know what we re going to do these investigations to get the aid. never makes an announcement, mr. does a cnn interview. you weren t on the call, were you? i did not. you never talked with chief of staff mulvaney. i never did. you didn t meet the president. that is correct. two of those they had never heard about as far as i know. there was no reason for it to come up. president zelensky never made an announcement. this is what i can t believe. you re their star witness. they re their first witness. mr. jordan based on this i ve seen church prayer chains that are easier to understand than that. ambassador taylor recalls that mr. morrison this is i hereby swear and affirm from gordon sondland. this all happens, by the way, this all happens by the way in warsaw the gentleman s time has expired. they didn t talk about any
ukrainian is endemic, correct? that is correct. and it affects the courts, the prosecutors and there have historically been problems with all the prosecutors in ukraine, correct? i would say up until the new set of prosecutors appointed by president zelensky in the last two months, correct. okay. so the u.s. government, the real deal, he s a real reformer, he s genuinely interested in rooting out corruption, prosecutoring t prosecuting the bad guys, correct? i would say we are cautiously optimistic and we will work whether there s the political will to do the right thing and put forward genuine reform. at the heart of the corruption is this oligarchical system, correct, where the oligarchs take control often by
second meeting is august 27th. zelensky meets with you and ambassador bolton and others and again there s no linkage of security assistance dallass oll investigate of the bidens. the third meeting zelensky meets with you and senators johnson and murphy and once again there was no linkage of security assistance dollars. three meetings with the president of ukraine and no linkage. that s accurate? mr. jordan, it s certainly accurate on the first two, first two meetings, because to my knowledge the ukrainians were not aware of the hold on assistance until the 29th of august. from the politico article. the politico article. the third meeting that you mexi mentioned with senators murphy
and senator johnson, there was discussion of the security assistance. no linkage? there was not discussion of linkage. three meetings face to face with president zelensky, no linkage. yet in your deposition you said this and you said it again the first hour of the majority. my clear understanding was security assistance money would not come until president zelensky committed to pursue the investigation. my clear understanding was they weren t going to get the money until president zelensky dm committed to pursue the investigations. with all due respect, your clear understanding was obviously wrong, because it didn t happen. president zelensky didn t announce he was going to investigate burisma or the bidens. he didn t do a press conference and say i m going to investigate the bidens, we re going to investigate burisma. he didn t tweet about it. and you just told the ranking member he didn t do the cnn interview an announce he was
zelensky and mr. yermak and told them although this was not a quid pro quo, if president zelensky did not clear things up in public, we would be at a stalemate. that was one point. it was also the case mr. morrison talked to you, right? no. what i was going to say is ambassador sondland also told me that he reck erecognized that ia mistake to have told the ukrainians that only the meeting with the president in the oval office was held up in order to get these investigations. no, it was not just the meeting, it was also the security assistance. that is everything. those two discussions i understand. okay. just to recap, you had three meetings with president zelensky, no linkage in these three meetings came up. ambassador zelensky didn t announce he was going to do an investigation to have the bidens.