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Of america and unemployment rate of 1/2 a% and they want us to pay. >> and i guess-- >> does that surprise you, shouldnt they be paying? >> after one helps liberate a country, should they help build schools there? again, i think in what, in the bigger picture, not just looking at little things, but looking at in the bigger picture of how we support libya, how we support democracy in this region and us wanting to make sure that were helping and that were a part of this rebuilding of democracy, or...

Countries that come on line. >> isnt it better for workers in our economy, if theres unions over there so people arent flocking for 2 cents or whatever-- >> there have been plenty of nonunion manufacturing jobs in this country by foreign auto worker, guess who the union wants to unionized, toyota, honda and sending activists overseas to stage rallies trying to curry favor with the companies in their home countries. >> im a free market person, but you cant deny the fact that jobs are going overse...

Part of rebuilding libya, i dont see why were always looking at, you know, passing off the buck or the blame on-- >> we dont have any, because we have a deficit and they dont. >> and were going to help. >> brenda: gary b. >> i like standing by my word and glad that my president wants to help expand democracy and help. >> brenda: gary b. >> this is so rich. i would be willing to bet a zillion dollars, malias view would be 180 degrees different if it was the exact situation, but president bush was...

Us? charlie? >> well, i mean, simple math. you can raise rates, wages over there, would that be bad for us? maybe some jobs will stay here. >> neil: and charles, what do you make-- >> my knee jerk reaction was to say something negative about trumka, cant stand it, isnt that logical? substance, i was being substantive i should say. >> neil: charles payne? >> this is outrageous, and by the way, richard trumka needs to know theres tremendous growth outside of western, highly unionized countries, ok...

A u.s. labor leader has to say about whats going on in other country makes no difference. charles, this cause and effect, china is coming on because they dont have unions, thats a little silly. china is coming on because theyve been nothing, down for 300 years and theyre an autocratic regime thats now doing good things with its economy and nothing to do with unionization. >> no, no, but it has a lot to do with no unions and embracing capital and people in china believe more capitalism than the p...