jesse: i am jesse watters along with judge jeanine pirro, harold ford jr., sandra smith and will cain, it s 5:00 in new york city, and this is the five. ron desantis and gavin newsom throwing down in the epic red versus blue state debate on hannity the governor s talking trash for months and finally getting the chance to hammer each other s record face- face-to-face. it s because they taxed too much, they regulate too much, they have a political agenda, they have lost a lot of companies. a 21 state population combined, the fifth largest economy in the world. he had the kids locked out of school because of the teachers union, that s having a generational impact. speak of the last guy you want to talk to on the interview is immigration. lying to migrants promising them jobs and housing, sending them to an island, martha s vineyard prince because this is where they plop the human that are found on the streets of san francisco. jesse: also taking some vicious pe