know about president trump is that he is the boss. and, you know, people -- if you saw in the new york times article today, they listed out 20 different people that have all this access, some folks, president doesn't even talk to. but the president talks to a lot of people. doesn't change his ultimat views. if you go on youtube and look at trade in the 1980s and 1990s, this ishe same person today, he's no different. so while a lot of people like to talk about and argue about who
is talking to president trump and who is influencing him to make decisions, it is donald trump. it is his agenda, always his agenda and always will be his agenda. over time, people are going to see he's a guy that will deliver to the american people, putting america first, and making the future better for and across the country. >> reince priebus, i'll leave it there. a busy week ahead of you. government will stay open? >> i believe it will. >> all right. we'll hold you to it. thank you, sir. joining me now is the democratic leader in the house, nancy pelosi of california, leader pelosi, welcome back to "meet the press." >> good morning. my pleasure to be with you, from texas. >> let me ask you, since you are in a -- coming from a state that might be impacted by a border wall, is there any scenario that you will support or that democrats will help keep the government open if there is money designated to build the wall? >> the democrats do not support the wall. and i think the republicans on the border states do not support
the wall. the republicans have the votes in the house and the senate. and the white house to keep government open. the burden to keep it open is on the republicans. the wall is in my view immoral, expansive, unwise, and when president says i promised a wall during my campaign, i don't think he said he would pas billions of dollars of cost of the wall on to the taxpayer. >> let me ask you this, the budget director of the united states said elections have consequences, republicans are in charge. as you just pointed out. there are some democratic spending priorities you want to push for including help make sure that while obama care is still law, it is fully functioning. what is wrong with giving the president his money for a border wall and in exchange for a priority that is not his, keeping obamacare fully functional and funded. as a priority that is important to you. what is wrong with that kind of horse trading in washington? >> what is wrong with it, that
scenario, is the wall. the president talks about how tall it is, who is going to pay for it and all the rest of that. you have to understand this part of the country. there is a community with a border going through it. the president, i think, talking about this wall is expressing a sign of weakness. he's saying i can't control our borters. i have to build a wall. we certainly would like to -- we as a -- have a responsibility to control our borders. building a wall is not an answer, not here, or any place. >> let me move on to the state of the democratic party now. i think there is obviously depends on where you sit on the georgia result, on whether it is a good thing or bad thing for the party, but let me ask you this. is the energy inside the democratic party a bit overstated if john gets the same number that hillary clinton got in that district? >> not at all. hillary clinton is a famous person, running for president of the united states in a high
profile election. john is running in an off year elecon. low turnout and the rest. the enthusiasm for him, young man, georgetown, 2009, very proud of that, and really just someone who has attracted personally such support. he made a remarkable showing. it is about him and the commitment he has made to the people of that district. >> let me ask you -- what should unify the democratic party? what should make somebody a democrat and not a democrat? i ask it in this way. there has been a lot of back and forth, especially among abortion right activists about a decision of the democratic party to support a candidate for mayor in omaha, a democrat, who happens to be pro life. and there are some that, at some point, the democratic national committee chairman actually had to put out the following statement, after three days of back and forth, he said, i
fundamentally disagree with heath mellow's personal beliefs about women's reproductive health. it is a promising step that the candidate now shares the democratic party's position on women's fundamental rights. each candidate should do the same because every woman should be able to make her own health choices, period. >> why don't you interview tom perez. >> can you be a democrat and the support of the democratic party if you're pro-life? >> of course. i have served many years in congress with members who have not shared my very positive, my family would say, aggressive position on promoting a woman's right to choose. but what you asked the first part of the question before you went off was about what unifies democrats. and what unifies -- people say all the time, you do such a good job unifying the house democrats. i say, i don't. our values unify us. we are unified with our commitment to america's working families.
job creation, about budget policies that invest in the future. good paying jobs. and that's what we would like to see a debat on, vis-a-vis the president of the united states. he promised jobs. show us the jobs. where is his infrastructure bill? there are many promises made, promises broken, and here is the thing, where is the infrastructure bill. president was supposed to have a strong infrastructure bill coming up. infrastructure bill is one of the biggest secrets in washington, d.c. second only to the president's not showing us his tax returns. we need to see those so we can see how his tax policy will affect his own tax situation. we need to see them, so we can see what is the hold that the russians have on him politically, financially, and personally. >> let me -- >> this is about -- this is about job creation, job creation for the middle class, and working families who aspire to it, that's what unifies
democrats. >> very quickly, i want to show two clips of tv ads that were run against democrats in georgia and montana. take a look. >> nancy pelosi's liberal agenda put america $20 trillion in debt and jon ossoff is on her side. >> rob quist talks folksy, but his record is more nancy pelosi than montana. can you trust quist and pelosi with your money? >> are you at all concerned that you could play an outsized role, that if you're more unpopular in a specific district you could contribute to the loss of a democrat? >> well, when republicans put forth these ads it shows the bankruptcy of their own initiatives. they should be -- voters in their district want to know what they are going to do for them. but since you brought item, a u i'm glad you did, i think it is important for voters to know who the candidates will be voting with. will they be voting with paul ryan who wants to eliminate the
guarantee of medicare? who has voted to privatize social security who is there to dismantle medicaid? and so it is not a question of the person, just as it isn't about the president. it is a question of the policy. so if you want to vote for someone like paul ryan, for speaker, and that is a vote to dismantle medicaid, a vote to eliminate the guarantee of medicare, medicare is a guarantee. you take away the guarantee, you eliminate medicare as we know it. and to move on to private -- by the way, that -- those views are shared by the president's appointees to his cabinet. >> i will leave it there. i have more questions, but never enough time. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your views, coming from texas. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, russia, syria, north korea and elections in france. how is president trump doing on foreign policy? going to talk to somebody who is
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on it every day. so we're watching literally every day he is up, down, on the side. we're seeing lots of trends. i think it's fair to say of those that support the president, they're event horizon is longer, they're taking the long view. i didn't find the poll today to be that dramatic. i kind of thought after the first 100 days he had, not so bad. the big thing was in the tape opening the show. neil gorsuch worked brilliantly, went straight through. implications for a generation. big win. failure legislatively of the health care, obama care replacement. a bit disastrous. now i think what is most threatening at the end of 100 days is the sense of confusion. is the white house talking to congress? is there a tax bill being put together. a sense of wow, what is going on here. >> i was shocked by those numbers.
you look at these unprecedented numbers in a honeymoon period, there is time to recover, but historically no, we don't have their numbers getting better after the honey moon period. majority of americans don't think he's accomplished very much. 44% polarity think that he is less effective than other presidents, and you have a real erosion of his brand, some of his brand and decisiveness and strength. all of those numbers are down, chuck, and if i'm the white house, i'm looking and i'm shocked. and the 25% honesty number, we have never seen that before. let me point to something that you eded to here, paul cain, you will enjoy this. he writes this about the idea of what issue. the model of strategic chaos, worked well in the campaign, but in government it doesn't work. there is a good chance that the week ahead becomes a lot of sound and theory.
but not much productivity. >> that is the issue, and bob can speak to it better than i can, but is he talking to congress? do they have a legislative path out there? it is kind of shocking, but nothing is shocking any more that on friday he says a big tax reform deal, and according to reports surprised even people in the administration. that gets me back to the 100 days of the obama administration or frankly any administration. they say don't hold us to this stupid standard. these 100 days. count it as another flip-flop, but it is ridiculous standard. too bad for him he embraced it all through the campaign up until and including when neil gorsuch was sworn in and he said this was in 100 days. >> they're all grumbling. they're trying to move on taxes, health care, and trying to keep
the government funded. on health care the white house is negotiating with the hardline freedom caucus. on tax reform, they're probably just looking at tax cuts. and government funding, that alone is a major issue for this coming week. >> peggy, let's say -- i heard flexible in reince. he was very careful what he said about the border wall. border security. it was clear to me he would never say the word wall. >> they don't want to add to their problems in the government shut down. it would make no sense for anybody. i don't think that will happen. can i say however that part of the context here, you mentioned it is extraordinary that mr. trump has these numbers in these honeymoon, i don't think he ever had a honeymoon. this was brace yourself.
it was nutty from the beginning. and it is a most historical moment and i will just say it doesn't compare well poll wise with other previous moments, that's all i will say. >> i think that is fair, but we're in a unique unpopular president. he has not been helping and expanding his base. his base is sticking with him, but we agree that he needs to expand that. >> okay, we will pause the conversation, we have a lot to get to. we'll get to it after the break. when we come back, the president's record on foreign policy and we'll speak with senator marco rubio on that in florida. foreign foreign policy and we'll speak with yeah, at first i thought it was just the stress of moving. [ sighs ] hey, i was using that. what, you think we own stock in the electric company? i will turn this car around right now! there's nobody back there.
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policy, i want to talk about two former colombian presidents going to mar-a-lago, having some sort of meeting with president trump, all over the controversial peace deal between the rebel groups farc and current elected colombian government. the questions are about how did they get this meeting with the president? who set it up? "the miami herald" said you were involved in setting it up. you since denied it. >> no, you'll have to ask the white house if there was even a white house, and the former presidents. one who is now is sitting senator. i met with foreign heads of state in my travel abroad. i'm not sure what the big deal was. you'll have to ask them.
i didn't even know they were in florida. >> is it something the u.s. government should play a role in deciding whether or not this deal is approved or not in colomb colombia? >> no, that belongs to the vote in columbia. they have elections in that country and it was accountable to those people there. that's not our issue. what part of it are we being asked to pay for. i have concerns about us, american funds winding up in the hands of farc or former farc officials. i have concerns about farc officials becoming members of congress. those are the things i care about. but ultimately our relationship with colombia is an important one, one i strongly and will continue to strongly support. it is a democracy. their leaders make decisions. that's an internal matter for them. >> i want to move on here. i want to -- curious, your colleague, democratic colleague, on the intelligence committee, mark warner, said this earlier
this week of trump's foreign policy. in beijing, moscow, tehran, they are recalibrating their strategies, they don't have any idea how trump will respond. that might be great in the short-term. but it is not really a long-term strategy for asserting leadership in a world desperate for american leadership. do find anything to disagree with senator warner on that? >> well, i disagree in the sense that i guess from that statement it implies there isn't going to be a long-term strategy. i know there is and they're working on it and they have great people working on it. the national security council is going back to the appropriate role, like an internal think tank that designs big strategyive objectives. friday i had a conversation with the folks at the security council about the western hemisphere and their strategy toward it. we had a lot of debates over the last few years about tactics. what is important to understand is you need a strategy and tactics should be driven by the strategy. and i know they're working through it. and i do not anticipate that a year from now, you're going to be able to state same thing and
if we are, that will be obviously opportune for criticism. i don't think that's where we're going to be. >> on this reversal on whether it is nato, the issue of currency manipulation, decision to strike syria, these reversals are in some ways probably comforting to you, on the specifics. but how do you know he won't reverse himself again. if -- do you just take more comfort in the fact he's coming to the status quo, or are you concerned he could flip again? >> i said this during the campaign. i think when you're running for president, someone who never held elected office, there is one set of things you may view the world through, the lens you may view the world through. you get elected and get good people and those people bring you the facts, here is what is going on, here are the options, here is what happens if you did this, when you do that. that reality begins to assert itself and you have to react to that you're the president. no longer a candidate, not a pundit, you have to make decisions that have real impact and consequence. i think that's what you're
seeing here. >> you think moving away from the isolationist rhetoric and tendencies as a candidate. >> i think he's dealing with the reality of our options oftentimes on foreign policy are not a choice between a good one and bad one. you're trying to figure out which is the least harmful of the two. i think that's something we should be encouraged by. not something we should be critical of. this whole flip-flop thing is a political thing, something people use in campaigns. in every other aspect of our life, people change their minds or make different decisions when presented with a set of facts that are different from what they thought. why should that not be the case, especially for something as important as the presidency. >> does that mean you'll never run a flip-flop ad against an opponent never again? >> i didn't hear -- >> i'm half teasing, but if you're saying you'll never use flip-flopping to attack an opponent again. >> depends on the opponent. >> fair enough. let me ask about the french elections. it appears that both president
trump and former president obama have expressed a preference unofficially if you will. you talked about, look, you're a senator, you meet with foreign leaders, you have an opinion. is there a point that goes too far? >> i haven't heard the president express a preference. i heard the belief that the terrorists attacks may help a particular candidate. the people of france will decide it. i doubt whether my opinion or the president's opinion or the former president's opinion is going to have an influence over how they vote. there will be a runoff and a runoff between two candidates, looks like, very different points of view, and then the french people wi make a decision and we'll need to react to that one way or the other in terms of how it impacts our relationship with them. but i'm not sure that the views of an american policymaker will have much sway. >> you're the chairman of the intelligence committee, richard burr said there is a lot of evident that the russians are playing a role in the french election, in the same way they did in the u.s. election.
are you investigating that as well in the intelligence committee, this overall role that the russians are trying to do in western democracies beyond the united states? >> i think there is plenty of open source reporting to reach that conclusion and the french will tell you that. i was in france two months ago and they said they're involved particularly in undermining macron, the independent candidate running there. and they're trying to prop up le pen. that is open source as well. taking out massive loans to fund her campaign and political operations. as far as the general behavior of the russians, sure, that's something we're focused on in both foreign relations and in the intelligence committee on an ongoing basis. that's not new. that's always. let me say that -- i don't think i had any doubt that the active measures have existed for a long period of time. they have been weaponized to a greater extent over the last two or three years because of the ability to use the internet and
fake media. multiple committees are looking at that. >> marco rubio, would love to have gotten to more, but time is of the essence. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. >> thanks. >> good to talk to you. coming up, you've probably seen this picture of the new england patriots at the white house this week. a lot was made over who wasn't there, including a number of african-american players. how fans of different sports view president trump. and this question, in which of these two places are you most likely to find trump supporters? we'll be right back. e pollen co, flonase allergy relief keeps your eyes and nose clear. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. for relief beyond the nose. flonase. welcome to holiday inn! ♪ ♪ whether for big meetings or little getaways,
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fans who are most opposed to president trump's travel ban. by the way, nascar fans are the most in favor. so what does your fan dom say about your politics? if you're a basketball fan, chances are you are a democrat, more likely to live in a major urban or suburban center. nascar fan, probably part of president trump's base? more likely to be or live in rural, southern or conservative america. and most surprising, it is football. it has the broadest fan base and looks the most like america now. it is slightly leans democratic, which may make some sense given hillary clinton slightly won the popular vote. all of it is great news for political reporters. why? especially if you're a football fan. the best way to measure president trump's support this fall, may just simply be to show up at football stadiums. you know that that means? we'll be taking "meet the press" to lambeau. little frozen tundra action. when we come back, what is more important to democrats, economic justice or abortion rights? it is actually a big fight inside the party now. and good old bernie sanders is
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new republic, why bernie sanders tour failed. why is the chairman of the democratic party appearing with somebody who is not a democrat? >> well, because they share a lot of the democrat? >> because they share the same ideals and values. there is disconconnect of what you will see between the grass roots uprising and the energy on the left, and you know, p.p. put out a poll this week showing an 11-point enthusiasm for the democrats, but there is a disconnect, and the democratic party, and the dnc in particular has to work hard to reach out and bring in some of the younger voters and not necessarily democratic voters, but obama voters and bring them back n and it is not an easy job. >> and they are fighting over the omaha mayor. tom perez spent his entire week having to backtrack on it. you heard nancy pelosi, no, no, no, we welcome pro-life democrats. >> tom perez takes the position that is something close to a
purity test or litmus test saying if you want to be a democrat you have to hold these pro-choice views. nancy pelosi didn't go there. democrats have to work out these politics for themselves. they're going through something the republicans have gone through and arguably are still going through where you have the grassroots, all the energy is on the far left, just as on the right the energy's on the far right. but are you going to win elections like that? that's the big question. >> there's donor/voter split, too, peggy. >> it is the real story. i mean, if i can put it this way, those who profit from abortion or health services, women's health services, however you put it, they give a lot of money to the democratic party. democratic party should say thank you very much, but you know what, we're going back to be a big tent party, broad on social issues like this. we are declaring to with your heart, if you truly feel that you can be -- that you are pro-life, you want to be
pro-life and a democrat, go for it. the democratic party has i think been hurt very badly in terms of its national reputation with this narrow sort of you can't be in our party if you don't hold the right views on abortion. it would be a brilliant political move if they opened up. >> the challenge for the democrats, and i saw this up close when i was in atlanta this week covering the special house election, is how to win over suburban voters, some of these moderate republicans and inpendents in places like chamblee, georgia, where there are young professional going to starbucks, young parents and they're maybe skittish about president trump. at the same time, though, if the democrats want to win over and win back wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan, they need that bernie sanders populism energy. so it is a balance a hehead in 2018, the suburban outreach versus the populist pitch. >> southern suburbia is the battleground for american politics in 2018. >> it is, and the democrats -- really quickly, in 2006 when we had a sea change election, we had a lot of pro-choice
democrats. >> you mean pro-life. >> pro-life democrats. that's going -- this is an absurd argument for the democratic party to be having now. if democrats are going to have success in these districts where you have, you know, an affluent, college-educated white group of voters, because those are the voirts quite frankly, hillary did better among them and donald trump did worse. if you look at kansas and georgia, there's a double-digit swing and from republican to democrat. now, there's still republican districts and i think we'll do well in georgia, but this ten-point swing should be really troubling going into the midterm. >> we saw in 2010 there were a lot of fights inside the republican party on purity, and while there were fights inside the republican party, it didn't take away from the bigger win, and maybe that's what democrats end up with, they all have a fight and win. >> i just think it's better for the country when each party looks like it stands for something serious for some big
things but they're not narrow and they're not bought. >> i agree. please, can someone speak up for the radical middle here? i think it's great if we have competitive districts that could swing back via election. >> swing voters, you want them back? >> i want them back. >> when the republicans won all these state legislatures in 2010 they lost a lot of their farm team. looking ahead, who are the candidates? where is the recruitment? >> if you shut the door, then you limit maybe people who want to come and run. >> and the gerrymander conversation. >> we will talk to dr. mander at some point. we're back in 45 seconds with "end game" and "the o'reilly factor". what does the departure of bill o'reilly and roger ails mean for the conservative movement going forward?
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think sexual harassment took it right on the chin with the fall of bill o'reilly and i'm happy about it. >> there are some that say that all that money means he didn't pay a price. >> you mean the money he got -- >> the payout. the golden chute for it. >> if you are against sexual harassment, you have to take your victories where you can. i'll quote peggy too. she said pigishness is not conservative. we have to get past where being against sexual harassment -- >> is somehow part of the political correctness -- >> some partisan category. can we just be against it? i think to quote peggy again, i think that's what the victory was this week. >> you cannot, though, not look at what's going on over at fox and say, look, bill o'reilly and roger ailes, jim pinkerton writes a provocative article at breitbart. he essentially said they understand how to talk to the trump voter before trump figured it out and now they're not there. >> when you look at barry goldwater and so many conservatives coming up with ronald reagan in the '60s, '70
'80s, the republican party, conservatives were ideological. it's become in many parts because of fox news a grievance politics oriented movement, more about political correctness railing against the media than any kind of ideology, and that's where the republican party has found its trouble in recent years. it doesn't have this cohesive ideology anymore. >> and the question is will that be there anymore. i wish we had more time, but we don't. sorry. before we go, you'll get it on twitter, i promise, we'd like to mention that new york women in communications are going to honor my pal over here, savannah guthrie, tomorrow weather the matrix award. >> thank you. >> other winners have included meryl streep and gwen ifill. congratulations. >> thank you. >> that's all we have for today. we'll be back next week. thanks for coming in. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >> you can see more "end game
casualties. there has, in fact, been a surge in reported civilian casualties in the u.s. air campaign against the so-called islamic state. and under trump, a massive increase in u.s. drone strikes, more broadly, almost one every two days according to the council on u.s. foreign relations. today, tragically, marked the third time this month a u.s.-led air strike may have killed civilians or even our allies, with 18 syrian fighters alied with the u.s. killed in a coalition air strike in syria. the pentagon blamed partner forces. that news comes on the heels of last week's air strike in syria and now today the decision to launch the mother of all bombs. and we are just 84 days into the trump administration. i'm joined by steve schmidt larry corb. larry, i'm going to go to you first because there is a very strange donald trump relationship to the military. he claimed during the came papa
that you knew more about the generals, that he was smarter about isis, now he's in office he's outsourced everything to them. what do you make of that contact. >> president trump is going to have it both ways. he's outsourcing to them and if something goes wrong, he will blame them. and he's also making a very tragic mistake as you pointed out here with the number of civilian casualties. that's why you need a civilian to oversee what the military wants. i don't blame the military. i remember when i used to fly for the navy, you'd want to, you know, go after the enemy. you've got to have somebody who looks at the civilian casualties. for him to say he did not know about dropping this so-called mother of all bombs, basically if i can paraphrase general mcmaster's book, that's a dereliction of duty. the first time you drop that bomb, the president's got to be involved. >> steve, i'm not sure which would be worse, if he didn't know about it at all and just outsourced and let them do it, or if he knew about it and won't
very clear that he was going to step up militarily the pressure against isis, and isis is a deadly foe, dangerous. there's no room for negotiation here. they need to be destroyed, and i think you see an increasing tempo of strikes in order to do that. >> it's interesting you mentioned a red line because it seems that the administration was trying to establish two red lines at once. we have the one to steve's point, larry, against isis. but then you have this second one against north korea, which we know is going to apparently do some sort of demonstration against themselves. this is leon panetta on "hardball," talking about the seeming other kind of threat that donald trump is sort of vaguely making that if china can't handle north korea, we would somehow do it. this is leon panetta earlier tonight. >> the fact is we're dealing with a nuclear-powered nation. if we were to try to attack them, they would virtually wipe
out seoul and 20 million people who live in seoul. and if it became a nuclear war, which is likely, millions of lives would be lost. and that's the reason we haven't pulled the trigger. the fact is we've used both containment and deterrence as a princil licy here. i think frankly in the end, that's what we're left with whether we like it or not. and frankly it was containment and deterrence that ultimately resulted in the soviet union self-destru self-destructing. >> larry, you worked in the reagan administration. that was reagan's doctrine, containment. can donald trump successfully maintain this hyperaggressive posture against north korea and this red line against isis at the same time? >> you hope so because they are totally different. north korea as secretary panetta said, they have artillery 20 to 30 miles from seoul, and they could literally, you know, with these thousands of artillery strikes wipe out 20 million people. that's without even using their
some of what trump is doing is trying to get the approval that he gets from using the military, the sort of love from the media he gets, the sort of respite from the ridicule and attacks on his other aspects of his agenda by using the military sort of as a way to boost himself? >> so i think we saw during the campaign is that donald trump has this remarkable intuition, this native intelligence almost on how to please the crowd, how to get the applause. i think it's innate to who he is as a marketer, as a communicator. we live in an era where trust in public institutions in this country has completely collapsed across the board. i think it's one of the defining crises in america of our time with one exception, and that's the united states military, which has risen in the eyes of the american people. and i think from my perspective, you look at someone who has the radical world view of a steve bannon, the antagonism to the
u.s.-led liberal, global order that presidents from truman through obama, whether they were republicans or democrats all bought irninto. i think people like mcmaster, mattis, extremely well read, prepared. as douglas macarthur pointed out in his farewell address, it's the soldier who hates war more than others because he's seen the terrible cost of it. i'm reassured by the presence of these mainstream figures around donald trump. mcmaster, mattis, and donald trump is right. the united states military is one of the most remarkable institutions in the world. it's hyper-competent. it's efficient, and i think that he likes the glow being associated with it that it gives him. >> yeah. i think the concern that a lot of people have, though, of course is that we have a civilian-led government, and donald trump has put together almost an aware of military leaders and has essentially said
they're running things. and you should be reassured by them, not by the president of the united states. i thk that's disturbing to a lot of people. thank you both >> thank you. > coming up, having rekdled his interest in repealing and replacing obamace, donald trump has come out with a new tactic, threatening to sabotage obamacare and leave millions of americans holding the bag. how democrats are fighting back after this two-minute break. h y. try new flonase sensimist instead of allergy pills. h y. it's more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist you may not even notice. using unique mistpro technology, new flonase sensimist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances that cause your symptoms. most allergy pills only block one. and six is greater than one. break through your allergies. new flonase sensimist
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quite, obamacare is dead next month if it doesn't get that money. i haven't made my viewpoint clear yet. i don't want people to get hurt. what i think should happen and what will happen is the democrats will start calling me and negotiating. democrats are countering, however, with some threats of their own. accords to "the washington post," democratic leaders determined to use their leverage in the upcoming fight to force the trump administration to make the payments. the president's handling of the first health care bill has been the only thing so far to have a real impact on his approval rating and not in a good way. now he's going back for more and he's threatening to drag the rest of his party down with him. with congress on recess, town halls are back in full swing. just like last time, health care is at the top of the agenda. >> i talkedo hlth insurance companies,which, by the way, we only have one in the state that will write these policies. one. if you live in eastern tennessee, you don't have anybody. most states right now have one.
>> i'm a registered republican in your house district. i'm sorry to say i was shocked that you declared your intention to vote for the american health care reform act, the so-called trumcare bill and to replace the affordable care act or obama care. that's not the way we do things here in colorado. >> it's sad to see these premium increases that are going up. we're living rite now under obamacare. it's the law of the land. it's the law of the land, and you can thank obamacare -- you can thank obamacare for these huge -- [ audience shouting ] that's why we need to repeal and replace obamacare. >> -- sit down with the democrats and fix the affordable
care act. [ cheers and applause ] i want this repeal crap to stop. [ cheers and applause ] >> i'm joined now by senator brian schatz, democrat from hawaii. senator, you know it's been interesting. you look at the town halls and you see that people are showing up clearly angry and terrified frankly that they're going to lose their health care. on the other hand, you have people like congressman dave bratt. i believe he's from washington state, who is positively giddy about the idea of repealing the affordable care act, saying it's a conservative principle. 50 laboratories, 50 experiments going on simultaneously. you can see what works and what doesn't work. he's talking about ending community rating, ending the requirement that states that insurance companies have to not charge older people more than they charge younger people, ending those requirements in the packages. i don't understand what republicans think people want, but do you detect any desire out
there to go back to that old system? >> well, i think that they spent so much time using obamacare as a foil, that they forgot to formulate a policy. so here they are in charge of both chambers, in charge of the executive branch, and it all fell apart really quickly. actually without our intervention as democrats. we didn't have the votes to intervene. they didn't approach us to intervene, and yet it all collapsed within because they were lying for the last seven years. the truth is that what donald trump and many other republicans said for many, many election cycles is you could get rid of the bad stuff and keep all the good stuff. but the truth is that to the extent that the bad stuff is revenue, you need that revenue for taking care of people with pre-existing conditions, for community rating, for people being able to stay on their parents' plans until they're 26 years old. so all of the things -- all of the protections in the affordable care act had to be
arranged by virtue of revenue and by virtue of regulations. and now that they don't have president obama as a foil, this thing fell apart, and it fell apart quickly. so you still have 20 or 30 members of the house who are so ideological that they're willing to inflict pain on their constituents, but the rest of them are just running scared, trying how to figure out how to fulfill a campaign promise that nobody wants them to fulfill anymore. >> you know, you've had now senator ron widen come out and say we're not going to negotiate with hostage takers. that was the quote in "the washington post." ron wyden saying not going to negotiate with trump if he's trying to take hostages. but behind the scenes, would democrats cut a deal with the white house if trump dropped repeal and said, okay, let's do an obamacare fix instead and call that trumpcare? you think democrats would go for that? >> it's a good question. i think there's two things. first of all, to the extent that donald trump is threatening to withhold money from insurance companies which will harm individuals across the country,
which will make hospitals and hospital systems fall apart, if his threat is essentially, i'm going to inflict pain on people and destroy the american health care system, or i'll do it with you, we're not going to negotiate under any circumstances like that. now, what we have said all along is if they officially drop their proposals to destroy the affordable care act and we talk about iterating legislation and working on a bipartisan basis, everybody knows aca doesn't work perfectly. but everybody also knows that for any major social legislation, that you iterate it over years, whether it's the social security act, the medicare act, whatever it may be, the clean air, the clean water act. you have updates to that law. this is one of the very few major social changes that had no updates into the statute, which is why it's a little clunky. if they want to get back to legislating in good faith, we are more than open to that. but they have to drop repeal from their vocabulary.
>> and how far are democrats willing to go? if donald trump withdraws from -- this was essentially a lawsuit that the house republicans brought, saying that the subsidies to these insurance companies were unconstitutional. at the moment, it's on appeal. trump could just say, we're not going to fight it anymore. we're just going to stop paying. how far would democrats go? would they allow those subsidies to go away in order to stand to this position of not participating in repeal? >> look, this is donald trump's decision. i think he's threatening the american people. i think he's also threatening the legislative branch. one thing that he hasn't figured out is that legislators don't like to be bullied. you know, he's not in real estate anymore. he's sort of trying to treat members of the united states senate, who are former governors and admirals and astronauts and, you know, tv stars, and people with substantial egos and substantial support in their home states. they cannot be bullied. they will not be bullied, and this idea that you can sort of treat members of congress, a
co-equal branch of government, as though we're sort of a subcontractor in a real estate deal that he wants to stiff, it's one of the reasons that he's been such a failure so far as a president, is he doesn't understand that we have three co-equal branches of government and that the legislature -- the legislative branch is not going to be shoved around. so especially on this, we're not gointo allow him to hold the erican people, the american health care system hostage and negotiate under those terms. now, if he wants to improve the affordable care act, we're all in. >> yep. it is a co-equal branch of government. i think donald trump might be learning some civics 101 in his 84 days as president. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> let's bring in jonathan cohn who covers health care for "the huffington post." jonathan, i think that last point is very important. you have senators who have their own egos. they have their own power bases. it's not as if they're going to respond to bullying. but more than that, they couldn't get blamed according to the new polling if health care goes awry. it's not democrats who would
take the blame. it would be donald trump and republicans. kaiser health did a poll. 61% say the president and republicans in congress are now in control of the government. they're responsible for any problems with it moving forward. i don't understand the politics of threatening to take away subsidies for millions and millions of people when they would get blamed for the, you know, pain that results. do you understand the politics on the republican side? >> no. this is one of the most baffling political moves i have seen in a long time. i mean you said -- you cited that kaiser poll. there have been other polls. it is very clear that, you know, if the health insurance system suddenly unravels for millions of people, they're going to blame the people in charge. they're going to blame the trump administration. now, if you listen to trump, who has this weird tick where he likes to tell you what his maneuvers are, like in realtime. like here's what i'm trying to do. so his theory is basically, look, i'm going to threaten to withhold this money and cause all these problems for millions of people, and democrats will be so upset about that.
you know, chuck schumer is going to be on the phone with me saying, please, president trump, let's make a deal. that makes no sense because the alternative that trump is offering is basically to take insurance away from even more people. so, you know, he's basically saying, look, if you don't agree to take -- i'm going to take away insurance from several million people unless you agree to work with me on taking insurance away from even more people. it just doesn't -- i'm honestly baffled why he thinks this is going to work. >> and do you think that the fact that it's democrats that he's threatening and not his own party is sort of a tacit admission that he can't get a bill through his own party, and so he's essentially admitting that he needs nancy pelosi and chuck schumer to put together the whip count for him? >> yeah. i mean there's no question at this point. there's a lot of -- we keep hearing republicans were this close to a repeal bill. they have some really fundamental disagreements within the republican party about what to do. if you try to imagine sort of a way forward on health care to
make some changes in the law, it's pretty obvious that the governing majority here is some combination of republicans and democrats. and senator schatz, as he said, democrats would be more than happy to work on a set of bipartisan fixes, you know, modest changes to the law that would make a real difference for people. and, you know, there would be give and take. republicans would get some things they wanted. democrats would get some things they wanted. but the sort of pre-condition for that, the ticket into that conversation is republicans saying, all right. we don't have the votes to repeal the law, so we're going to work with you democrats on making some changes. you know, we'll give and take. you do some things we want. we'll do some things you want, and we'll move forward. it's so easy to imagine what this deal looks like. but, you know, first the republicans -- some of them, trump, you know, some leaders will have to say, all right. we can't do repeal. let's work on actually, you know, improving this law, fixing its weak spots, which are very real. there's a lot of people who are unhappy. there are a lot of problems with this law. but these are not hard problems
to fix if republicans would be willing to work with democrats. >> very quick prediction. the freedom caucus is predictg they will get something passed through the house of representatives. do you think that will happen? >> you know, i have no idea. i don't see how they get that coalition right now. but, you know, who the heck knows? you never know in congress. >> yeah, absolutely. thank you very much. appreciate it. coming up, donald trump's campaign promise of a nationwide deportation force. new reports say the administration is so eager to get started, they're looking at cutting corners to get there. that story just ahead. if you've tried every pill on the shelf
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in his chief strategist, steve bannon, who is reportedly feuding with donald trump's son-in-law, this is what donald trump had to say. i like steve, but you have to reme he was not involved in my campaign until very late, trump said. i had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and i didn't know steve. i'm my own strategist. steve is a good guy, but i told them to straighten it out or i will. hardly a ringing endorsement. according to "the washington post," who interviewed 21 of trump's aides, confident aunts and allies, the president's comments were described as a dressing down and a warning shot. the one bannon friend reflecting on them wednesday likened bannon to a terminally ill family member who had been moved into hospice care. exactly how this turf war in the white house will affect the course of the trump presidency is ahead.
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era may look like. according to the post, dhs has already found 33,000 more detention beds to house undocumented immigrants and is considering ways to speed up the hiring of hundreds of new customs and border patrol officers, including ending polygraph and physical fitness tests in some cases. which directly contradicts homeland security secretary's john kelly quote that we will not lower stads and we will not lower training. however, he also said that there would be, quote, no mass deportations. but the new memo and the president's own campaign promise suggest otherwise. >> are you going to have a massive deportation force? >> you're going to have a deportation fo and you're going to do it humanely. they're going back where they came. if they came from a certain country, they're going to be brought back to that country. that's the way it's supposed to be. >> joining me now is david nakamura, author of that
washington post article on the deportation force. david, before we get to the specifics of the deportation force, i want to read one excerpt from the jeff sessions speech that actually didn't make it into his spoken remarks, but it was written into his remarks. he deviated from it. but he also planned to say that criminal organizations that turn cities and suburbs into war zones, that rape and kill innocent citizens, it is here on this sliver of sand where we will first take our stand against this filth, against this filth. do we know who wrote this speech? >> we don't know who wrote the speech, but it's interesting that it was left out and yet it was included in the prepared marks delivered to reporters and it got a lot of attention on social media even though he didn't say it. jeff sessions as a senator in alabama was one of the hardest-line senators on immigration that there was in the senate, and he helped really take down president obama's effort at comprehensive immigration reform even though the senate approved that in 2013, in the house and through
his pressure and working with conservative house members and ultimately the republican house dropped out. but now he's in a position of power. you see the justice department now becoming more activist on immigration enforcement in a sharp departure from the obama administration, which the justice department sued arizona over their hard-line laws on immigration back in 2011. and now you see this memo that i reported on yesterday from dhs talking about behind the scenes planning to try to fulfill donald trump's executive orders. >> yeah, and going back to 2014, sessions was called amnesty's worst enemy, "the new york times" magazine talked about the fact he essentially is kind of the last gasp of bannonism. he, bannon and ller, for them, immigration is a galvanizing issue at the center of their parent vision for reshaping the united states. according to what you were able to find in that memo, how is he playing that out as attorney general? what is the plan? >> there's two different things. the memo i reported on is from the department of home lewandowsky security. that's general john kelly. this was focused on border
patrol. you sort of laid out some of the details. also in there was something you didn't mention, which was that dhs would work with local police departments, deputizing them in many cases and giving them immigration enforcement authority, which has traditionally been the reserve of the federal government. this alarms advocates because they believe local police would not have as much oversight or training. these are the big issues. separately, jeff sessions is trying to make his department have more prosecutions of undocumented immigrants over crimes they commit, which would then put them into the pool of -- so you have the administration trying to work in concert together to fulfill the president's goals. you mentioned if something happened to steve bannon in the white house, who has been sort of on the rocks lately politically, that, you know, sessions would be the last gassegasp. but sessions is credited as the architect for a lot of this and his action as pre-date as far
back as steve bannon's world view. >> they're pred cating this a lot of this on attempting to characterize immigrants a violent criminals. how do they plan to whip up -- the criminality doesn't exist in the real world. are they looking to charge people with felonies or higher level crimes? >> the president talked on the campaign about going after immigrants first of all who have a criminal history. you know, and thoseho already have prior outstanding deportation orders. some of those go back a long time. some of them are for more minor offenses, even traffic offenses. those could be in a pool considered people who have violated legal statutes in the country, and they'd be eligible for removal. but session koz attempt to prosecute many more immigrants. right now the justice department focuses on sort of drug cartels and those who commit more violent crimes, prosecuting them and moving toward removals from
dhs. he could also prosecute for misrepresenting themselves. a lot of people drive without a driver's license to try to get to jobs in the country. look, the supporters of donald trump might say that's fair game. these people are in the country illegally to begin with and they're committing other violations. what really is the bottom line here is that you see, as i mentioned, different agencies moving to sort of reinvent how they do business on immigration enforcement and trying to, you know, sort of build the a apparatus to deport more people. a lot of this also does depend on funding and right now congress is split on this. it does not seem likely it would be easy for them to get a lot of this funding. >> and it just so happens there's a nice private prison industry that is eager to provide those tens of thousands of spots. >> yes, people are lining up for the contracts if those were to happen. >> thank you very much for joining us. still to come, learning on the job when you're the president of the united states. we'll talk about donald trump's constantly shifting policy points ahead. plus a troubling report card
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no longer how i feel. joining me is ben how. thank you both. ben, american people be disturbed that donald trump appears to be learning to be president? >> i think in some ways it can be good, but it really depends who is surrounding him and who's giving him advice. you were talking a minute ago. left foot is going to be depending on the last thing that was said to him. as long as bannon is there, there's a lot of reasons to be concerned. for republicans and conservatives and their agenda, i don't think jared and ivanka who i think aren't taking a lot of control, i don't know that's great for their agenda, but i think it might be better for the american people. as long as it's moving towards bannon getting out, then, yeah, it can be a good thing, at least better than being stuck with just bannon. >> shannon, do you have in your report whether or not bannon is
skating on thin ice and on his way out? there is all of that mercier money and we know rebecca mercier who give money towards the campaign wants bannon to stay. what's the status of steve bannon. >> when i was with you guys a week ago, i said i really didn't know and i could get 12 different answers. this week, especially in the later half of this week, the wagons are really circling. there's an increasing choir of people saying not necessarily that he'll go but he'll be margin lies and had losing his proximity to the president. >> finally you're starting to see fraying among the trumpas who have been loyal no tter what happens but some supporters are upset of bannon being margin liesed. one guy said donald trump dropped an emotional anchor.
we expect him to keep his word right now. meaning there's a large chunk of his base that wants the bannon agenda specifically. >> well, yes. but i do think in some ways for trump he's been concerned for a long time making sure the base is with him. there was sort of a band-aid ripping moment with syria where his most ardent supporters were not happy he did this. i know bannon wasn't happy he was doing this. the moment his base started to turn, you've seen how trump s. once somebody turns on him, he's willing to throw them under the bus. and i think he's willing to throw the base under the bus because they already dislike him anyway. >> he's known bannon since 2011. there's documented evidence of him being on bannon's radio show. this sort of weird does she
think -- disowning. what might a desperate donald trump do if you would venture to hazard a guess to get approval which is what he wants? >> well, i think he's going to shift focus to the economy where he feels he is stronger, where he feels he can take stock market to use as a gage of his success there. i think that's a place he feels comfortable. increasingly i think while maybe he didn't get a bump in the poll numbers, he did feel like he got positive feedback from a lot of members in congress and critics about his actions from sea. i wouldn't be surprised to see him taking more of a hawkish approach on foreign policy even if that does alienate some people because there was a lot of positive feedback. >> including feedback from the media which he doesn't want to admit he craves. do base trump voters -- let's
talk about the working class. do they care whether he opens the plants that are shipping jobs to mexico? >> i think definitely in terms of blue-collar voters, they're going to care about the same things when obama and bush was p. they're hoping that trump was going to deliver on those promises. whether it's the wall, his positions on how he deals with foreign policy, and he's not coming through on left foot. i think the more they doesn't come through, the louder those voices, are going to continue to be louder and louder in their option to what he's doing which is going to make his life harder. he loves popularity. it's going to be difficult for him. >> we know donald trump loves to hear the applause, but it's clear he wants to applause of elites, not just that base that showed up at his rallies.
can he make the rally calm down by dmorgt people which is a horrific way to get your numbers up. >> i guess i would just kind of say we're really far away from 2020 and a lot can happen then. right now this administration for the most part controls the agenda. wait until something happens outside of their control, north korea, russia, china, a recession, a natural disaster. there's going to be a lot that's going to happen in these four years. we're 80 somethg days in, but i do feel there's a lot of shifting that can happen in american mind sets in this country in the national agenda that we're going to be dealing with. >> quick last word, ben. >> there's so many ways for him to fail over the next four years as far as i'm concerned. i don't think there's any question he's going to find ways to disappoint me, personally. >> we're going to get tired of
a rose beggarden event tomorrow are told. then later in the week the president will be going to ohio. and it is notable they are putting him on the road for this. because he is someone that does well pitching things to crowds and feeds off that energy. sometimes makes him go off script, but if he can deliver a solid pitch and a good message, i think it is a necessary piece of momentum for this administration that's been largely bogged down in controversy. now a little bit about what we have heard with his infrastructure plan is it involves a trillion dollars in public and in private investigation. and it is something that capitol hill should be able to get behind. but it is something we have heard about a lot from him. and it is important in the aftermath of the foreign trip. a lot of people said what worked is the administration gave people something else to talk about that was not russia or controversy. and this is a way that a lot of republican strategists said to me, you need to give him something else. and policy and infrastructure is definitely something else to at least give the white house a
investigations that they are not enough. we have msnbc's scott cohen in los angeles. let's pick it up with you on this. give us a sense of the tone of what you have been hearing, is it peaking right now or is it kind of lowering in intensity because it is right around 2:00 where you are at? >> reporter: well, richard, the event has wrapped up just a short time ago. and there was a fair amount of enthusiasm. you laid out what the themes are, the marches for truth, the idea of getting strait answers about the russia investigation and the independent commission in addition to the special counsel. they are pushing through with all of that. some people's minds already made up. congressman maxine waters getting a big cheer out of the crowd when she said, get ready for impeachment. and as people marched through the streets of los angeles winding up at city hall, a lot of people sounding the same sorts of themes. listen. >> i'm tired of the lies that are coming out of the trump
administration. and i'm tired of the russian connection that they keep trying to deny, but oh, we forgot about this one. >> we are paying very close attention to everything that's going on. and that they can't just ride us off as paid protesters or the extreme or, you know, elite liberals. >> reporter: the issue, though, is that there were not a lot of people here. you compare this to the women's march in january which was the biggest one across the country. this plaza in front of city hall was jam packed. it was nowhere close to that. and people recognize that. the marcher that is we talked to said, yes, there's a bit of fatigue here, that's something they have to battle against, but the people who were here say they hope to continue to be out raising attention about these issues throughout the summer. richard? >> they were hoping for the millions that they saw during the women's march. it is now subsided a little bit there in los angeles, but i
heard a little rock n roll and that's the intersection of southern california. scott cohn, get out there and do a couple moves if you can. thank you, sir. former fbi director jim comey is set to testify before the senate intelligence committee if president trump does not try and stop him along the way. but the white house is leaving the nation guessing this weekend as trump insider kellyanne conway showed friday. >> will the president invoke executive privilege or does he want former director comey to testify before congress? >> we'll be watching with the rest of the world when director comey testifies. the last time he testified under oath the fbi had to scurry to correct the testimony. the president will make that decision. >> russian president vladimir putin is deflecting the idea that his country was involved in the election hacking. and in an interview were form's premier of nbc's "sunday night with megyn kelly" he said this. >> translator: hackers can be
anywhere. they can be in russia, in asia, even in america, latin america, they can even be hackers, by the way, in the united states. very skillfully and professionally shifted the blame as we say onto russia. >> let's bring in the national political reporter for bloomberg politics and washington examiner jaime winestein, host of "the jaime winestein podcast." we have two different reports as of this hour on this saturday as to whether executive privilege may come into play here to deny james comey from being able to testify on thursday. it's a new york times and bloomberg, well, you might be partial to what might be the reporting, but tell us what you're hearing? >> richard, i think the testimony this week from james comey, the former fbi director, will be the most hotly contested since hillary clinton did the marathon 15-hour session before the benghazi session. two questions democrats want to get to the bottom of. and both have to do with
conversations reportedly that mr. comey had with the president while he was fbi director, one involves the president reportedly telling or encouraging mr. comey to shut down the investigation into michael flynn. and the other was, what the president reportedly suggested or asked for with the former fbi director's loyalty. legal experts raised doubts as to whether they can do this. if the president does this, they could theoretically be shut down by a court. and it would be politically dangerous because it creates the impression that the white house has something to offer. but the white house says they have nothing to hide. so it would be a perilous move. i want to guess that the president is a difficult man to predict. >> that would be very true. jaime, reflect on what you are hearing, sir, about the reporting. i know bloomberg is saying it is still in consideration. "the new york times" saying no, what are you hearing? >> it seems that it would be hard to invoke executive privilege considering president trump has tweeted about the
conversation he had with james comey. so a lot of legal experts suggest if you're going to say executive privilege, this conversation was just between me and someone in the -- in the executive branch. you can't tweet about it and then try to claim executive privilege. i think what is going to be interesting is wlp jamhether ja comey thought the conversation that reportedly took place about michael flynn was obstruction of justice. and then i think you're going to hear him get questions, especially from republicans, is if he did think it was obstruction of justice, what was he going to do with the memos? was he going to recommend that the president be tried for obstruction of justice? was he just going to keep them filed away? or when were they going to see the light of day? because we only learned of them and most people it seems that the fbi only learned of them after he was fired. >> and we can see this. i mean, just being quite a spectacle and you sort of outlined a little bit of that, jaime, but sahil, he could have
copies of the alleged notes he takes after conversations. he could have exhibits that he's passing around during the testimony. this could really turn out to be something. >> you know, there's certainly questions as to whether it will and the likelihood of something coming out is anticipated to a large degree because mr. comey said he kept memos based on secondhand sources. he's kept memos of conveions with president trump. the president asked him this that democrat argue if true constitute obstruction of justice. so this moves very quickly into the territory where as i mentioned, it ends up not becoming the crime but the cover-up if the white house doesn't handle it wear. it's a tricky situation for them if they invoke in executive privilege and can't shut him down. >> that's one of the five investigations ongoing. we'll talk about robert mueller's investigation and the reporting is that he's expanding who he is looking into.
we have heard the names jared kushner and paul manafort and the attorney general's name as well. what does that say in terms of the duration that i talked about last hour, this means obviously more work to do, but the way the special counsel and his strategy is being employed. that's the nature of these type of investigations. in fact, that's a danger. if there are charges on something like collusion, it could be a financial crime or trying to hide something, obstructing justy ttice in som or perjury, these are special ways prosecutors can find their way going away from what they initially looked at, collusion, and find crimes elsewhere. so that is a threat to many members of the administration that this might not just be a collusion investigation at the
end of the day. >> so how wide might this go, sahil? eye mooe bri jaime says when you have special persons employed, it will start to bring in details and the investigation if you will have outlets or tributaries that were not expected. >> well, you go bac to the '90s when you think of a special prosecutor looking at bill clinton's crimes and what ended up getting bill clinton impeached was emergency. the process of -- if he hasn't done that, it's far from clear that anything of that sort would have happened. we know the president is extremely frustrated by the investigations and the talk. he's repeatedly said it's concocted by democrats to come up with an excuse for losing an election they should have won. that frustration is going to loom large over what type of
white house this is. and we'll see if it will cost them this week. and it will be important how the white house handles this. >> we have two people that have mini countdown clocks in the white part of their eyeballs. many people are watching to see what happens. >> it will make cable news great again, that's for sure. >> that's right. thank you so much, jaime. it's a graeat conversation. we'll show you more on the discussion with vladimir putin on the new premier of the show "sunday night with megyn kelly" at 7:00 eastern on nbc and your local affiliate. check your local listings. darrell issa won a raizor thin margin last year. it won't be easier for him as he begins campaigning in just months. a live report is next. anything. even a coupe soup.
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congressman darrell issa is facing heat from his c constituents. >> i've been a republican for many years. i voted for reagan and voted for both bushes and never voted for a. however, i am afraid of president donald trump. >> i was out of the district campaigning all over for rubio. he was my first choice. would i like to have him put away his phone for twitter? yes. >> nbc political editor beth fooey is joining me now with the congressman had a town hall. we saw a little right there. beth, what a great place to be today as we try to get a sense, right, of that barometer and that benchmark on what republicans are going through
who are right there in the middle. and darrell issa is one of the toss-up elections in 2018. >> yeah, he's interesting, richard, he's one of few republican members of congress actually doing the town halls. number one. number two, he's probably the most high-profile house member actually out there doing these town halls. remember, he was the chairman of house oversight during the obama years. he had a very high profile there. he was subpoenaing witnesses and holding hearings. he was really sort of on the chase for many members of the obama administration during several, what he believed were scandals, like the fast and furious gun running situation and the irs supposedly targeting conservative groups. darrell issa was all over those things. now he's seen the other side of the equation. he's now in a district that almost rejected him in 2016. he won by the barest of margins. donald trump overwhelmingly rejected in california, including in darrell issa's
district and he's trailed everywhere he goes by protesters and is back in the district. so what you heard today and you played some of that before, is that darrell issa is distancing himself from trump. he can't fully push him away but he can't embrace him either. on the issue of oversight, he left the oversight committee and went back to it. and he was telling me that the reason he did that was because he wanted to help hold this administration's feet to the fire as he did with the obama administration. so let's listen to that. >> i came back to oversight because president trump's administration is going to need oversight. and i will push for it. will i stand up to this administration? yes. i ran in the past on my record, i'll run in the future on my record. they took a picture of the first and only time i had met with donald trump and they put it up there as the reason not to vote for me. >> reporter: he's keeping the president at arm's length,
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welcome back. i'm richard lui in new york city. here's what we are watching at the bottom of the hour here on msnbc. a white house official says president trump will launch an infrastructure week. that announcement of that week and that plan will happen at the white house at the rose garden on monday. "the new york times" reporting that the president will call on states and cities and corporations to pay for many infrastructure costs. like roads and bridges. demonstrators are out today across the country including los angeles, washington, d.c. and 100 other cities. they are demanding answers in the russia probe calling for independent investigations by congress to uncover any potential ties between russia and the trump administration and
the trump campaign. all eyes will be on former fbi director james comey as he's set to testify before congress. this thursday in the russia question investigation. the white house could block to move his testimony, although "the new york times" is reporting that will probably not happen. so it could go either way. and an iowa gop political tradition got a vip visit this afternoon. vice president mike pence underlined his praise of donald trump and senator joni ernst's annual roast & ride event. we were there before, during and after at the central iowa expo talking to voters there in boone, iowa. and it's a hot one today, von. what kind of reaction, nevertheless, did you get? because there were a lot of folks out there. >> reporter: yeah, richard, there were more than 500 bikers that took about the 50-mile trip from des moines up here to boone, iowa n the northern part of the state. they had both republican senators, joni ernst, chuck
grassley, congressman steve king here. this was one time where it was a swing state, a place that obama won eight and four years ago. but this year donald trump won. mike pence was delivering the message that congress needs to do more and congress needs to produce results to fulfill the trump agenda, setting up what could be 2018 tough midterms if the voters here, many of whom i talked to, over issues of health reform and tax reform. i want to play a sound bite of mike pence setting up for the crowd where the trump administration is at. take a listen. >> president donald trump has brought america back and the world knows it. president donald trump withdrew the united states of america from the paris climate accord. and put america first.
as the president explained, the paris accord punished theed united states. no doubt about it. how great is it to have a president who is more concerned with des moines than denmark? >> reporter: richard, as you heard, he took his own spin on the president's pittsburgh to paris comparison. >> so this is interesting, because you were listening to the speech here, this as the vice president was really focusing on these grassroots issues, which are really resonating. you were telling us last hour as well as this hour that the idea of paris and international issues are not necessarily something that is what they care about on the ground. then we have the infrastructure plan that was announced and the infrastructure week just announced within the last hour, too. it seems like we are putting together, if you will, a little
bit of a theme atic to think about that issue and health care. >> reporter: exactly. when you heard the vice president expand there a little bit on the paris accord comment, saying that this is about the american worker. no longer can we make sacrifices through the likes of china and india. and he really kind of hammered home that, not only on that issue, you're talking about infrastructure, talking about health care, bringing it back and making this essentially it felt like the campaign even though six months ago was the election. and for everything not happening over in d.c., he's really trying to take the message here. but i want to mention real fast what you didn't hear from mike pence was on the issue of russia. there's still a lot of questions that mike pence has really avoided answering. he's hasn't had a major interview in more than a month outside of fox news, about reporting that jared kushner met with the russian banker during the campaign or jeff sessions reported meetings with the russian ambassador. for as much as he's trying to hammer home and focus more on the people here, there's still so many of those questions,
richard, that is what we have been talking about this hour but they have been unanswered by this administration. >> a very good point you make there, vaughan, in the key swing state in the midwestern firewall that donald trump won in 2016. we got to keep an eye on what is happening in iowa. vaughan, appreciate it. russia's president vladimir putin continues to speak out about his views on the 2016 elections, by the way. speaking to nbc's megyn kelly, which you can catch tomorrow night on the premier of "sunday night with megyn kelly." keir simmons is here with the latest. keir, what has been the reaction to putin's remarks in that interview? >> reporter: i think folks here are taking in the many faces of president putin that we saw over the past 24 hours here in st. petersburg at times angry, at times seeming to joke around. some headlines for me, him telling megyn kelly, and we will hear that in the interview
tomorrow, that perhaps the cia could have been behind the hacking of the u.s. elections. the cia pushing back very hard on that kind of a suggestion to nbc news today. meanwhile, it was interesting to hear president putin seemed to align himself with president trump over president trump's decision, for example, to get out of the paris climate accord and on the issues of nato what president putin had to say, very similar to what president trump has said, arguing that nato, for example, should align itself more towards the fight against terrorism. but the main headline was the continued denial by president putin that russia had anything to do with intervening in the u.s. elections. take a listen. >> translator: hackers can be anywhere. they can be in russia, in asia, even in america, latin america, they can even be hackers, by the way, in the united states.
very skillfully and professionally shifted the blame as we say onto russia. >> reporter: now, on the same day that president putin was speaking here at the conference center, i managed to track down sergey gorkov who met with jared kushner, president trump's son--law we found him a we wanted to ask him what happened in a meeting with jared kushner back in december. sergey gorkov was not enthusiastic about answering our questions. take a listen. >> keir simmons from nbc news. you're the subject of intense scrutiny in america because of your meeting with donald trump's son-in-law jared kushner. >> any comments -- >> reporter: i know you do. there is some confusion on what exactly happened. were you talking about business or were you talking about policy? >> no comments, please.
>> reporter: have you been contacted by the fbi or would you be prepared to talk to them? mr. gorkov. i'm sorry. it's just a question of understanding what happened in the meeting. >> no comments, please. please. >> reporter: can i just ask you, was it a political meeting or economic meeting? can we interview you at a later date? >> submit all comments. >> reporter: if it is an innocent meeting, why won't you talk about it. mr. gorkov, if it was an innocent meeting with jared kushner, why don't you want to talk about it, sir. i'm sorry, don't -- please don't push me out of the way. i just want to ask you about the meeting you had with jared kushner. please explain it. we really do want to hear if it happened. if it was an innocent meeting, please just explain what happened in the meeting, mr. gorkov. were confusion has come from the fact that the white house
suggested jared kushner was there in his role as part of the trump transition team. meanwhile, the bank has suggested that it was a business meeting. we reached out to jared kushner's attorney but no response so far today. but a source close to jared kushner did suggest that he was there, indeed, as a representative of the trump transition team. back to you, richard. >> keir, thank you so much. keir simmons with that report. let's bring in michael allen, former majority staff director of the house permanent selection committee on intelligence. you were watching that along with me here, michael, your thought on what keir was able to, if you will, get from pursuing mr. gorkov. again, mr. gorkov not wanting to answer any of keir's questions along the way. your reaction? >> well, as extraordinary reporting from keir, i think that is just the kind of thing the trump white house probably doesn't want to see on tv, which is enterprising reporters chases
down russian bankers asking about the president's family. but it -- i don't know that he got any news or clarification on whether it was an economic-type meeting or political meeting or both. but we certainly saw an interesting line of inquiry that we'll hear about in the coming months. >> a big question that keir was trying to get reaction from. another point here since we are talking about russia and talking individuals from russia, that's the president vat meyladimir pu. keir was also expressing some of the reaction based on the panel that megyn kelly moderated as well as her interview with vat meyer putin. vladimir putin. that will be broadcast tomorrow on msnbc news. one of the points that vladimir putin brought up is the hacking could have happened anywhere. it could have even be related to u.s. intelligence agencies, one of the 17 agencies. and he brought up the idea of the cia, he even brought up the
idea of megyn kelly's very own child being able to do this. he went through a long litany here of this is not russia. >> you're right. he said all but the 400-pound person in his basement. my first reaction to putin was, of course he would say that. look, he's a kgb agent trained by the kgb. it's a country run by their intelligence services and intelligence officers. they're having a field day. they don't want democracy set loose in their neck of the woods. and so they love this spectacle that they have, in part, caused, which is to portray democracy here in the united states as disorderly and unconcern. and so i think the russians are very much enjoying this. and that disinformation, if you will, that putin is putting out is part of top larghe larger st no doubt.
>> part of the strategy that russia has been framed, that's really the argument he's making at this point. russia not involved. russia is framed. how might that be played out? because he's saying, look at the other groups, don't look at russia. >> well, i think it's unfortunate and i hope we won't hear anyone in the united states following up on that line of argument menation. i have a feeling that's why he put it out there in hopes other people would say, hey, yeah, you know what? maybe that was someone that wasn't russia. our intelligence communities are very certain on this fact. it sounds like everyone inside the administration is united behind the assessment of the intelligence community. that it was indeed russia. but listen, russia may have favored donald trump over hillary clinton, but they're still not friends of the united states or friends of the trump white house, even though it seems that way at times when you see the pictures that have come out. russia is trying to oppose us around the world, syria, afghanistan, libya, certainly in europe and the rest. and so unfortunately, there are
strategic adversary and they are going to stay that way. >> as we look at what the president vladimir putin has said in terms of the panel and what we have released of that interview with megyn kelly, we will learn a lot more when we play that full interview tomorrow on nbc news at 7:00 p.m. thank you so much, michael allen, for giving us your perspective based on your experience on what has been said so far with megyn kelly. we are following at this hour breaking news, this just coming into us. what we understand right now and it's early, but metropolitan police at london bridge, you can see right in the middle of the screen right now, a car and some individuals running over some individuals. they have closed traffic going both ways at london bridge. and it's a late in the evening right now on a saturday. we are just getting this
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london bridge there in central london. it is not being called at this moment a terrorism event, a terror event. but they have closed again to traffic going both ways. lucy kavanaugh is there as our correspondent. what are you hearing, lucy? >> we don't have a lot confirmed, but we have heard an incident happened on london bridge according to the london transport system. they say the london bridge station has been closed at the request of the police. a reuters reporting on the scene had seen about ten police vehicles heading towards london bridge. sky news another television outlet here has been reporting that a white van ran over potentially some people on the bridge. there a reporter on the ground was saying emergency services are there and a heavy armed police presence on this location. now, regardless of what actually
took place, it's understandable of course that the authorities here are taking this very seriously. this comes on the heels of that devastating attack in manchester last week in which 22 victims lost their lives. not to mention orvs, tthe westm attackast march, whi was a this is the very early hours as we try to get more details as they come in. one witness told bbc news that a white van veered off of the road in london on london bridge and hit five or six people. some of the witnesses reported seeing medical services. the police at this moment are not explaining the incident this was. nobody is jumping the gun to call this an act of terror. this is saturday night, there could have been folks who perhaps consumed too much to drink and took crews down on this bridge. so this is a very early hour, but police are spearing no expense and treating this as serious as possible in light of the increased attacks on london.
richard? >> one of our producers who was having a meal in the area is also telling us that they were told to stay in place by the authorities that were there in that vicinity having a meal in other restaurants. they should not move as they continue to look into this incident. but lucy, as you understand the area so well, these reports coming from the bbc and others. a van has hit pedestrians. give us a sense of the log donl bridge ar london bridges. there are certain ones with cordens down the middle and others that don't. there are cones and also cordens that sometimes sit on the side where pedestrians move back and forth. describe to us if you can the area of london bridge in the center of the screen of what the cordens are, the barriers are, that may or may not have been
there to protect pedestrians or not. >> reporter: right. you see the photo on the screen there, it's a larger bridge and a large pedestrian area on both sides of sort of where the cars go. and, of course, this is popular tourist area. anyone visiting with family and friends or anyone to go out on the town, the going out areas aren't necessarily right there, but this is a very popular area for people to take a stroll or maybe a walk. this is likely an area that would have had quite a few people walking through there at the time. it is very difficult for authorities to protect these kind of spaces, obviously in the aftermath of westminster. they have been putting up more security quarters. i'm not actually certain there
was anything to prevent the potential attacks, but there is something like a space to keep them from the cars. >> the parallel you're bringing up about manchester, it is an unfortunate coincidence. we were just reporting on this about ariana grande as you mentioned the concert. >> a huge concert, that's right. >> she's going to donate the proceeds to the filiesured or killed because of t terror incident and the threat increased. tell me what theresa may did with the threat level and where it stands right now in london at the moment. >> reporter: well, that's interesting that you mentioned that, richard, because the threat level in the u.k. used to be critical. they -- i'm sorry, severe. >> i'm sorry to wrap. these are the images just coming in to the u.s. we can clearly see that the officer is moving with speed. and you are general did as they put on their vests.
and the perspective on this photographer is one or two or three blocks back. but we can get a sense of the energy here. the pictures just coming intoba. these pictures just coming in as more emergency selection are making their way. police vehicles full of again, law enforcement moving on to the location. as they were showing as you second ago. we've seen pedestrians on the right-hand side leaving. it doesn't look with great urgency. we were able to see a handful of law enforcement gearing up to move toward what could be the incident. but again, we're not completely sure about the timing or exact location but maybe you can tell by looking at these pictures that are just coming in to us at msnbc about where and which side this perspective is. can you tell?
i want to point out how shocked and terrified these families look. we saw a young girl with her mother. it looks like people are quite upset. quite understandably so. especially on the heels of manchester attack. before the manchester attack took place, the threat level here was severe. it was taken up to critical in response to that attack. we saw more armed police officers on the street and not the just police officers but armed soldiers who took over key tourist sights. buckingham palace and westminister. but that was done effectively in order to free up more armed police officers across the uk. not just in london to do more patrols. to basically spread out, fan out across areas. that might be common in the
united states or others, but not in the uk where police are unarmed. i want to bring in some new information that we're hearing. this is not confirmed by nbc news but sky new is saying there may have been a stabbing attack according to witnesses after this car allegedly ran over some people. and we are learning some new information. british police officers are saying that multiple resources are attending this incident at london bridge. they're asking people to avoid the area. that is a strangely worded statement. what that means is they are deploying, it sounds like all the resources possible to this incident which would give us a sense that it probably, it may not be as casual as perhaps a drunk driver but something perhaps more serious. but we have not confirmed that yet. this is a short statement from british police. >> as you were reporting
unfortunately during manchester attack, this is a police force, the metropolitan police, not only very capable, one of the most capable to respond to such incidents but they are now on higher alert. as you're describing earlier. just because of what happened in manchesterful that's why at this moment we watch with this piece of information as we're hearing from reports and sources that this is of note. at least at this poin although many would hope that it would be an incident that might be an unfortunate happenstance. because of the prelude to today, to 10:53 in london, we have our focus and on our eyes on what may be happening. because of what happened in recent months, across the uk, paris is what we were watching in the lead-up to the election there.
there is also of note. also in the uk in a number of days so the intensity, the focus again on such incidents is a little bit different. a little bit higher right now. especially in central london. >> there is an election coming up on june 8. this is an mexico teresa may called for to boost support for her party. to obtain for herself a clearer mandate for those brexit negotiations that will soon be taking place. what we saw in the aftermath of the manchester attack is that the party's popularity has narrowed. the lead has narrowed in the polls. unclear how this is going to affect the situation so late in the game. a lot of questions being asked about the government's ability to for example, handle terrorism
incidents. one of the critical things, the 22-year-old who killed himself and 22 others, he was known to the authorities, to british authorities. the internal fbi equivalent, m inch 5, have him on the radar. he was known to them but not followed for whatever reason. so a lot of tough questions being asked when you have these radicalized young men. and how do you stoick on that case? how do you continue to monitor them? it takes police resources to do that. so this, whatever this incident may end up being, obviously, does not bode well, i should say, for this upcoming election. do i want to point out something else we're hearing. a witness telling a reuters reporter that sheid see people with apparen knife wounds on london bridge. now wve this from two different news sources.
the media reports do seem to indicate that there was a vehicle that injured people and potentially something 22nd a knife. perhaps a stabbing. this is just could not jectionture at this point but we are getting it from two different media sources as we work the verify it ourselves. >> live pictures coming to us from london, england. we have some sound. our nbc news correspondent in london watching this, knows the area quite well. it is 10:56 local time. this camera angle here, we're just getting thought video raw. we're showing it to you. way in the distance there, in the center, in the back, are about four or five vans. there were a good number of law enforcement that were gearing up. it was unclear in terms of what sorts of gear they were putting on and as you can probably tell by watching this video, you see
pedestrians walking in the opposite direction without great speed. and then also more law enforcement vehicles going to that location. you see it there. again, not with sirnens on. so the video that we're just getting, if you're just joining us again, we are getting reports coming out of london. we can see vehicles moving live to the incident. okay. now we have more sound here. they are moving toward what we believe to be the location of the incident. the reporting again, not confirmed by nbc news, stabbings, we have heard of one or two from local media.
and others reporting to local media. we've heard from the bbc, a van hitting pedestrians on london bridge, and we are yet to get confirmed details by nbc news. we're watching all of this. this is just happening within the last 15 minutes along with lucy cavanagh who is there at our bureau in london. we have mychichael allen, of th house intelligence committee. he is familiar with this incident. and i guess one of the questions we got is that unfortunate correlation that lucy was describing to us, michael, in recent months, if not the last year, that upcoming elections, at least in two incidents here, paris and now, excuse me, in france, and now the uk.
on we have terror related incidents. so there is this heightened acute of what might be happening here on london bridge. have you heard anything in terms of what's happening here? and what is your reflection based on the pieces of information we can gather so far in. >> with the appropriate caveat that's it may turn out not to be terrorist motivated. the islamic state and other terrorist groups obviously have always had a great fascination with landmarks such as parliament. and it looks like from your live coverage there. parliament square. they have always been interested in elections. and we have a gigantic election coming soon in the u.k. this reminds me a little bit of brussels a couple years ago when the police there started to make arrests, other associates and