and crucially he knows he is not supposed to do what he's doing, not supposed to get involved, admitting at much in a radio interview yesterday. >> you know, the saddest thing is that because i'm the president of the united states, i am not supposed to be involved with the justice department. i'm not supposed to be involved with the fbi. i'm not supposed to be doing the kind of things that i would love to be doing. and i am very frustrated by it. i look at what's happening with the justice department. why aren't they going after hillary clinton with her e-mails and with her -- the dossier. >> if we haven't yet heard widespread calls for impeachment, it's because this president's disregard for the rule of law for democratic norms, his authoritarian impulses are largely baked in in the country's perception, even among political insiders. it was just a couple of days ago, for example, that he called the american criminal justice system a joke and a laughing stock. on top of that, all indications are that the president is already under investigation for obstruction of justice for his firing of former fbi director
enforcement opens an investigation or prosecutes someone, it's based on the evidence and not on political ideology. and that's what make the president's comments so dangerous. he believes it's okay to use the incredible coerce i've power of the federal government to go after political enemies. it's wrong and it's also, by the way, obstruction of justice. >> the argument on the other side are these are the whalings of a fundamentally impotent individual. that were he actually directly ordering the department of justice to do this, that would be one thing, but he's just kind of whining about it on twitter the way that anyone watching fox news might. and, therefore, it's less of a threat and doesn't cross the line. what do you make of that argument? >> i suppose if this was donald trump, the real estate developer, doing things on twitter, it would be different. but he's the president of the united states. and if he in fact is under investigation, we don't know if he is, but if he is, then he has now either endeavored to influence or directly tried to
influence the investigation because of all these comments he's making, trying to distract or threaten or make attorney general sessions do something different or the department of justice do something different. this is obstruction of justice right out plain for everyone to see. >> you know, there are two other recent instances of him injecting himself into judicial proceedings. one is the tweet that he had about the alleged murderer who pledged to isis here in new york city should get the death penalty. lots of worry that that could corrupt that case, make it more difficult for the prosecutors. and just today bowe bergdahl, of course, who deserted his post was handed down a sentence in which he will get no time and part of the citation, part of the issue in the trial was that the president had exerted undue command influence by opining on the case. >> chris, that's an excellent case. i was a former prosecutor in the
prison. we can't have that happen because democracy depends on knowing that the rule of law is going to be administered fairly. >> all right, congressman ted lieu, great to have you. >> thank you, chris. joining me now, barbara mcquade, former federal prosecutor. as someone who worked for the department of justice and is familiar with the norms and regulations about the independence of that, what is your reaction to watching the president explicitly call for the department of justice to open up investigations of his political opponents. >> if it were anyone else it would be shocking but it's disappointing to hear these words coming from the president of the united states. i believe that the career prosecutors at the justice department are professional enough to tune out the noise and continue to focus and do their important work. but i think it is undermines public confidence in the legitimacy of the justice department and the independence of the justice department when you have the president making these kinds of statements. >> and we should also be clear, he has fired comey. he is essentially dangling jeff
sessions' job over him. i mean the defense, which you're saying, and what the congressman said, both of which i take to heart, which is it's not having an effect, right, on the other end, he's not pushing and they're doing his bidding. but there's no guarantee that holds up, is there? >> no, and i don't know that it matters. i still trust the integrity of the career prosecutors to do the right thing regardless of whatever it is the president is saying. but i do think that this becomes additional evidence in any obstruction of justice investigation that robert mueller is conducting. any one of these statements alone may not constitute obstruction of justice, but it's going to be the pattern of activity that robert mueller looks at when he makes an ultimate decision about whether obstruction occurred. >> i want to read bob corker's statement. if i'm not mistaken, he was the lone republican, i think, out with a statement on this today, certainly the lone republican senator. like me, most americans hope that our justice system is independent and free of
political interference. president trump's pressuring of the justice department and fbi to pursue cases against his adversaries an calling for punishment before trials take place are totally inappropriate and not only undermine our justice system but erode the american people's confidence in our institutions. >> i would hope everyone who respects the rule of law would speak out about this kind of sglamt unanimously. >> early on you could say president trump didn't get it, he's used to being a real estate executive who says what's on his mind, but again and again he has heard this is not appropriate for a sitting president. and it is also compromising real cases. we've already seen that it influenced the judge's decision in the bowe bergdahl case. i worry that it could have an adverse impact on the new terror case that was just filed in new york. >> there's a question here also about the obstruction investigation, and i want to go back to something you just said a moment ago, about this could be evidence in that. there's really a question about how broadly evidence for obstruction could be construed.
only the president can obstruct justice in a particular way that the president can do it, in a way that civilians or other folks can't. but you think these kind of actions and statements could be part of that case were it to be made by the special counsel? >> i do. i don't know that any one of these standing alone would be sufficient to bring a case of obstruction of justice but it's enough to attempt to influence the outcome of an investigation. if that's what he's doing, i think that could be part of the p totality of circumstances robert mueller looks at, along with firing jim comey. is that enough for obstruction of justice? every time he speaks an tweets, he makes the case stronger. >> barbara mcquade, thank you. tom steyer is putting some of his billions into an ad campaign calling for the president to be impeached. he now has almost a million and a half signatures. tom, i guess i knew your
position before what the president has done over the last 24, 36 hours. what is your response to the calls to go after hillary clinton in the context of your calls for impeachment? >> well, chris, i think this is an example of the disrespect for the rule of law that has characterized both the campaign and this presidency, and it is an example of the lawlessness that we have seen and which is the reason that we feel that it is appropriate now to call for the impeachment of this president. we think this is not -- i was listening to the previous segment, and i think that to be surprised or shocked or disappointed by this behavior means that you haven't been paying attention for the last year and a half. the fact of the matter is this behavior is absolutely unacceptable, but it is absolutely consistent with what we've seen from this president. as president and as a campaigner. >> it's funny you said that because i've been trying to
think about transporting myself out of the current day and think about another president doing this. of course it's almost inconceivable. if another president in my lifetime had done this, it would be an earth-shaking political cataclysm that would precipitate a crisis that would fall like dominos and it would be the only thing anyone talked about. and here it's kind of like, well, he's tweeting again. how do you overcome that in the public perception? >> well, chris, what we've done is we've asked -- we've tried to provide a venue for the american people to directly raise their voice. that's why we've called for impeachment, that's why we've given people a chance to sign up on our website, to add their name and their voice. and in fact we're over a million and a half, we're at a million six now, which is way more than we expected, so we know the american people agree with us that this pattern of lawlessness has got to stop. >> you know, you were running these ads on fox news. i think that's probably where
the president saw him tweeting wacky and totally unhinged tom steyer who has been fighting me and my make america great again agenda from beginning, never wins elections. have you ever run for election? >> not since school, chris. but fox news subsequent to that refused to fulfill their contract with us, which was to continue to run our ad. >> they cancelled the contract midway through after the tweet. >> yes. so we don't know why, we don't know whether it was a request from the white house, but what we do know is that they are k n censuring the voice of a million and a half americans that they are scared to air. >> so they're no longer running it on their air? >> correct. in violation of the contract that we have with them. >> i want to ask you about you're beginning to see signs of the legislative branch to go after robert mueller. politico has this headline about
conservatives introduce a measure demanding mueller's resignation. while ted lieu is saying this is obstruction of justice in plain sight. while the president is pressuring both the courts and the justice department, you have republican members of the house trying to go after mueller. what do you make of that? >> well, i think that what's going on here is not -- is politics. and let me say this, it's not me calling for the impeachment of this president, it's over a million and a half american citizens calling for the impeachment of this president. what the republicans are obviously doing with mueller is to prepare the way for more obstruction of justice because they know that this administration cannot withstand an airing of their behavior. but let me say, that behavior has been taking place in plain sight and americans can see it. what we're doing is lowering the standards of behavior and saying what was previously as you said completely unacceptable and lawless is now something that is excused as mildly vulgar and
impolite. it's not vulgar and impolite, it's lawless. >> all right, tom steyer, thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. more on the calls for special counsel robert mueller to step down. paul manafort's trial date is set and what the president said he remembers of the meeting that he attended with george papadopoulos in two minutes.
low-level advisor, he kept turning up. in a september 2016 interview on the subject of russian relations, papadopoulos said trump if elected president will restore the trust. the american jewish committee used trump foreign policy advisor george papadopoulos as a panelist in its republican national convention program, sitting alongside, get this, senator bob corker, delivering remarks. there's papadopoulos on the far left with republican congressman from the house foreign affairs committee, who were also on the panel. >> apart from personal experience, especially on iran, before i started working for the trump campaign i was based in london for the last seven or eight months. during my time in london i had an opportunity to meet with european energy companies and other commercial enterprises there in france, it isitaly and uk. >> you can almost see the thought bubbles of who is this dude. a british publication wrote
george papadopoulos, one of the business tycoon's foreign advisers shall said he had very productive talks with representatives of the foreign office in britain. two days after the inauguration of donald trump, the jerusalem post described a meeting between papadopoulos and regional leaders that occurred in washington, clearly referring to papadopoulos as a trump advisor. this is after inauguration. meanwhile today, in the case of trump's former campaign chair, paul manafort, u.s. district judge amy berman jackson proposed a may 7th trial date. the counts include conspiracy against the united states. michael isikoff from yahoo! news, natasha bertran join me now. it seems plausible papadopoulos was not high raning bking but w the american jewish committee is contacted and why do you have that guy there, because the trump campaign sent him, seems to mean something. >> i asked a former trump campaign official about this. he's just a low-level volunteer
talking point. and he said, well, reporters should really feel free to push back on that narrative because pretty much everyone on the campaign was a volunteer because trump didn't want to pay anyone. so this whole idea that he was a volunteer, hey, manafort was a volunteer too so he could have had very, very large responsibilities and a prominent role in the campaign and not been paid for it. >> michael, what do you make of his role and what we're learning about him? >> well, look, he clearly got around. and i was a little surprised at how long he stayed -- >> me too. >> -- on the campaign. we know that in march, you know, trump mentions his name to "the washington post" because he was under pressure to get -- to come up with foreign policy advisers because he didn't have a foreign policy team so he hastily -- they hastily put together these names. papadopoulos is one, carter page is another. not especially distinguished
foreign policy-wise men or women. but the key here that's significant is let's go back to that march meeting where he proposes this to set up something between trump and putin and he says this in trump's presence. papadopoulos has cut a deal with mueller. he no doubt has been questioned very closely on how the president responded to that proposal. we've had accounts that sessions shot it down. others were skeptical. what did president trump say when papadopoulos in his presence says, i've been meeting with russians who can set up a meeting between you and president putin. and i think that is really the biggest question that hangs over
the papadopoulos case right now. we know -- we know mueller's people have been questioning the people in that room. sam clovis, who was papadopoulos' campaign supervisor, was before the grand jury a week ago and had to resign -- pull back from his nomination to be at usda this week as a result of these disclosures. but mueller has some answers about what trump's response is, and i think that's very critical. >> i would just say i think that the march 31st meeting is extremely important, but i think the key to all of this is looking at it from what happened after papadopoulos was informed by this russia-linked professor that the russians had these thousands and thousands of e-mails that they said came from hillary clinton's campaign. when he essentially learned that the russians had dirt and they wanted to give it to the trump campaign. after that you saw a consistent effort by papadopoulos to reach out to high-level members of the trump campaign, apparently not j.d. gordon and jeff sessions because they shot him down but
to paul manafort, corey lewandowski, to pitch this trump/russia meeting. why did he want the president or the president's close advisers to meet with putin's people so badly? it's because perhaps he knew that there was something that they wanted to get. >> i want to play an interview the president gave i think just yesterday. and to look at his denial now of collusion with russia, which struck me as slightly different than what he said before. take a listen to this. >> do you think you would ever consider trying to have mueller removed or have you pledged to just stay out of that? >> well, i hope he's treating everything fairly, if he is, i'm going to be very happy because when you talk about innocent, i am truly not involved in any form of collusion with russia, believe me. that's the last thing i can think of to be involved in. >> michael, i am truly not involved in any form of collusion with russia. it's a little different than of course my campaign did not
collude with russia. i am truly not involved. i think that distinction matters because i think of iran contra and the way that defense ended up moving which was from the facts being established about the conspiracy an whether the president knew about it, you can imagine a similar kind of development along those lines here. >> yeah, look, mueller's case this week against papadopoulos on its face is about one member of his campaign who was colluding with the russians, who was in contact with them, who was trying to set up meetings with them. so i think the president may have been counselled just to bow to reality here and put it on himself rather than his campaign. but, you know, look, at the end of the day, we don't know. we just have to deal with the evidence that we've got. >> no, agreed. >> in front of us. and right now i come back to that meeting. yes, he proposed this to the
then candidate donald trump himself. and while others shot it down, he continued, so what did donald trump say to him after that proposal? >> that's the big question. what did donald trump say there and was he ever informed about the trump tower meeting. like the real questions, the outstanding ones which mueller will have access to because he'll talk to people involved, did the president ever know about this and what did he do? did he say yeah, let's go, let's do it. >> there's still skepticism surrounding where he was during that trump tower meeting. people really don't know, they haven't pinned that down, and during that march 31st meeting, the foreign policy rendezvous, he apparently was intrigued by papadopoulos' offer to set up this meeting. so he really didn't shoot it down. it seemed like his interest had been piqued and from there that will be mueller's probe. >> the last thing i'll say here is this was a very flat campaign organization. there was not a lot of layers between a guy like george papadopoulos and the candidate and that may come back to bite him in the ending.
michael, natasha, thank you. coming up, what other revelations are yet to come and what else has the trump administration forgotten? a former trump campaign advisor joins me ahead.
ask a question. russia is a ruse. i have nothing to do with russia. >> since that february declaration by the president, we have since learned significantly more about his campaign's entangle meants with russia. we learned that his son, donald trump jr. set up a june 2016 meeting with a kremlin-connected lawyer promising dirt on hillary clinton, among who's attendees included jared kushner and paul manafort. and we learned that former campaign advisor george papadopoulos has pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about contacts with russians and donald trump's former campaign chair, paul manafort, had a widespread web of alleged financial entanglements with russia-aligned interests and is now facing money laundering, conspiracy against the united states and more. but there's still a lot we don't know. and one man who might be able to shed more light, former donald trump campaign advisor michael caputo. he joins me next. does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment?
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said, i thought humorously, you said he was a coffee boy earlier today. and since again they have got more reporting suggesting that he did stick around after that march meeting. i want to play you a little tape of him at this event at the rnc with bob corker and ted yoho and tom marino. take a listen. we don't have that. so my question to you is if he is in fact hanging around longer than -- he's not exactly a coffee boy, right? >> well, no, he might have gotten some tea as well. you know, honestly and frankly, this guy seems like he was like gum on the bottom of the shoe with this campaign because his name keeps popping up and his face keeps popping up in these unusual places. kind of like the zelig of 2016 this guy. you know, he never should have been on that foreign policy advisory board. he had no credentials to do it. and if he was so important, why didn't he get an appointment to the transition team?
why isn't he serving in the state department right now? we're assigning way too much importance to this guy. >> but there's lots of people that played important roles in the campaign who didn't end up in the administration. paul manafort is a great example, corey lewandowski, who you famously feuded with. there are people playing key roles in the campaign who don't end up in the administration. that can't be the thing that determines whether they played important roles in the campaign or not. >> but you can't have it both ways. we're also hearing a lot of complaints that donald trump is not getting the best and brightest, especially into his state department and national security apparatus. if you had a pulse and some foreign policy acumen, i think you'd be in the administration's appointment -- among the administration's appointments right now. the fact of the matter is this guy was at ben carson's campaign for like five or six weeks. the way he got into that campaign was very similar, with an inflated resume and a linkedin message. >> right. but here's the thing. i am willing to believe
charitably this guy was low on the totem poll, but he was e-mailing sam clovis, who was up for an administration position until it was yanked in response to what happened. he said i've got a person who's a russian agent who can give me dirt on hillary clinton through vladimir putin's niece and sam clovis, who i think you would agree ranks higher is like awesome, let's do it. that suggests the campaign was into this idea. >> sam clovis actually brought papadopoulos and carter page into that advisory board to begin with, and so i would imagine that they would have been e-mailing back and forth. you know, clovis has said that he was trying to just be nice in his response. i know that he's since left his role -- pulled himself out of consideration for an agriculture job. actually i think that the fact that he was brought in at all by clovis or anyone was a mistake. and certainly responding in any
way to this kid suggesting meetings with russians -- >> 29 years old. >> it's just wrong, right. >> so i guess here's the thing, right. so in is lags, carter page was a weird guy, he went to moscow and we didn't approve it. george papadopoulos was low level and sam clovis was just flattering him and paul manafort was only on the campaign a little bit even if he was aligned with kremlin-backed interests and the meeting at trump tower when they were promised dirt from a russian lawyer on behalf of the government was a one-time fluke event and the meetings with kislyak were fluke events and the misremembering of them and flynn talking to the russians and also lying about that, all of that stuff was a set of individual flukey circumstances. you understand when those are together, it does start to look a little bad? >> it certainly does, especially when you're wearing a tin foil hat, i get that. this whole thing about the trump/russia collusion, you
know, began during the campaign when they first -- >> but what is factually inaccurate? is it not the case that there was an e-mail to don jr. saying the russian government is backing your father and we would like to provide you with dirt on hillary clinton and he said i would love that. >> i understand, that was a mistake. listen, actually i understand, chris, that the string of those statements -- >> you said a tin foil hat. is that a representation of a factual thing -- >> no, i'm not saying that you had a tin foil hat. i'm saying there's a large group of people out there who are wearing tin foil hats who think donald trump himself actually speaks russian after the sun goes down. and i think those -- >> let's say the facts that are entered in evidence as of now which do not prove that donald trump had some secret handshake deal with vladimir putin to hack into hillary clinton's servers, but when put together, do you understand why people view that as somewhat incriminating? >> i definitely do, chris. i said especially if you're inclined to think that way.
but also what we have here is also evidence if we all step back and take a look at it that clearly the russians were trying to get into this campaign. >> 100%, yes. >> i said that as far back as july of 2016. russia was targeting both campaigns. it's something we needed to deal with in 2016 and we need to deal with it now. >> i'm glad you said that because the desire to infiltrate seems clear. the question is was that possible. the final thing i'll say here the argument that there was a bunch of amateurs running around and it wasn't that well run an operation doesn't mitigate against the idea that they would be successful in penetrating it, right? >> right, it doesn't. >> the russians want to get in and there's all these weirdos hanging around, who knows if they were successful. micha michael, i appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. joy reid on how the president is faring after his first week in the indictment era. and new york's not new season, hotam. that's thing 1, thing 2, next. nick was born to move.
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with the president's campaign, or campaign activity. the real collusion scandal, as we've said several times before, has everything to do with the clinton campaign, fusion g.p.s., and russia. there's clear evidence of the clinton campaign colluding with the russians to influence the election. >> a month ago, get this, 41% of trump voters thought russia wanted clinton to win the election, which would be weird to think that. and now that same survey conducted after the news that mueller indictments coming out, finds that 56% wanted russia to win. there's the sort of connection. so there's two questions, one is what's happening on the trump base. it's been fascinating to watch
the trump tv network sort of turn this around, as the pressure has ratcheted up. you can see them spinning this countertale, which looks like it's fairly effective. >> i call it earth two. so on earth one, donald trump is in trouble because of russia ties during his campaign. on earth two, none of that is true. that's all just a hoax, and hillary clinton is the one with ties to russia and everything true about trump is really true about clinton. they're so thorough in this narrative and so disciplined about it and it's so consistent across conservative media. and people with a conservative bend are most likely to consume a small amount of media. in their universe, earth two is the real earth. >> the way i describe what's happening on the trump tv network is that it's like it is to reality what a really good theater set is to an actual
house. it's got this air of uncanny. that looks just like an actual news program. there's something slightly off. there's like little windows, something is slight li oly off it. but it seems convincing. i looked at some of the polling about this. there's this question about does this penetrate outside the bubble. does anyone know who paul manafort is? you had indictment of a former campaign manager. what is your sense what the polling says and public opinion how much that's gotten out? >> there are a lot of different pieces to this obviously. there's the first piece, which is level of awareness and how important it is relative to other things that people are focusing on. there is for sure a level of awareness of what's going on here. but it's not going to be the same moment by moment drama that folks who follow this for a living are going to capture. and that we should all expect that and know that and acknowledge that. that said, if we want to look at
the data and find where there is some bipartisan agreement, it is not looking on the outcome, not thinking about whether or not russia interference affected the outcome, because that's where people get very partisan, but looking at the investigation. should we have an investigation? is it important to have an investigation? is mueller doing a good job? on those metrics, there's, according to the abc poll that came out a couple days ago, there's actually a little bit more partisan agreement in some of those other questions. then the other thing i would just note is this current day, we have republicans and we have trump voters. so among republicans overall, there are quite a few republicans, about a third of republicans feel that mueller is doing a good job. there are republicans that feel the investigation should continue. there are quite a few republicans who feel that it's quite likely that paul manafort and george papadopoulos did something wrong. and that's among republicans.
now, hard core trump voters may feel a little differently, and it depends on what kind of question you're asking. >> the polling would seem to indicate that more americans think the president committed a crime than approve of the job he's doing in office, which is a remarkable place to find ourselves in. >> a not insignificant percentage think he should be impeached. the outcome actually matters. what a lot of democrat's temptation is, they want to say okay, let's just talk about how bad it is that russia interfered period, have an independent investigation and just talk about the broad issue of interference. but here's the problem, what if it did impact the outcome? that means the legitimacy of the president of the united states is questionable. every decision he makes, every judge he appoints could be illegitimate. and that's the question americans should be afraid of. psychologically it's very
difficult to be told that perhaps your vote was influenced by outsiders. >> you're stressing me out talking about it. >> that's part of the immaturity of the political system in the united states. >> if you talk about legitimacy, there's that idea that you get the partisanship. but you're starting to pull on a string, people are so distrustful any way. legitimacy is tenuous at this moment, that you feel like you're going to pull apart something more profound in terms of any faith in the political system at large. >> right, right. this is really about hey, this is serious. we don't -- let's see what happens. imagine if you have a trump administration really saying, we are as worried about this as everyone else. that would really change the tone. one of the things we're seeing with this is the role of leadership. how powerful when trump says this is something to worry about or not, there's a group of
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-- quote, president donald trump's national security advisor spent months trying to convince him to sign off on a plan to supply new u.s. weapons to ukraine to aid in the country's fight against russian-backed separatists. when the president finally authorized the major policy shift, he told his aides not to publicly tell his decision because doing so might agitate russian president vladimir putin. quote, he doesn't want to bring it up, one white house official tells nbc news. it is not something he wants to talk about, this source says. this new reporting helps fill in the blanks around what trump watchers have coined the president's do not congratulate call. that one where trump, over the objections of his national security advisors and in sharp contrast to the public statements from other american elected officials, congratulated vladimir putin on his election victory. nbc news reports that president trump also said to putin, quote, if you want to have an arms race, we can do that. now, while americans have debated whether to take trump literally or not, putin wasted no such time with that kind of foolishness, testing a new ballistic missile earlier today to help unpack the increase
-- increasingly bizarre relationship between donald trump and russia, we brought in some of our best exporerts and reporters. nbc news national security military reporter courtney cube, one of the by lines of the report we started with. jill colvin, white house reporter for the a.p. chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney, former senior fbi official, now lucky for us an msnbc contributor. and steve schmidt is back with us today. courtney, let me start with you on your reporting, and i think this is a development since your story broke. i'm sure prompted by the incredible detail in this account. but i understand that the much now expulsion of russian diplomats didn't have anything to do with the number of russian diplomats in this country at all. the head count could very much remain the same. it seems like another data point in the picture you paste -- you paint of a very conflicted donald trump when it comes to russia policy and russia p.r. >> that's right.
so he was presented last week with -- president trump was presented with three different options and he ended up going with the middle one, the one that was in the middle of a lighter option against vladimir putin and the one that was the harshest, and that included expelling the diplomats from the united states. what we found here was president trump has to be really pushed along when it comes to doing things -- when it comes to any kind of response to vladimir putin and russia's continued provocations. one of the specific cases that we looked into was arms sales to ukraine. the proposal to send javelin anti-tank missiles to ukraine in their fight against russia sat on the president's desk from august until december. now outgoing secretary of state rex tillerson along with other administration officials had to really continue to press president trump to approve this deal and to send the weapons to ukraine. >> courtney, do you get any sense from being in the building
that you cover that, you know, these military relationships, some of the intelligence relationships have been described to me as almost existing in a parallel reality with donald trump's public pronouncements and twitter feed. do you get any sense that this clash, that the fact that this sat on his desk for a good and important ally that has relied on the united states of america in previous administrations, that this is starting to strain the relationship between some of our important allies, at least from the pentagon's perspective? >> no, i mean -- you were spot on that they have a very different relationship, that it exists in a whole parallel universe. we often hear about general dunford, having discussions with his russian counterpart. there is this continuing no matter all the diplomatic problems that happen, there is this continuing de-confliction line. what that is, it's a way for the russian military and the u.s. military to talk on the phone directly to make sure that there's no altercations or any
kind of problems in the air over syria where they're operating in really increasingly close space all the time. while there are sort of the incidents here and there, they continue no matter what happens on the diplomatic side, no matter what happens on the provocations from vladimir putin or conversations the u.s. military and the russian military continue to operate in a pretty professional way, nicolle. >> jill colvin, you cover that building. i'm guessing there is nothing on background here from white house officials that surprised you. but it's pretty stunning to read in sort of the public sphere, courtney and our colleague kristen and carol's reporting, that aides said we can't go there, we can't talk about it. he doesn't want to tout his policy decisions. is this consistent with sort of the -- what you hear from being in the building you cover, the one behind you? >> you know, what's so interesting about that is that kind of really provided the internal script of what we all see play out every single day, which is we see -- we've seen
the press conferences, the president's twitter feed he won't go after putin, after the nerve gas attack in london. the president has not weighed in. the two issues he doesn't want to talk about stormy daniels and vladimir putin, the two people folks say again and again he doesn't want to criticize. there was something interesting in that story, that was his concerns about the potential arms war, the new nuclear weapons that putin claims to have created here. i thought it was really interesting that was the one area the president really seemed to get up there and be willing to be confrontational with putin telling him, you know what, if you're going to go and build these, we're going to build them even bigger.
the president is someone who likes to project this strength and this air of power about him. and if you've got putin who is kind of trying to play that same game with him, that's one area you might see the president potentially step up. >> steve schmidt, do you think that might have anything to do with any nuanced understanding of the cold war? do you think it would have to do with having bigger and better missiles? >> i think for sure he's making it up as he's going along. there's been no articulation, certainly not of a coherent strategy with regard to what's arising geopolitical adversary russia. a country with thousands of nuclear weapons, though its economy is smaller than the state of california's, it poses significant risk. and vladimir putin's number one objective is to undermine faith and trust in democracy across the western world. and in donald trump, he has a faithful ally because it is the president of the united states and his administration with their constant attacks on the rule of law on the intelligence community, on the justice department, and other vital institutions that are doing vladimir putin's dirty work.
that would be of interest to him and what sorts of crimes he could be possibly investigating if this change in the platform and all of the context and communications between trump campaign officials and russians that we now know about are on bob mueller's radar, too? >> sure, nicolle. thanks for having me. some acts appear on their face to be benign, some appear to be ambiguous, some can appear to be nefarious. changing the platform on its face can be completely benign. let me give you an example. if you and i went out and bought ski masks that would be benign. particularly if we went skiing. if we bought ski mask ands robbed a bank, that purchase looks quite nefarious. the mueller team is collecting all this data, asking tons of questions, trying to understand motives because what may appear ambiguous can in retrospect turnout to be quite nefarious.
analysis, right? if done for completely innocent reasons, if the republican party decided their platform was better without these planks than with them, then that's fine. that's the product of discussion and contemplation and negotiation. if they did it in return for something, something of value, either money or some other consideration, that could well be bribery. and so what's mueller looking at? bribery and obstruction of justice and interfering in the election. in several different manifestations, maybe to steal data and use it to the advantage of the campaign, or perhaps to just keep the russian government from releasing compromising information on the president. i don't know what the answer is yet, but i know that this pattern of conduct will help elucidate that. >> steve schmidt, one of the most searing memories of the 2018 campaign which we both served on mccain, he started
most days by talking to one of his dearest friends, the leader of georgia, and i remember i was on the road with him and you called me. he talked every morning on his cell phone, on a colleague's cell phone. the reason for that was he was reassuring him at this time of russian aggression and incursion that america would stand with the people of georgia. i remember a day it was a critical juncture in the campaign, i was on the road with senator mccain, joe lieberman, lindsey graham, he started a political rally in a battle ground state by saying today we are all georgians. you were furious. not that americans are dumb, but in the middle of a presidential campaign, they're not thinking of who he is and they're not thinking about the country of georgia. i wonder what you think about the fact that that was the man that the republican party nominated in 2008, and in 2016 the gop platform was changed to articulate precisely, in full view, in public, vladimir putin's desired policy vis-a-vis ukraine.
the american president would be hostile to autocrats. the american president would celebrate freedom and liberty and the concept of the dignity of the freedom of the human being. this president has no interest in it. what we've seen is vladimir putin act with impunity, with very little push back. he's seeing what he can get away with. he's getting away with a lot. and i think the danger that lies ahead, what happens if vladimir putin instigates an article 5 nato crisis, for example, in one of the baltic republics? what will the response be? is it possible that putin could break nato over the next couple of years? we don't know the answer to any of it, but we have seen an american president who is, for whatever reason it is, absolutely timid for the first time since harry truman confronted the rise of the cold war, for the first time an american president will not confront an adversary, and specifically the leader of russia. it is bizarre.
>> jill, let me let you jump in and pick up this thread based on the breaking news. just before we came on the air, we reported that bob mueller and his investigators detained a trump ally at the airport, at the logan airport. his name is ted malloch. he said he was told it was a felony to lie to the fbi. he would gladly cooperate with them. the agents produced a document allowing him to search his cell phone. i guess it was some sort of search warrant. chuck will correct me if i'm wrong. and malloch said the questions got more detailed about my involvement with the trump campaign which was informal and unpaid. whom i communicated with, whom i knew and how well. they had a long list of names. he said they asked him about former trump campaign advisor roger stone, author jerome coursy and wikileaks. he said he met stone a total of three times and always with
groups of people. he was asked if he visited the ecuadorian embassy in london where julian assange has been and he said no. how does this land, not the substance, everyone on the campaign is being pressed about ties to russia and potential conspiracy to commit crimes around the collusion investigation. but just the tactics. i remember hearing from white house sources that after the no-knock warrant was issued for paul manafort's home, after all the computers were seized, that people were more on edge. do these stories land with a thud in the west wing? >> at this point it's less of a thud than you've got a boxer who has been punched and punched and punched again and it's one more hit coming at them. this lands, this is the first time i'm hearing about this report. this lands as the president, as you know, is in mar-a-lago right now. he just got back from the golf course. the west wing is not particularly full today. people have chosen to take the day off or work from home right now. what's really interesting about this one is you see -- and we've heard this a little bit especially when sam nunberg was
on your air after he wound up being interviewed by mueller's team. they seem to be really highlighting roger stone and his potential interaction with julian assange and seeing that as a potential, you know, point of interest here clearly by these investigators. but every time the white house thinks that it moves on, every time they try to move to a policy issue, they try to break any new ground, it's again, russia, russia, russia. they just can't escape it. >> let me give you the last word, chuck rosenberg, in terms of helping us understand what this tells us about bob mueller's investigation and their interest in contacts with wikileaks. >> sure. first, i think that's right. they continue to poke and probe and prod at all connections russia. you are right, by the way, nicolle, they probably used the search warrant although at the border of federal law enforcement has a lot more leeway and may not need it. good prosecutors would have gotten one anyway to avoid litigating the issue. not all witnesses are crucial. this gentleman, i believe, is a british citizen so they have
jurisdiction over him while he's in the united states. why not hand him a grand jury subpoena while he's here and find out what he knows. that's what they did. >> why not indeed. courtney kube, congratulations on your unbelievable reporting. it kept me up last night. i read it right before i went to bed. congrats. jill colvin, thank you for your extraordinary reporting every day from that place. can't be easy. when we come back, fox news is having a bad week over laura ingraham losing supporters. a former fox news contributor writes today he should have left sooner and claims he was blocked on discussing how the russians might have ensnared our president. also ahead, the washington post pulls back the curtain on one of the most important white house offices, in details how the effort to hire the very best people may have been doomed before the president even took office. and his friends and family mourn the death of stephon clark an unarmed black man fatally shot by sacramento police. we'll talk to our friend rev al sharpton about the message he delivered at the funeral and his
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>> it is a support network that is -- will always react positively to everything that he does. it's not journalism. it is propaganda. >> our friend, that was our friend rick stengel on this program yesterday talking about where fox news fits into the white house. former fox news contributor the network worked to silence his concerns about the trump campaign in russia. ralph pete writing in the washington post, i was increasingly blocked from speaking on the issues about which i could offer real expertise. russian affairs and our intelligence community. i did not hide my views at fox and as word spread that i believed an investigation into russian interference was essential to our national security, i was excluded from segments that touched on vladimir putin's possible influence on an american president. his campaign or his administration. joining our panel today, evan mcmullen, former cia operative who recently ran for president as an independent. the rev al sharpton, host of politics nation here on msnbc. and president of the national action network. lydia, editor in chief, and brett stevens, op-ed columnist. steve schmidt is still here. let me start with you, evan.
this was not some squishy moderate that fox news kept around from the old days. this was a highly regarded, i think former -- served in the army. >> uh-huh. >> and his expertise, he'd been face to face with russian intelligence officers in his military career. and when he wanted to articulate his concerns, not simply about donald trump, but on behalf of america, he was shut down on fox news. what does that tell you? >> it's not a surprise. you used to have all kinds of conservative thinkers who refused to get on board with trump but would still be allowed on fox. that changed after the election and, you know, you don't see them any more. >> like george wells, they're all here right now. >> i'd like to say brett stevens, exactly. ralph peters was suspended by fox for being too critical or disrespectful to president obama. this guy has the sort of fox credentials and he also has
intelligence credentials and he is saying that, as you said, they wouldn't let him speak, use his expertise to tell the truth to the american people. that's a problem. but this is, this is how fox has become a propaganda mouth piece for the president, addressing a segmented audience, not with truth, not with facts, but with its own fake news, even as it calls out other reputable reporting that's not positive for the president, fake news. >> that's the what. what is the why? >> ratings. >> it is popular to offer political cover to vladimir putin? >> it's political audience. >> i can tell you when it happened, march of 2016, when it became clear that donald trump was going to be the nominee of the party and suddenly some of us who maintained our consistent opposition to trump's candidacy found ourselves being invited less and less often to the point of being never invited onto the network.
now, whose decision -- >> that was your experience? >> that was my experience. whose decision was i don't know. it would be foolish to consider the possibility that a network owner who treasures his proximity to power, his proximity to the candidate and now his proximity to the president might be averse to having someone like ralph peters with impeccable conservative credentials attacking him for the right, precisely on this hypersensitive issue of russia because, of course, on this subject peters is absolutely right. >> i have to just say also, it's a business decision, right? if your audience is aligned with trump because of rote extreme partisanship, you have to keep that audience there. if you lose that audience, if they realize there is a problem with trump, they go to other competitors -- >> we put together, we wanted to show people who he was. he is such a right winger that fox is the only place he could find a tv home, i would guess. and so to the point -- but
that's the point. this is someone who is 99% -- you're talking about it as a business. in the interest of disclosure i have to say working for republicans it was sometimes nice to have fox cut the republican side some slack. but i've never seen steve schmidt -- what we see now day in, day out, the attack on bob mueller who was the republican pick to run the fbi after 9/11 and kept this country safe from terrorism. the attacks on the republican-run justice department, the attacks on the republican-trump appointed run fbi. this seems with the departure and whistle blowing, if you will, television version from this former contributor, this seems like a new layer of the conspiracy to cover up not just for donald trump, but for the russians. >> there was an extraordinary documentary, nicolle, that was unveiled in my hometown park city, utah, this past sun dance film festival. it was called "our president." it was a look at all of the russian television coverage of donald trump during the election
in the first months of the presidency. on russia state tv, he is routinely referred to as our, meaning, russia's president, russia's guy in the white house. and if you look at the themes that are spewed forth to the russian people on state-controlled propaganda tv about the conspiracy in the intelligence communities, the conspiracy in the justice department, the russia today coverage thematically is a very, very close to the type of stuff the american people are subjected to through fox news's misinformation campaign. in fact, i wouldn't fall out of my chair given the close coordination of stories whether by coincidence or design if there was a morning meeting to coordinate what we're going to talk about on the news of the day. but for sure, with the same exact intensity that russia today undermines america's
institutions, fox news undermines america's institutions with salacious and false attacks impugning the credibility and motives of american patriots with nonsensical conspiracy informations, fake news, and misinformation. and we have never, ever seen an american television network so subordinate itself for profit to fake alternate reality news at the service of a political figure. it's positively frightening to see it developing in the united states of america. >> let me -- steve is talking about america, not homeland. lydia, let me show you something that our colleague richard engel is reporting tonight. it is in line with this fox news contributor's concern. the russians are up to no good. let's watch and talk about it on the other side. >> this is your kgb card.
>> he says just last month he got a call from a friend still on the inside. >> he told me, look, be careful. look around. >> his source told him he was one of eight on a hit list. it includes skripal and christopher steele, author of the infamous trump/russia dossier. >> do you think that the fact that there are -- i mean, america -- it's so surreal. america's allies are responding to russia's actions in the u.k. against russians living there. do you think that there is a danger in not just people not seeing these stories, but being misinformed about the nature of vladimir putin's russia? >> there is no question that this is probably the grave est danger that faces our country right now. in that report which i watched earlier, you have the conclusion that the nerve toxin was likely
smeared on the doorknob of this man's home. i mean that's something out of the americans. what's next? are we back into cold war duck and cover? so, i think it's a huge problem. and what is most worrying for me is i saw recently a chart that was done based on some facebook data where they were asking people about trusted news sources and sorting them by self-identified conservative or liberal. liberals, of course, had a significant amount of trust with a wide range of mainstream news organizations. but on the conservative side you had one outlier and that one outlier was fox news. i think it's extremely worrying that we have this very polarized news consumption audience. and television is so powerful, so if you have a whole segment of the population that is essentially getting all of its news and information from fox news, i mean, nobody on this chart, nobody trusted breitbart, nobody trusted newsmax even though we've been extremely worried about those factors.
it's not even about facebook. but fox news, i think, as it's become more and more heat and had more and more conspiracy minded and is ignoring the core stories, the things that are really a threat to our democracy, i think has in some ways emerged as enemy number one to our democracy. >> i don't think it's only the -- that they are trying to project something that is different. it's outright demonizing those that will not go along with the narrative. it's one thing to be right leaning or left leaning. it's another thing where you are now reinterpreting what the right is about. and i think what is unfair to a lot of people, including schmidt and present company at the table is that we are seeing the redefining of what it means to be on the right by whether or not you're loyal to donald trump. that's where -- >> that's exactly the point.
>> that's where the danger is. >> fox news used to represent conservative opinion. now it represents a cultive personality. that's what's changed. >> that's my point. that's dangerous. and we never did that -- i mean, on this station, a lot of us were progressive, liked president obama, but there were people on the far left would come on this station and attack obama. he didn't define progressive politics. they are allowing trump to define the parameters of what it is to be a right winger. if you're anti-trump, you're no longer a legitimate right winger. that's dangerous. >> you come on over here. up next the shocker, the people in charge of hiring the very best people to work for donald trump do not appear to be the very best people based on an extraordinary piece of investigative reporting from the washington post. whoooo.
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we're going to use our smartest and our best. we're not using political hacks anymore. that's the people that do these deals. they're political hacks. we want experts, our finest people. we don't want people b level c level d level. we have to get our absolute best. >> i don't think so, mr. president. even your people in charge of hiring the best people aren't the best people. "the washington post" investigated the office responsible for hiring. we used to call it ppo or presidential personnel office and writes, quote, since the inauguration most of the staffers in ppo have been in their 20s, little professional experience apart from trump's campaign. even as demands mounted the ppo became something of of a social hub. for young staffers stopped by to hang out on couches and smoke electronic cigarettes. the panel picking their jaws up off the table. they're still here. >> this is vodka. >> i mean, i love my mommy water.
i worked in the white house for six years and never played a drinking game there. >> look, is it any surprise that the best and the brightest aren't exactly rushing to this white house? i would say in their defense, if you were working in this white house, nicolle, wouldn't you have already been drinking heavily? >> i mean, let's not be glib on that point because, one, i would have never worked in the white house. people called me as i'm sure they called you and sure they called you and asked if they should go in there and i've said, no, run. i don't have any sympathy for people that go in there. they choose to be in there. when they get savaged in the press -- i heard from a couple today who were in the middle of a couple fights themselves, i'm happy to listen but i feel no sympathy. they brought this on. and to me one of the biggest scams donald trump perpetrated on his voters was what we saw. hiring the best people wasn't some random thing he said. that was as central as building the wall. >> he made that central to his campaign implying that the president that was in at that
time and those that preceded him didn't have the best people. but again, as someone that knows him, look at his management style -- >> i'm going to say bush's bag person had a greater intellect and is more character than most of the people running around donald trump's west wing. i mean, the fact that they don't care who goes and works -- it makes me crazy. >> that's what tells you about whether they really care about the country. >> exactly. >> if you look at his management style, who did he have in the trump organization? his kids, michael cohen, and they paid homage to roy cohn. did he have the best and the brightest in the real estate business and in private industry? he's always operated that he's the smartest guy in the room, which means he by definition is going to have to have not so smart people in the room. >> let's think about the backgrounds of some of the people who have had trouble getting hired at this white house. never mind some very incompetent people working there. but you've had, you know,
domestic violence issues that have caused issues with security clearances, you've got dwis, allegations of assault, financial double dealing, all this kind of stuff. so, best and brightest i don't think so. >> evan? >> i would say it used to be in the conservative movement that was before trump -- and that's a whole other topic -- we would call for accountable government, right? and trump comes in with bannon and says, look, we're going to dee construct the administrative state. we're going to drain the swamp, all this stuff. that sort of call for accountable government has now become an anti-government approach and argument such to the effect that they're unwilling to conduct effective governance. and i think it's really going to create problems. we've been so lucky with the exception of puerto rico and what happened in texas, we've been lucky that we haven't had additional crises in this country during this presidency. that will not last.
we will face challenges and we're going to be unprepared for them. >> let me just -- >> yes. >> on a serious note, i remember in 2001 or 2000 when george w. bush was campaigning really against bill clinton more than al gore. he kept talking about restoring honor and integrity to the white house. and central to that sort of conservative view was that the white house was a sacred space, that it had to be treated with an immense out of respect. >> let me tell you how that manifested. we had to wear business -- if you went into the white house on the weekend, you didn't wear jeans and a sweater. i come into this building we're casually dressed, we were permitted to walk on the white house complex under george w. bush. there were policy disagreements with his administration. there is something that's been lost about what you said, the sacredness. steve, i want to read you something. i want to give you two facts and have you respond to them for us. let me read you one more chunk
from the story because i think it will blow your mind -- this story triggered me today. made me crazy. then i want to tell you who retweeted it. someone i follow on twitter. so, ppo leader hosted happy hours in their offices that included beer, wine and snacks for dozens of ppo employees and white house liaisons federal agencies. white house officials confirmed in january they played a drinking game in the office called icing to celebrate the deputy director's 30th birthday. icing involves hiding a bottle of smirnoff ice and the person who discovers it, in this case the deputy detectiveoirector, g. this article was retweeted by kellyanne conway's husband on twitter who has been spending some time deleting some of his tweets of late. what do you make of the story and of the fact that even the husband of one of the president's -- i think most people would argue supporters retweeted an article pretty critical of them? >> yeah, it's not cute. it's disgusting. the comportment of these people
is shameful. and none of these people who are working in the white house are hostages. in fact, we're the hostages and they're complicit with the hostage takers when we look at the assaults on these vital institutions and their work to degrade the office of president of the united states. it's just really a tragedy that we have tens of thousands of kids look at the president of the united states and they see a joke. you can't watch the evening news with your children because any different moment the newest porn star will be on explaining the relationship. and from a personnel perspective, we've never quite seen the assemblage of crooks, just outright weirdos, wife beaters, complete and total incompetence that's been assembled. if you took the ten greatest hr managers in the world and put them together and said we want to form a 1927 yankees of
incompetence, it's not possible they would have done a better job than assembling this team and it's not possible that this team could have let loose more chaos than they already have. evan is exactly right. as we get closer to the tragedy that will inevitably come to this type of people in an office where life and death decisions are made. >> just real quick. let's not forget that the place where trump has been most limited in terms of his choices of who to hire and getting people to come work for him is in foreign policy. >> right. >> none of the republican foreign policy establishment is willing to work for this guy at any level. and that should terrify all of us. >> and it is ridiculous, but it's also tragic the rev was in sacramento yesterday at the scene of another tragedy promising justice for the family and friends of stephon clark, an unarmed black man shot and killed by police. the rev also called out this white house for suggesting police violence is a local issue. we'll show you the remarks and talk to rev about the law and
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>> that was our friend and colleague the rev al sharpton speaking yesterday at the funeral for 22-year-old stephon clark, he was killed by police in his grandmother's sacramento backyard. nearly two weeks ago. the officers thought he had a gun but he was unarmed. he was just holding his cell phone. the part that upset so many in the community, officers arrived on the scene, they muted their audio on their body cameras. an independent autopsy ordered by the family revealed clark was shot eight times from behind or the side. >> it is unbelievable when you think about -- >> chilling. >> you have an overhead camera -- well, not camera, helicopter. that's videoing this guiding the police. so, why are you coming with deadly force when the most he could have done is go into a house that they would have found was his grandmother, called for back up, and apprehend him? the tape shows they immediately shot after saying show your hands.
and it's 20 shots, nicolle, one black cop, one white cop. the protests have been all nonviolent. many whites marching because this is not about white and black, it's about right and nonviolent. many whites marching. this is not about white and black but about right and wrong and law enforcement. we began to move towards some progress in this area under the last administration with president obama's commission and calling for cameras on police but when you have police men on tape saying mute the sound then you are engaging in the most frightening of all and that is we are not going to be transparent at all. let me just say this very quickly. george bush sr. dealt with rodney king and when the tape came out rodney king fortunately didn't die. always met with us even if we disagreed with police brutality.
this president saying that is a local issue. >> let's watch that. >> certainly a terrible incident. this is something that is a local matter and that is something we feel should be left up to local authorities. we want to make sure that all law enforcement is carrying out the letter of the law. the president is very supportive of law enforcement but at the same time in these specific cases and these specific instances those are left up to local authorities to make that determination and not something for the federal government to weigh into. >> every major civil rights case and every civil rights movement had to go to the federal government because dealing with local prosecutors you deal with the politics of the intrinsic relationship between police and prosecutors. secondly, what do you mean it's a terrible incident but for local authorities? what about dealing with the national issue of policing?
one that you knew when you came into office, one this attorney general has to deal with. i think it was absolutely frightening to many of us to hear her say that. i wanted to address it at the funeral. >> i think that struck accord. you and i spent a lot of fall talking about this idea that it is too small for the white house to get involved in. he trolled the nfl every weekend. i want to show you how -- i lived in sacramento and was parade to see the owner of the sacramento kings' response. >> we recognize your people's ability to protest peacefully and we respect that. we here at the kings recognize that we have a big platform. it's a privilege but it is also a responsibility. it's a responsibility that we take very seriously.
and we stand here before you old, young, black, white, brown and we are all united in our commitment. >> i find that so important and significant because you take coach kerr with the warriors, you take the owner of the kings and you talk about the vacuum of morality and leadership. race relations in this country are a tender box. and the white house at best left the vacuum in place. are you heartened by the way you see some figures step into the vacuum? >> i think a lot of the family was who has been out front. the brother even said he wanted to see people work with them if they wanted to move positive. you have to remember all of these protests, dramatic, yes and drawing attention and so did all of us but all nonviolent.
the only violence we have seen in this whole situation was when the police shot and killed stephon clark. i think this president had the obligation to address this. he tweets on people talking on television. he tweets on athletes taking a knee. you don't have anything to say when the whole country is looking at a tape. this is a tape. >> this is a president who encouraged the police to roughly handle suspects when they put them in the car. >> and he just came out saying we should have the drug -- they didn't say leave that to the local police. what thunderstois the standard ? >> i challenge you to show a single time when donald trump showed moral leadership. >> i think it is a good point. i want to jump in on this local
issue. it's not just shirking the responsibility. going back to the civil war people who were racist or less sympathetic to the plight of african-americans would talk about federalism and state rights. this is a local issue. it's not for the federal government. our founders decided that the right to life was a federal issue when they put it in our declaration of independence. and so i don't want to hear that anymore. i believe that federalism is important but i don't want that to be carried by racists and bigo bigots. i have had enough of it. it's just i hate to hear that argument. i feel like we're going backwards and making america great again as though we are trying to go back to the civil war. >> if you talk to the effective police commissioners they will tell you the key to reducing
crime is trust for the community. it cannot be police against community. it has to be with it. that is what the president consistently fails to understand. >> you have a minute. button this up for us. >> it's a young man who shot down, shot eight times in his backyard while unarmed in a city that both you and i know well, a city that we both lived in for many years. it's a tragedy but it also speaks to a reality in the country where there is not justice for many people. and that is prevalent in the african-american community. and so this is an issue that needs attention, needs leadership, needs moral authority from the leaders of the country which we don't have right now. >> on that sad note we will sneak in our last break. we'll be right back. o and got more. more savings on car insurance? a-ha. and an award-winning mobile app. that is more.
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drones have become really popular in the last 10 years due to technological advances which meant they were easier to control and at the same time federal aviation authorities began to give out commercial licenses soon you could be getting your post and certainly your possibles delivered by drone however an exhibition zeppelin museum in frederick solvent in southern germany shows that drones in some form or a been around for centuries. the 1st drone in history launched a frenchman into the sky in 1783 after landing in paris the hot air balloon was attacked by angry farmers. they had no information whatsoever about this experimental voyage they thought the hot air balloon was some sort of or something mysterious in any case something so the frenchman and his heart. to be dangerous and the balloon was destroyed nearly half
a century later the 1st air raid to austrian forces besieged venice in 849. was triggered by the length of the fuse but also dependent on variables such as the wind pretty vanda but one bomb did reach its target so this was not only the 1st air raid in military history but also if you like the 1st combat mission of an unmanned drone. this short film highlights the difficult experience of today's combat drone pilots. feel i mean. i can tell you what type shoes are worth. from a mall where. i can tell you what type of person you wear like that appear. to work you see a lot of. people. with a terrible contrast. they go from their homes to an office somewhere sit down at
the company operate a drone and if they received the other day and they shoot and at the end of the day . and a lot of people look like help from the p.t.s.d. if you were actively in a war zone while technically speaking every single day i was active in a war zone i mean i may not have been personally horrible those directly affected people's lives over there every single day. drones are only present today as a means of surveillance but also in political resistance for the saami people fighting for their traditional nomadic way of life the drug is like a helpful spirit from the mythical world. documents the destruction of nature by dams power lines and mining. drones help to frame the protest by providing compelling images. that.
the media has also fallen in love with the bird's eye facts of. the world can be so beautiful when seen from above. that drugs can also reveal the fragility of night shot for example here in bavaria where land is being eaten up by car production. it is also responding to the drug the 1st and she drone collection the specially fitted. can deceive thermal imaging cameras used to spy drones and artistic protest against total surveillance this silhouettes of a u.s. war drone sends a clear message beware of drones but the actual drones are kilometers up in the sky
where they come piecing. media artist raphael up plays in her work with the male gaze on women through the lens of plastic grown up all these toys. and it seems like a dance between man and woman but on the other hand it also looks a bit like bullfighting it's threatening moving in. the space between attack and defense this is to area this with functions and it is i'll buy it. for the 1st time and museum gets to grips with the way drones are radically changing many areas of life it's fascinating and scary. for now we still have the control. now resident but one david leavitt's is take us through german literary classics in our continuing series 100 german must reads today
a novel published just 5 years ago in english called why we took the car by volved hand-off 2 teenagers from very different backgrounds were just disenchanted with life take a road trip and eventually find out the world is pretty cool after all. if you were really my friend would you help me still a car. and . want to know what real friendship is breed why we took the car by bus can hand off it's about an unlikely pair of 14 year olds mike as a rich coward who feels like a loser and chick is a drunk russian immigrant who's got nothing to say. it's the story of their getaway in a stolen car think mark twain but in 21st century eastern germany they decide to
drive to remain but they end up in the middle of nowhere on the way they meet a bunch of weirdos and they learn that life isn't as bad as everyone says it is ever since i was a little boy my father had told me that the world was a bad place and maybe it was true maybe 99 percent of people were bad but the strange thing was that on this trip chicken i had run into almost only people from the one percent who weren't bad. why we took the car is not a book for woodson's but if you're up for the adventure it may restore your faith in humanity now if you were really my friend you'd read more books like this one. but she. tells the story of a rather cold princess in china looking for a husband but potential suitors who don't make the grade her writes accuses now in traditional chinese opera acrobatics some. old and a new production into
a. festival just south of munich combines western and eastern operatic stahl's even recruited a martial arts expert to train the cost of. italian opera meets try. nice martial arts unusual but fitting just come up with cheney's story of turin dot a princess living in china reimagined. miscarriage taught the choreography to over a 100 singers. jack chong chan won several international conflict titles including the world championship born in hong kong she wanted to become stronger through martial art from an early age. so if you can feel has helped me a lot not just my health but also my concentration. and it has
a culture of its own to. this being it's a good sport and has given me a lot of feel when called well done its worst and that's why i just want to share it with other people. and so i take joy in that as book as well as. this is our 1st time working on an opera modifying the confluence of sizes to match the music was hard work. the music is the most important part of the opera and i had to study it 1st in order to use suitable movements. singing is very important i need to plan in such a way that they can sing and also via the flea and shown to be. the singers had one month for the training baritone markers nieminen really enjoyed the rest her sorts. it was all. such long
choreographed scenes are quite rare and it's quite a challenge and this is what i think it will turn out to be very nice. yet concerning. the performances part of the emailing fast of all and but varia it's been taking. claims every summer since 1997 this year singers from 30 different countries are taking part. in the you know the was. the artistic director came up with the idea of combining the pro tour and darts with kung fu this piece is especially close to his heart to. ringback ringback be shocking because you have a great affinity towards china also i've traveled there many times and i've seen quite a lot of them come after him and when i stated
a beautiful shaolin monastery for 2 whole days it was unbelievable i was excited watching those people and what they do see their mom. anton chan hopes that elements from other cultures like confluence will be incorporated into classical opera more often. into nice. call for. chinese opera kung fu is a very important element. in western up or it's still quite new and to me it's really interesting to be a part of all this. over $20000.00 opera fans attend the festival every year. in brilliant i'm very impressed by it you know that one woman with the sword i really liked her i can't see that well any more help she but what i could see was very impressive because you know really a great story of. her and art with conflict or unique
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that's what the biden team thinks they have in their back pocket. by the time we get to election day, the war, they hope, will be in the rear-view mirror. the economy will be so good, people can't deny it. abortion, as we've seen in the midterms and the fact that people, especially centralist voters, will they vote for donald trump? biden supporters are convinced they will not. >> i'll tell you, jonathan lemire, always like to have three things to run on. dobbs, democracy, and dough. i had to find a "d," money in people's pockets. >> it's okay. >> for a year that, if you look at the numbers where they're supposed to go, they're actually going to be much stronger than a 1984 when we heard about ronald reagan's morning in america. reagan got 49 states. but you add on top to have that, and i'm serious when i say this, you add on top of that weirdos,
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news and leave it to the rest of us. and it's safe to say i think we're doing a better job. [cheers and applause]. >> period! >> greg: let's welcome tonight's guests! she puts the fox in fox news, host of the story, martha maccallum! [cheers and applause] >> greg: he thought love is all you need, until he lost half his stuff. actor, writer and comedian jamie lissow! [cheers and applause] >> greg: she's a woman of the people, and those people are weirdos. fox news contributor, kat timpf! [cheers and applause] >> greg: and finally, black cats avoid him for bad luck. my massive side kick and the nwa world champion tyrus! >> greg:. >> greg: so this story involves a number of variables. you've got fights, brawls, you've got race. who's the expert here on this?