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Long beach was in the dark. no one seriously believed what the police now firmly believed that fred schockner ordered and paid for his own wifes murder. as charlies uncle mark said -- >> never in my wildest dreams, even after she was killed, because the circumstances, nothing pointed at fred. and the police did not point at fred. >> reporter: but, said detective richard birdsall, they had their reasons. >> we used them in a lot of respects. and you felt guilty because theyre beating their chests...

Morning. >> damn straight. a reason to live. >> mark and susan are now his mom and dad. he has taken their last name. and charlie has more than survived. he is thriving. >> im going somewhere, and im going fast. >> he got his masters and landed his dream job in theme park design. and he has learned in spite of everything that rarest of lessons, to accept and move on. >> i mean, i know what happened, and i know its influencing me. but its not defining me. >> but there is one thing that defines hi...

Crashing down. >> reporter: his home was a crime scene. >> the house was taped off. and just people going in and out of the house. a lot of neighbors around. like everything you see on tv. >> reporter: you never think its gonna be you. >> oh, no. no. no. no. its surreal. very much so. >> reporter: what does that loss feel like? >> yeah. i -- i cant put it into words. it was tremendous. it was awful. i immediately called mark and im babbling on the phone. i cant even speak. >> mark is charlies un...

Ever received. from the man who i still hate more than any person ive ever known. and my wife and i didnt have children of our own. now ive got the best son in the world. >> its been great. mark and susan are just -- theyre great. i love them so much. >> and so in a sad strange way out of unimaginable evil and loss came love. a real family. an unexpected blessing. >> whats he done for you personally? having him in your life. >> its like getting another life. like somebody opened a door and say h...

Do with this? >> reporter: charlie remembers what they told him. >> the detective was very quick to assure me that they have no suspicions of that. they dont think that would be something that was happening. and if they had thought that, that they would already have looked into it and not to worry about that. >> reporter: is that what detectives really believed? well, no. >> we had to sit there and look at him in the eye and say, "well, well catch everybody who was involved." >> reporter: but no...

Though? >> well, im not a big believer in court sentences, especially in situations like this. >> lots of time to think in prison about things like that. but also about charlie. >> oh. young charlie. he -- what i did to charlie is -- haunts me every day. >> yeah. >> you know, i took so much from him. >> but whether nick knew it or not, charlie was in the very capable hands of his uncle mark, whod received a commission from his worried sister lynn before she was murdered. >> if anything happens t...

Pending separation lisa worried about lynn and charlies safety. >> i wanted her to move out of the home with charlie. she wouldnt do it. she wouldnt leave her home. she wouldnt disrupt charlie. he was just starting high school. theyd lived in the neighborhood forever. so she was a sitting target. >> did she understand that it was dangerous for her? >> yes. yes. >> and yet she went and did it anyway. >> thats how important getting out of that relationship was to her. she was willing to risk her l...

>> and charlie still could not believe what he was hearing. >> it really didnt set in really until i actually saw the house and then it really just all came crashing down. >> his home was a crime scene. >> the house was taped off and theres people going in and out of the house. a lot of neighbors around. like everything you see on tv. >> you never think its going to be you. >> oh, no. no, no, no. its surreal. very much so. >> what does that loss feel like? >> yeah. i cant put it into words. it w...

The police now firmly believed that fred schockner ordered and paid for his own wifes murder. as charlies uncle mark said -- >> never in my wildest dreams even after she was killed because the circumstances -- nothing pointed at fred. and the police did not point at fred. >> they had their reasons. >> we used them in a lot of respects, and you feel guilty because theyre beating their chests and theyre upset and they had no idea that the father of charlie is the one that set the whole thing up. >...

And if they had thought that, that they would already have looked into it and not to worry about that. >> reporter: is that what detectives really believed? well, no. >> we had to sit there and look at him in the eye and say, well catch everybody who was involved. >> reporter: but not say we suspect him? >> exactly. >> reporter: they believed they simply couldnt tell charlie or the rest of the family what they were discovering. afraid that fred would find out and stop talking to them. so charlie...