Lift me a certificate about the behavior of the pastor of the hose in prison. Everything about his character about his contacts conversation with gravity prisoners in a word maximum details the answer we had prepared, an hour later, turned out to be highly unexpected. He was released from prison in february 1945. And i will make it impossible to understand whether he agreed to work for the sd or his release was the result of some other incomprehensible reasons, there was only an oral directive from schellenberg. There was only a verbal directive from schellenberg to release the pastor under stirlitz observation. Its almost everything. It is also known that a special agent of the sixth directorate worked after his release, where his material was in direct contact with the fusion standard no records, interests, operations were conducted. Well, so that only three people know about it, you, me and him, the big game is on air in ukraine, intense battles continue. The options for a settlement in nigeria are still being discussed, and the collective west has not yet canceled the possibility of some kind of military intervention, while in moscow a forum army 2023, in the context of which there is also a conference on International Security. And i must say that at this conference, from my point of view , some quite important statements were made , the statement was made by the russian leadership and, first of all, by president putin, lets listen. Strange nato members continue to build up and modernize their offensive capabilities, they are making attempts to transfer military confrontation to outer space and Information Space , use military and nonmilitary means pressure. And all this is happening against the background of the destruction of the arms control system. The United States is striving, among other things, to reformat the system of interstate interaction that has developed in the asiapacific region for itself. The promotion of the socalled induspacific strategies is essentially aimed at creating militarypolitical associations controlled by washington. We do not rule out that the matter is being led to the full integration of nato forces by the blocs structures being created august obviously, tensions are smoldering in other regions of the world and while security challenges. Each of them have their own characteristics, i repeat, in fact. All of them are generated by geopolitical adventures by selfish noncolonial actions. Of the west lets carefully analyze what president putin said. He spoke not only and not so much in this case about the war in ukraine. Not only and not so much about how europe took up arms against russia, but he spoke about the creation of a Global Coalition that advocates and the expansion of western hegemony, not only in europe but and in the asian theatre, but involving japan, e, south korea, australia, zeeland, and so on. And so i want to ask you Andrey Denisov uh, senator. First vice chairman of the International Affairs committee that this is the federation in the past. Went out in china and the first vice minister of foreign affairs. I wanted to ask andrey here from the point of view of a historical perspective. You may remember here is the creation of this kind of Global International coalition, when in general this coalition does not have a clearly defined enemy and in fact is engaged in what is not recommended by the founding fathers. In america, looking for demons all over the world. You have seen the precedents. Thats because whats happening now. Yes, perhaps not, perhaps not, but on the other hand. After all, we have not seen precedents and the International Situation that has developed now, it does not resemble anything in the past, arose. Uh, explosive situations. The world experienced two world wars in the 20th century. Uh, coalitions were formed. Were there, uh, allied groups, or what used to be called an axis or Something Like that . Well, like this really strange education. We are 50 led by america against the whole world and at the same time there is no one among these fifty. Who would be willing to even take a step away from uh, what is called the mainstream from the general line determined by the leader, that is, uh, the United States of america, uh, you know, that reminds you of that. Sorry for that, of course. Uh, a sweeping comparison, but the flock of otars sheep, when they put it down, and shepherds or shepherds let it in there. Excuse the goat that all these sheep obediently follow. Here it is for that and sent there. Here is what we see now, on the other side of the barricades. Very reminiscent. Sorry. On this picture, everything went to explore for one felt. Uh, absolutely absolutely attuned to this single line, no, so to speak, step aside and in an ultimatum form, because the world majority, which numerically significantly exceeds us, you all kinds of mountains. Who will weaken the attempts of the countries . To say that we are neutral we are countries uh whom William Burns hmm the cia called agin middle. Yes, undecided, the middle. Here , according to the americans, there should be no undecided middle ground; everyone should stand on their side of the barricades for the sake of this, and those forms that have passed recently are gathering. Well, the extreme one is arabia from here, and here, against this background, against this background, is the conference on International Security issues, which opened today, by the way, i was present at it and just arrived from it. She sounds perfect. Uh, well, you can say dissonance conditions, dissonance. There is some such. Uh, negative channeling is completely purely positive, this is a calm conversation. This is a minimum or no pathos at all, this is a cold analysis and at the same time the arrangement of all points over it was determined. It is very interesting that you said that in general you actually answered the question that i wanted to ask you this question was not chopped up. But thats good. This is pathos. Eh, the collective west has enough. I hope you wont argue with this. Russia, of course, makes very tough statements. Well, besides, we lets talk about it with the general, drunk. Russia not only speaks, but also does a lot of things to russia, but quite successfully, but i dont know about you, but i have a feeling that, in general, russia does not say endless confrontations with the collective west, and what if russian concerns , primarily in the field of security, would be taken into account . As i understand it, moscow would be ready to conduct serious negotiations, despite all this indignation at the behavior of the west, which both the russian people and the russian leading circles. Eh, and even more so. I dont know how to put it, such a peaceful mood, and i personally heard the ministers speech today. Defense of china deprive. Lets listen. Changdu, we need to support each other against the military hegemony of those who stick their noses everywhere. We need solidarity and mutual assistance to boycott the sanctions pressure from those who do not shun in any way the sinorussian relations of comprehensive partnership and strategic interaction, entering the new era , sinorussian relations continue to develop progressively. In the military sphere, they are a model of not joining blocs by nondirection against third parties and the absence of confrontation, but i dont know if you agree with me again, but on the one hand, this speech struck me, well, an unusually placed chinese representatives. Well, if you want concreteness in condemning the actions of the collective west, but on the other hand, continue to say that he is not joining the fact that china does not looking for no confrontation. And even if you dont need them, they dont get crushed, so i have a question. But what explains this paphos in the collective west, and paphos which is not provoked by russian or chinese actions. At least from my point of view. Well, you know how it can be explained, but it seems to me, if you put it like that in simple terms with weak cards in your hands, because, uh, the west repeats a mantra, in which, it seems to me, it does not believe itself. Just the other day i was at an International Conference in Southeast Asia and there those those who take the position of the west, uh, said, for example, and repeat it like a mantra that we must do everything so that, uh, peace in ukraine will be achieved on the terms of ukraine, this is repeated like a mantra. You know, i want to go up to these people and ask. Well, would you believe in it, would you . In principle, you allow this option. No, it seems to me, they do not allow, but they talk about it in this way paphos adds. Well, lets put it this way, we have the arguments, uh, we have the one on the other side, how, by the way, to say about general eleshantovich. He uh really spoke quite harshly, but at the same time, at the same time, he indicated chinas readiness to find a solution. As a matter of fact, we are, uh, in the same position. Its just that if earlier, in order to find solutions, we had to somehow adapt a little to the opponent, now we dont have such a need for ears, china, all the more, in principle, we dont, our positions are quite strong, and we pronounce them openly and directly. Lieutenant general yevgeny buginsky, you also know the collective world very well. The west has repeatedly faced with western representatives very highranking. I am a civilian soldier. And so i, uh, want to ask you, not even so much now, but western ones, but about the russian position. Right now, uh, ukraine is openly using cluster warheads. Not only are they openly using it, they are actually boasting about it and washington is saying that there is no problem with this, because, uh, the United States insisted on all precautions , meaning that these cluster warheads do not strike russian territory, but there is, as they say one little nuance. By russian territory they mean what they think should be the territory of russia and what russia thinks and what russia actually controls, including crimea. Its the United States that ukraine has every right to attack, including with cluster warheads. And now, lets see how Russian Defense minister generalegov answered this today. Before , us officials have repeatedly said that the use of cluster munitions is a war crime ; today, washington, its accomplices are committing this crime in ukraine condemned by humanitarian organizations, as expected no . I would like to draw attention to the fact that we also have cluster munitions in service. Until now, for humanitarian reasons, we have refrained from using them. However, this decision may be reconsidered. Well, i understand the humanitarian considerations, they are very important. And especially when you say, to the fraternal ukrainian people and of course , russia has serious disagreements with this people, at least with a significant part, but very much many people, well, ukraine has friends and relatives, and my parents are both of them, but they were born in ukraine, so to speak, lets put it mildly, not quite a foreign land, but nonetheless. Well, as it were, i watch how the destructive potential of the Ukrainian Armed forces is increasing day by day. And more and more they use it against russian territories and , by the way, not only against crimea, but also against kaluga, kursk, belgorod and moscow, this is how it should be interpreted, and humanitarian considerations dmitry, you know, you can literally half a minute to answer your first question about the creation of blocks. Do you know at all . This is the maximum that history develops in a spiral, it is absolutely correct. You will remember the 1950s, when the cold war began, nato was formed, at the same time, the seat of the Southeast AsiaTreaty Organization was formed there, the same bloc, the same members headed by the United States. Now the same thing is happening, in fact, it is already happening. It started, so i think that these blocks they will form, and then the United States refrained from stretching. With that bloc of south korea and japan, now, taking into account their economic weight, the state of the armed forces , they will naturally be involved and, uh, natos link with the uh, created by the americans in the Asian Pacific region, from my point of view, is inevitable. Now answering yours. Ah, the main question. You know me so far. I have the impression that we are fighting without filming. Here are the so called uh, gloves, its time to take them off , you know, cluster munitions. Uh, its them the effect is not so, uh, significant on the advancing troops. By the way, the use of cluster munitions. E from the point of view. So to say military art and military science. They should, uh, be used to a greater extent by the defending side, that is, with us, because if we want to destroy , you, especially in open areas, advancing troops, then cluster munitions, of course, are the weapons that achieve maximum effect on defending troops, of course, there is also an effect, but it is significant. When the defending troops are there in trenches dugouts in shelters. Uh uh, efficiency. E is much lower, so the ukrainians use them mainly against the civilian population. They are shelling the donbass , they are shelling peaceful cities. And uh, there are numerous, of course. And here is the delayed effect. By the way, uh, they go left over to the americans at the beginning of the conflicts. Yes , even before the start of the conflict, they fired at these cluster supplies, equipped with e, point rockets and fired at the same, donetsk, e, these cases are documented in our committee. Eh, there is a jer. A significant casualty among the civilian population, there are a lot of cases when, uh, ukraine well, not that many cases, but these constant attacks on the crimean bridge, uh, shelling of uh peaceful russian cities, and not military installations. But it really is. Uh, we hit either military facilities or critical infrastructure, and they hit the civilian population, and we dont answer. And why . But i dont know. You understand, but this is a political decision, because from the point of view of even the same logistics of the same supplies. Uh, the same armored artillery missiles, well, there are four tunnels in the carpathians. Uh, railroad bridge several locomotive depots. Well, destroy it and uh, the efficiency and speed of the supply of uh american weapons of military equipment will drop by a multiple. The same port infrastructure. I believe that the entire port infrastructure. Uh , ukraine, uh, on the black sea should be destroyed, then they will not be totally. Thats what russia has such militarytechnical capabilities, of course there is, but it is to conduct an offensive air operation in the waters of the black sea are, well, a section of air defense in ukraine, but in this area, which, so to speak , is able to get our e, bombers, which e use very effectively, these glide bombs, equipped with an e module, a planning module. Eh, its completely, so to speak, a natural option, plus we have such a range of the same calibers and aviation missiles. Uh, 101 101. We all have all these stings. I m not talking about a dagger anymore, everything is there and we hit, but a port infrastructure, but purely its military part, but you need to hit everything, to avoid these drones. Uh, surface, which they, unfortunately, successfully attacked for the last time. The crimean bridge is subject to all this and there is no need to be shy here. I already spoke once in this studio at the beginning of the conflict, the americans say, we cannot understand. Why are you, uh, being so selective . Alexander dugin eh, philosopher eh, and the author, i would say, is the very basis of the suggestive and at the same time original works on geopolitics. Here is a rumor, uh general burinsky, and i absolutely agree with him. At least on an emotional level, like me it seems that you and i are starting to think on an emotional level. Uh, as an analyst im starting to think. And here, what are the arguments against what the general wants to do. I want to do. What arguments can be given to not do this list. Why it would be dangerous to do this, what countermeasures could be taken and in general, the escalation of the war against the entire collective west well, probably not in the interests of russia, but then they start to think, but what is the alternative and thats what im starting to fear alexander that in order to escape escalation we risk what were on in fact, we will contribute to the escalation, because if the enemy has the feeling that they can raise the stakes all the time with impunity a bitter experience. And if they do, knowing the nature of the russian leadership, and the russian people, i think that the answer will be, but only maybe later and after great losses and with greater risks than would be necessary if, in general, they decided that works it takes its time. I absolutely agree with you. I think there is. Uh, some very specific lines. Let it not be red, just here are the lines of analysis and, uh, there is one line that can be considered a real scalade. If we make a strike with Tactical Nuclear weapons on some very important object. This, in my opinion, is a real escalation; everything that is below this bar for delivering a Tactical Nuclear strike at one point or another on the territory of ukraine ; while we use conventional weapons. We can do anything. And here it arises. Escalation chimera. There are real escalations. This is the use of chiau, which can easily switch tactical weapons in favor of Strategic Nuclear weapons. This is serious and this is an escalation. I think that, in principle, and her. Uh, the fear of her is even slightly increased. Although i still believe that this is really a threshold , thats all that is below this threshold. We can use it at any time without any consequences. Moreover, you said a very important phrase that if we do not use it, we provoke the enemy to do it. Escalation for our part in onesided january, and we invite practically provoke. Thats practically provocative, because we, uh, they dont count. E that we have some rules, some kind of logic. They think we can or cant we are strong or we are weak as soon as we show any hint of weakness, and between the use of Tactical Nuclear