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In an investigation that implicates either me or my campaign because youre my Attorney General. Its my Justice Department and whats more, you can be a hero to conservatives if youll investigate my vanquished rival. When we meet with parliamentarians from emerging democracies we always urge them when you win an election, you dote seek to jail the losing side. Here our own president of the United States is trying to do exactly that. How big a deal is it fundamentally . Well, its a big deal in this...

Happen in the mccabe case and its exactly what will happen with bob muellers continued investigation of the russia matter. i just really hope that we dont fall for donald trumps trap that we dont start saying you know what? hes right actually. doj and all of this is just a bunch of political hogwash because if that happens, then were in real trouble. >> barbara boxer and jake sullivan, illuminating. thank you for being with me. next the president now floating a pardon for a man found guilty of...

Coming out of the justice department as pertains to these kinds of investigations? >> well, this is exactly the kind of trap that trump is trying to catch the entire country in. because hes trying to so discredit the basic institutions of our democracy, whether it be the fbi or the department of justice or the press for that matter. and he wants us to question whether any of this is real. so that if it ever lands at his door, he can say this is all just political. so i believe that at the end of...

Sent out there. dropped everything else he was doing. it was a priority. go out there and interview the guy who made that call. and what they found out apparently is this is a guy who just happened to see it, took a screen shot of it, and called it in, which is the right thing to do. didnt know who he was and this was in mississippi. i have seen the bureau criticized for not calling the broward county sheriffs office. well, how would you know? i mean, how would we know? we didnt call the pima co...

King county or genesee county or eric county. we dont know the guy. is that a real imname or assumed identity. we have to be careful we dont fall into hindsight bias where we know all this -- which is a well-known psychological phenomena of beginning to think once we know the outcome of an event that its more predictable than it was before it happened. there is a lot of that going on as well. >> yeah, i understand what youre saying. but there is certainly a lot of evidence there. and well put it...