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This for a fact, secretary kerry worked this very hard. there wasnt a single conversation that he had with his chinese counterpart where he didnt bring up otto by name and how he talked about how important it was to get him and the other americans home. we worked it as hard as we could. it didnt bring him home and certainly everybody had regrets about that. >> yeah, its a very sad situation. once again, our hearts go out to the warmbier family. >> absolutely. >> guys, stay with us. dont go too f...