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Refuses to respond to the special counsel, refuses to answer question and utterly creates a constitutional crisis. does paul ryan have the guts, the courage to stand up to the president of the united states? he has shown absolutely no courage. zero. up until now. none. but it will be on paul ryan at that point to defend the institutions of this democracy. i dont have any faith in him, but anyone who does, maybe should start e-mailing him and calling him now. >> everyone stay with us. and during ...

About why he fired james comey. hes going to have to somehow find a different answer that -- although different somehow doesnt put him in conflict with what he said to lester holt. i dont know how you answer that question. >> trump has a problem here with the donald tells someone he lies he cant keep them straight and says whatevers in his head at the moment. but to be clear, to have impact, mueller cant just catch trump lying. thats like shooting fish in a barrel. he has to show substance. its ...

Cant be in the room. in the interview your lawyer can be in the room. in the interview, you can stop and say, excuse me, let me just talk to my attorney for a second before i ask the question. there is lots of leeway you can have in the interview room that you cant have in a jury room. you can talk to your lawyer in the jury room but only by leaving the room. you have to get up, leave the witness stand, leave the room, dom back in the room. thats the next stage if he refuses the interview. >> th...

>> and for the "new york times" just fishing for reasons to do it. looking at a dispute over fees at trump national golf club in virginia, that mueller had been a member there. hed be representing jared kushner another reason. so fishing for any reason he could to get rid of mueller. i think ari made a point, theres a question of whether donald trump is ignorant or whether hes corrupt. the more information you get is corrupt. you cant be that ignorant if youre going beyond the russia investigati...

Russia is on my mind, i need to protect my family finances, so go find me fake reasons for an unlawful firing, okay, now you have other people on the hook for potential obstruction. if youll permit me. i brought one more aid since we were talking about where the rules are. this is the cfr doj rules it says only the attorney general may remove the special counsel and only for good cause that cause must be specified in writing for the specific reason of his or her removal. if you start asking peop...

They ask you why you said what you said to less to her hoter h russians in the oval office, i would say, i said what i said. its been on tv. what else is new? once he starts explaining, as has been pointed out, i think all the explanations either begin to look absolutely ridiculous or it would be lies. >> if he turns down interstate view, which is the cooperative version of doing this, as stuart says, the next stage is a subpoena to come to a grand jury where there is even more tension, in certa...

Those things youre asking people to commit crimes. so the list that joy mentions, the question is was it real or fraud? was it fraud? thats a good reason people want to get far away from the process. >> harry, the process would have been had to be don mcgahn communicating with rod rosenstein telling him to fire the special prosecutor, and that actually raises the other possibility that is entertained at other parts in this story, is the president considering firing rod rosenstein, in fact, in or...

Changed hands, thats what well see at some point that money or things of value changed hands. lets not forget in the context of all of this, the first original e-mail that don trump jr. got wasnt would you like to discuss a foreign power helping you, it assumed they were already helping them and said as part of our efforts to help you. now you put it together with all the things that trump has said and done, and this new reporting that shows he acted, he tried to do it and was blocked, and you h...

Hes done nothing wrong. but the president couldnt possibly know what bob mueller knows about the case. this is what we call a perjury trap. >> under no circumstances should he grand mr. mueller an interview. its a suicide mission. its a very clear perjury trap. >> even if muellers not setting it up as a perjury trap, it still is one. >> i would hope that a fair-minded office of special counsel would approach it in a dutiful way consistent with precedent and it wouldnt be a mere perjury trap. >> ...

Mueller. now you have a very clear story with four sources and two newspapers backing this up, that the president was proposing to do something which i think is clearly unlawful. you can do lawful things in an unlawful way and arguably advances a conspiracy involving this administration. and this issue of the independence of the justice departments prosecutors, this has a history that goes back to john quincy adams. but donald doesnt know any of this, doesnt have any respect for law and he expec...