is this issue. it s also important we may go down there to take that on the news and thanks to both you have for being here. good to be with you, ari. thanks for your work on qualified immunity. it s something i m going to juggle here. i want every one to know. whoa. i got my swirl right here. it s not an ad. it s just reality. it s empty. you cleaned that up. it s totally clean. i m a long time ben and jerry eater for what it s worth. i want to get to all of that. with ice cream as the dessert to this interview, starting with ben, tell us why you re getting involved on the other big issue of police immunity. it s really about justice and
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warning, basically saying, if you do this, watch out for when we re in the majority and watch out for what it means for any democratic administration. you mean they might impeach a president for lying about sex, for example? i take that warning for what it s worth. if one republican had said, you know what, we think we made a mistake in impeaching president clinton for having lied about a private act, not public acts that threaten the character of democracy, but a private act, we think that was a mistake and we went way too far then. we think yours is a close call but maybe you re going a little too far, that would be one thing. that s not what they said. they believed what they did with clinton was correct, but they simply won t talk about the president s high crimes against american democracy today. that s a scandal that they re not doing their constitutional responsibility. and the president has declared liss conduct in this matter perfect.
in the next five weeks making his own case on ukraine and corruption. we heard echoes of it in senator cruz s interview with you. the gop is embracing the idea of ukrainian interference, despite testimony by u.s. officials. testimony that senator ted cruz illicited this week for what it s worth. you nailed it, chuck. they re equating op-ed articles and political opinions with interference. rudy giuliani is basically flouting the entire process, thumbing his nose, dangling the possibility that he might be releasing more information, and in text messages i said are you in fact going to turn over some type of information to congress and attorney general bill barr, as the president signaled he might do. he said he hasn t made any determination about that. privately, as robert points out, you have some republicans who are a little uncomfortable and wondering where is all this going to go? i think even matt gaetz expressed going i don t know what rudy is sup to. beyond giuliani, we