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Constitutional rights and due process rights are being trampled upon. the defend had a point they are motivated by money. they never broupght up maxwell until they are lawyered up. this is indictment of six counts and four accusers and each of these counts have elements, they are sex trafficking of a minor count. this jury came up with a question of can we have a white board and color posted which is how us lawyers prepare for trials. it tell s me theyre paying attention to pair up the accusers ...

Rights and due process rights are being trampled upon as a result of that and i applaud this jury for paying attention to the issue of credibility, because the defense had a point that theyre motivated by money, at least to two of them. they never brought up maxwell in years of sitting down with law enforcement, until they lawyered up and there was money in the pot for them. so, i commend them for that. and with respect to the complexity, jim, this is an indictment with six counts, four accusers...

After her. is that really a defense in itself? >> the defense as you said, yes, the defense is she is a scapegoat. that she was not criminally culpable for the acts that he committed. remember, she is charged directly on sex trafficking as well as enticing a minor to travel. the other charges relate to conspiracy meaning she was part of a meeting of the minds to engage in criminal activity. so what the defense is arguing is that she is not rising to the level of culpability of jeffrey epstein an...

Victim. how clear scutt this case? >> its not clear cut, aprila and, you know, the defense is saying maxwell is not epstein. thats the headline of this case for the defense. you know, let me say this. were in the middle of -- well in the thick of the me, too, era and i for one going to court every day and knowing the reality of the situation dont believe all women, but fact of the matter is this is a she said, she said, she said, she said cautious and were in a different era. you know, ten years...