We Werent Lying News Today

Joins me now. matt, "the new york times" today reporting that the presidents conspiracy theories erode trust in institutions including the media. t president -- catapulted him to political relevance. take a listen. >> im starting to think that he was not going there. meredith, he spent $2 million in legal fees trying to get away from this issue. and if we werent lying, why wouldnt he just solve it? i wish he would, because if he doesnt, its one of the greatest scams in the history of politics, i...

5%, 10%, 15%. by the end of the campaign, we mocked saying we didnt understand. the president had their head supporter youre like they were wrong during the entire campaign. why should i believe them now? >> thats true. >> and whats scary is we only have to be wrong once for him to say you see, its fake news. >> yeah, but we were wrong for 18 months. you understand that. the media was wrong for 18 months. >> we were mistaken. we werent lying. this is one of the things that he does. theres a diff...