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States. >> he sounds like a man who always believed the ends justified the means. >> i think thats fair to say. and a lot of people, including the man who we just saw on the screen, would say that steve jobs pushed them to do extraordinary work, which i think is true. but in so doing, there was a tremendous cost. >> what was the relationship like between journalists and apple when steve jobs was in charge? this is something you also explored in the film. >> relationship was terrible unless, of c...