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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:23:00

review note to say, oh walter was confessed in jail. there is another confession. a jailhouse snitch could come forward to say that he had admitted again he had killed barbara jean. but the story the snitch told went even further, about why ogrod committed a crime. the story was that walter had fallen in love with barbara jean s mother, sharon, who had lived across the street. so walter decided that if he murdered barbara jean, the police would blame john fahy and when john fahy was taken away, sharon would be so upset that he should come to walter and then that would be, it would fall for him. prosecutor or be no argued that this delusional fantasy was the true motive, details or be no said that he did not

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:35:00

police officer, days after meeting ogrod, hall asked his wife to find information about barbara jean horn s murder. i went to the library in philadelphia and they have all of the newspapers, so i would give him copies. hall then use those articles to learn about the case, so that he could create a confession that sounded plausible. i had the notes that he made of the ogrod case. i have it all right in front of me, how he made it up. i found our library print out of a newspaper article but this barber jean horn case. hall also shared the fabricated story with another snitch. he gave the story to another inmate, like he got the story from walter, but walter and jay never communicated together. both snitches went to prosecutors claiming they each heard the same story from ogrod,

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:36:00

but only one of them testified. prosecutors told him that they had been using hall too much. now, all these years later, tom was convinced that ogrod had been railroaded by both police and prosecutors, which made what he had to do next especially difficult. you took your suspicions to barbara jean horn family. from the beginning, that was always looming for me. if i ve shown up at my door ask my dad, i will slam the door and told him to get lost. but sharon in john agreed to hear him out. john and i met with him, and he told us a lot of the different things that we re not right, he felt. he claims that walter s innocent and that he got a bad deal, and the police did it on purpose, it was accidental, that they coerced him, whatever. i never have wavered on walter s guilt. never. tom had not convinced the

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:58:00

livid. you ve got to understand, this guy is getting out and you are going to kill him before he gets out. get him treated. you are visibly angry now. i was visibly angry then, for and i am still angry now. as the weeks passed, from ogrod began to recover, called me from prison. my lungs felt like on june 5th, 2020, after 28 years behind bars walter ogrod finally had his day in court after an extraordinary effort from the da s office. his legal team and tom lowenstein he heard the de words he longed for. the judge vacated his conviction. his friends and family gathered in a parking lot near the prison. walter! i was sitting there like, pinch me, is this really happening?

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:29:00

clinton. president biden met with tech leaders to discuss potential dangers of artificial intelligence. representatives from amazon, google and meta and microsoft were among those who agreed to do for the emerging technology. now, back to dateline. k to dateline. welcome back to dateline, i m andrea cannon. after two sensational trials, walter ogrod was sentenced to the murder of barbara jean horn. he denied killing the little girl, insisting that police coerced his confession and that the story told by a jailhouse snitch was a lie. now, an unexpected highlight was about to help walter prove his innocence. back to lester holt with the investigation. walter ogrod had been on death row for five years when he heard from another inmate,

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