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In what was supposed to be down year the 2022 Chiefs once again won the division and got the #1 overall seed in the AFC. How did that happen? Yes Mahomes. Yes Kelce. Yes Chris Jones. But there were.

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appearances before a grand jury. and then also some reporting, indicating that he is a subject of investigation. i ll start with you asha, then woodchuck. asha, what do you think? yes chris. what i m looking at is who where they talking to and are these people fruitful avenues of investigation to get to trump s personal, criminal liability. and i think that this is where short and jacobs are changing the game a little bit. all of those instances that you laid out chris in the beginning, which has protected trump is that he has been able to maintain a cone of silence around him. partly by never having a paper trail, partly by surrounding himself with loyalists who will never write him out. and what short and greg jacobs allow is for them to pierce that cone of silence from the vantage point of mike pence. to get to what was being told in these personal

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it s good have you both, and because you both have a lot of institutional knowledge here, and have to say again we re watching the sort of outside of this black box machine occasional little glimpses come into view. trying to make sense of it. i just want to give your sense of how you understand the developments of what we ve gotten in public, violence and also some of the reporting indicating that he is the subject of investigation. asha, what do you think? yes chris. what i am looking at is. who are they talking, to and are these people fruitful avenues of investigation to get to trump s personal liability. all those instances that you laid out in the, beginning is that we

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division and a lecture at yale university, author and editor of the forum just security, and chuck rosenberg he s a former senior fbi official. they both join me now. it s great to have you both. i know both of you have a lot of institutional knowledge and experience you are carrying into this discussion. so, maybe let s first start with the state of things legally as we know from just what is publicly available. and the degree to which that has changed. so i will start with you, asha rangappa. the degree to which you think along the lines of wet harry litman and others have said, have said is new territory, for facts and the law, as we know them. yes chris, thank you for having me on. so i think it s important at the outset to know that the january six community and the department of justice, even though that they are working in parallel, they have different goals. they want to seek legal

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