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That, and i think thats why the fbi is involved. i think the number one question that everybody wants answered is, did the upper management at phoenixen gauge in a criminal -- engage in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the government out of money by providing bogus numbers, and the other issue is were veterans harmed because of that. bill bill so they were trying to imthe numbers to look good and in exchange get money for it. >> that would be the potential crime. bill: what about those stuck on ...