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MSNBC Dateline November 25, 2019 06:55:00

The rest of the family what they were discovering. afraid that fred would find out and stop talking to them. so charlie stayed at home with his father. his uncle mark was allowed, even encouraged, to believe that fred was not involved, even as the detectives were getting the real story from the hit man, nick harvey. cubano? >> so doesnt that mean you can go out andth arrest him and fre charge them all with murder right then? >> we wish. remember its a coconspirator statement. i have no facts. >>...
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MSNBC Dateline November 25, 2019 06:15:00

Its surreal. very much so. >> what does that loss feel like? >> yeah. i cant put it into words. it was tremendous. it was awful. i immediately called mark and then -- im babbling on the phone. i cant even speak. >> mark gica is charlies uncle, lynns brother. >> after the initial shock theres disbelief. i didnt burst into tears right away. i didnt start screaming. i was just stunned. >> lynn grew up in ohio. she was the baby of the family, the only girl. here she is with her two older brothers, j...
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MSNBC Dateline November 25, 2019 07:21:00

Controversy. esper said he had lost trust and confidence in navy secretary richard spencer over his lack of candor about conversations with the white house. and michael bloomberg made it official. announcing his run for the white house. now back to "dateline." nearly a month after lynn was cut down at her own back door, her killer was behind bars, but her husband, fred, was still a free man and back in the family home with charlie. the press was in the dark. no one seriously believed that th...
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MSNBC Dateline September 7, 2019 07:17:00

>> reporter: and lynn doted on her only son. it might be trite to say this, but she loved him more than life itself. he was the center of her nearly a month after lynn universe. >> reporter: so after what schockner was cut down at her happened, mark flew out to california right away to comfort charlie and fred, and to make own back door her killer was behind bars, but her husband funeral arrangements for his fred was still a free man and only sister lynn. back in the family home with charlie. ...
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MSNBC Dateline September 7, 2019 07:53:00

Howd you get there so fast? >> neighbor. >> i took so much from him. theres people in the neighborhood. someone saw you get out of the >> reporter: but whether nick car. knew it or not, charlie was in the very capable hands of his >> did you know the cops were uncle mark, whod received a even out there? commission from his worried >> not until i got back over the wall and i saw the van. sister lynn before he was and when i saw the van thats when i said, this has got to be a set up. murdered. >> ...
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MSNBC Dateline September 7, 2019 07:55:00

Were discovering. design. and has learned, in spite of everything, that rarest of afraid that fred would find out lessons, to accept and move on. and stop talking to them. >> i mean, i know it happened, and i know its influencing me, so charlie stayed at home with but its not defining me. his father. his uncle mark was allowed, even >> reporter: but there is one encouraged, to believe that fred thing that defines him, his was not involved, even as the detectives were getting the real mothers cha...
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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190527:06:57:00

>> reporter: you dont still believe that, though? >> well, im not a big believer in coincidence, especially in situations like this. >> reporter: lots of time to think in prison about things like that. but also about charlie. >> oh, young charlie. he -- what i did to charlie is -- haunts me every day. >> reporter: yeah. >> i took so much from him. >> reporter: but whether nick knew it or not, charlie was in the very capable hands of his uncle mark, whod received a commission from his worried sis...
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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190527:05:55:00

The rest of the family what they were discovering. afraid that fred would find out and stop talking to them. so charlie stayed at home with his father. his uncle mark was allowed, even encouraged, to believe that fred was not involved, even as the detectives were getting the real story from the hit man, nick harvey. >> did you know who talked to cubano regarding this? >> yeah. >> who did? >> her husband. >> reporter: so doesnt that mean that you can now go out and arrest jaramillo and fred schoc...
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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190527:06:58:00

Moment as the greatest gift i ever received from the man who i still hate more than any person ive ever known. and my wife and i didnt have children of our own. now ive got the best son in the world. >> oh, its been great. mark and susan are just, theyre great. i love them so much. >> reporter: and so in a sad, strange way, out of unimaginable evil and loss came love. a real family. an unexpected blessing. whats he done for you personally, having him in your life? >> its like getting another lif...
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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190209:09:22:00

The police now firmly believed that fred schockner ordered and paid for his own wifes murder. as charlies uncle mark said -- >> never in my wildest dreams, even after she was killed, because the circumstances, nothing pointed at fred. and the police did not point at fred. >> reporter: but, said detective richard birdsall, they had their reasons. >> we used them, in a lot of respects. you feel guilty because theyre beating their chests and theyre upset. and they had no idea that the father of cha...
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