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Conversation with gun safety activist david hogg. A caught up with him on the mall, to discuss the plague of gun violence ands latest chapter on right here on nbc. The last few weeks have been historic, unprecedented and yes at times pretty alarming. Former President Donald Trump is under an avalanche of legal trouble. And remember those, cases are not just about the criminal conduct of one man. They are about the future of our democracy, our very way of life. The stakes for this country cannot ...

I think that the policies that the president has pushed, that i voted for when i was in congress, the i.r.a., chips bill, ohio is front and center to benefit from that. were going to have a chip manufacturer here, data centers, natural gas power plants, things are starting to move. it is going to take a while for that to really sink in for most people to where they can relax. and they will realize that theyre going to have a bright future. >> i know you said youre not going to field a no labels ...

Now, youre seeing the difference. thats why youre seeing democrats nervous. could it be de ja vu again in iowa where she didnt just finish second but finished third? >> joe, everyone talks about the sanders thing is this liberal side thing. what kind of ticket would you have? >> not literally but a biden/sanders type ticket would go to the idea theres an electoral concern with her and policy concern with the base that sanders fixes. is that something you have to worry about? >> you always have t...