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very different story. mike emanuel live at the white house for us now. what is the latest from the white house, first of all, mike? >> reporter: jon the white house perspective that this is a huge problem, our nations debt, so this is the time to do something big and do something bold. it is not clear where the votes will be in terms of trying to do something of that nature. our understanding is from talking to sources, both here at the white house and on capitol hill is there were con...

$2.4 trillion, only after big and immediate spending cuts, as well as a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced federal budget. jon: it looks likely to pass in the house but the senate is a very different story. mike emanuel live at the white house for us now. what is the latest from the white house, first of all, mike? >> reporter: jon the white house perspective that this is a huge problem, our nations debt, so this is the time to do something big and do something bold. it is n...

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Great political plan, is takes the pressure off all the politicians, but allows us to pass a debt limit without making the hard choices that this country has to make. >> reporter: so senator coburn is not sold, but the question remains, where are the votes in the united states senate to get a bigger, boulder plan through to the presidents desk for his signature, jon? jon: it so happens we swr a senator joining us that might be able to answer that question. thank you. jenna: lindsey graham serves...

>> reporter: jack lei used karpa tkpwed done various times. the clock is ticking. we will get a better view of where things stand when we ask jay carney questions. jon: what is happening in congress specifically with that plan from senator mcconnell? >> reporter: its interesting, he introduced that as a back up, last-ditch effort type of a plan and its taken on strength as weve seen different constituencies battle for plans that may not have the support to get through both houses. in terms of th...

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