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He said that the british people can face any misfortune with fortitude and buoyancy, a classic turtle phrase, as long as they are convinced that their leaders are not lying to them, or not themselves dwelling in a fools paradise. so, its a two-pronged test. we want to make sure that they are not misleading us. but you want to use your best judgment that you are not misleading yourself. i think if we can check those two boxes, we can move forward. >> heres the thing, jon meacham, i can understand...