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I would be more suspicious that jon sale, a former watergate prosecutor, said i see whats going on here and im out of this but he does need a lawyer. you know the old saying, a lawyer who represents himself as giuliani says he is, has a fool for a client. >> michelle wine-banks, michelle goldberg, thank you both for joining us. okay. final countdown of our final special live recording of "why is this happening? a reminder, its happening monday october 21st in downtown los angeles. going to tal...

A client. >> michelle wine-banks, michelle goldberg, thank you both for joining us. okay. final countdown of our final special live recording of why this is happening. a reminder, its happening monday october 21st in downtown los angeles. going to talk to adam mckay, director of the big short, vice, and awe thouthor of one of my fe books who wrote "the american war." you can get tickets. there are a few left. go to our website at msnbc/withpodtour. for a chance to win tickets you might want to...

And new york which is still in the works. watch this space for updates and since today is tuesday, we also have a new episode of "with pod" out today. trace is a lawyer at the aclu, an absolute powerhouse figure in the fight for trans rights in america. i had the great fortune to sit down with him to talk about this moment in the movement, the battle for trans rights and equality and the case that he is preparing that will go before the supreme court in just a month and its up now, available whe...

Have a new episode of "with pod" out today. trace is a lawyer at the aclu, an absolute powerhouse figure in the fight for trans rights in america. i had the great fortune to sit down with him to talk about this moment in the movement, the battle for trans rights and equality and the case that he is preparing that will go before the supreme court in just a month and its up now, available wherever you get your podcasts.