in the next five weeks making his own case on ukraine and corruption. we heard echoes of it in senator cruz's interview with you. the gop is embracing the idea of ukrainian interference, despite testimony by u.s. officials. >> testimony that senator ted cruz illicited this week for what it's worth. >> you nailed it, chuck. they're equating op-ed articles and political opinions with interference. >> rudy giuliani is basically flouting the entire process, thumbing his nose, dangling the possibility that he might be releasing more information, and in text messages i said are you in fact going to turn over some type of information to congress and attorney general bill barr, as the president signaled he might do. he said he hasn't made any determination about that. privately, as robert points out, you have some republicans who are a little uncomfortable and wondering where is all this going to go? >> i think even matt gaetz expressed going i don't know what rudy is sup to. >> beyond giuliani, we have a