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Outsider insurgent the way i was in 1992 and 1996. and hes also taken the issue of immigration and unfair trade deals that robbed the country of jobs and investment. and hes riding the issues extremely well. the difference is, donald trump is far, far ahead of where i was. >> how so? >> in thele wh ll polls hes ruo to three in front of the republicans in the national party. in 1992 i did well against president bush but we never had the massive enormous crowds that donald trump is getting or the ...

Sakes. he was a big defender of herman ca cain. hes on both sides. >> let me try something with you first, joy. lets put all ideology aside, lets put all values aside. lets just think about strange guts. this guy seems to be fearless to me. i know he had a pullback on the civil rights bill. we all went through that with him because he was a complete ideologue and didnt want to defend what was -- nobody wants to hear that. theres no reason to pose civil rights these days. nobody is going to liste...

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