By the United States. That is, we will later hear that they are not entirely new, but new for ukraine, they were installed by the United States, they have already begun to strike at russian positions, and finally, in the middle east in gaza, someone dealt a terrible blow to a peaceful hospital, hundreds of people were killed, and predictably there are disputes over who is responsible for this, but still according to the most. Vivid statement, thats if to hold competitions, then i must say that the superiority still lies with the United States and personally, directly with president joseph biden, who declared today that he is immortal and that he will always remain at the head of the United States, do you think i m making this up, lets listen. I want, so you know you are not alone, as i said, we will continue to support israel in protecting its people, we will continue to work with you and partners in the region to prevent the loss of innocent lives. 75 years ago, your founders declared that israel would be founded on freedom, justice and peace. The United States stands with you in defending this freedom, in the pursuit of this justice in support of this world, today, tomorrow always, we promise you. We promise you. Today, tomorrow always, this is not based on some kind of agreement, this is not on based on some formal obligations, no, President Biden declares, today, tomorrow always, i want to remind you that less, if you want, dramatically with less pathos, russia was promised, in the late eighties, early, the United States would not expand nato, and this commitment, it lasted exactly as long as the Bush Administration that made these promises lasted, but it ended, bush lost the election. He is a man, lets say, majestic and dramatic, and such a tone seems natural to him, even if many of us it seems funny and absurd, but its kind of about funny, theres not much funny in the world today, fortunately, today there are serious and, in general, encouraging events. Senator andrei denisov, tell us what you know about the agreements, negotiations that took place today between russian and chinese leaders, and what you think in general about this visit of putin to china, what was achieved, and maybe something was not achieved. Thank you. You used a good word, encouraging, when talking about this event. Indeed, against the background of what is happening in the world there are still bright moments. As for the reassuring nature, it may not even be enough to define it that way for bilateral relations. Rather, they are the results, the results of the visit, inspire confidence in the steady, consistent and Dynamic Development of bilateral relations. But from the point. In terms of influence on the general world situation, they are certainly encouraging; after all , in the current turbulent, troubled world, there are at least some points of crystallization. Around which can be built uh, well , something more reasonable than what we are dealing with were facing, lets talk about this for a minute, lets listen to what putin then said about their meeting, come on, this confirms what you just said, we had a lunch, such a narrow business meeting, where a mini minister was present Foreign Affairs, assistants were present on both sides, and then, uh, he invited us to retire and we talked face to face , indeed it is, just over a cup of tea, so they also talked there for another hour and a half, or maybe two, well some questions are completely confidential the character was discussed face to face, it was a very productive and meaningful part of the conversation, and now the chairman is strong in the development of chineserussian relations based on constant good neighborly friendship, comprehensive strategic. Coordination and mutually beneficial cooperation is not a temporary, but a longterm solution. Next year marks the 75th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between china and russia. China is ready to work with russia, understanding the historical trend, relying on the fundamental interests of the two peoples constantly deepening our comprehensive cooperation. China supports the russian people as they follow their chosen path of National Revival to protect national sovereignty, security and development interests. I think you were right when i used an encouraging expression, it was correct in principle, but it was also , say, too cautious, well, you know, in our time it is better to be careful, although in this case the vector of movement has been determined and i dont see , so that some external threats to the development of relations between our two countries progressively and dynamically, a meeting of leaders is always a big event, we. In the case of china, our country, russia, are to some extent spoiled by such events, this is already more than the fortieth meeting of two leaders, since the thirteenth year, and every time, every time, this is not protocol communication , it is always some specific results, you know, a small detail, but i cant help but voice it, im a small fan of simultaneous translation, especially in relation to chinese language. Its very difficult to convey the meaning of what was said through headphones, but if at negotiations, this is still permissible, because there are more or less cliched formulas, prepared passages, then during conversations in a narrow group, and even more so one on one, this comes in handy an innovation in protocol practice that appeared not so long ago, usually communication between leaders consisted of two parts a wide composition this is a negotiation format, and a narrow composition, when the leader is present with, well , his closest companions, so here a third appeared, one on one , this is no longer the first time, and this is good, this is further evidence of such a close relationship between the two leaders, as evidence that they are tuned in on the same wavelength, i think that they didnt even have a translator with them, no, there were translators, after all its difficult without translators, but when they translate sequentially, and i know these translators well. From our , from the chinese side, these are people with whom i myself have worked for many years, i am absolutely sure that the meaning was fully conveyed, which is very important in this case and most likely at this oneonone meeting, as at the last meeting, in march of this year in moscow, the leaders discussed a wide range of issues, but to some extent distant, far from, lets say, practical cooperation for all its. Importance, because its still, well, lets say so, the agenda or program of our relations is so broad that if the leaders deal with specific issues, they will not have time to discuss more important, if you like, fateful topics, they probably focused on them during a narrow and oneonone conversation, as our president said over tea, well when the audience is watching us listening, they, too, of course, most of them, were watching the news, so that you, as not only a former ambassador, a current senator, but also a serious analyst, what would you tell the viewer was the most important thing at this meeting , well, you know, this is just quite easy, because the most important thing at this meeting was the very fact that it took place, and even took place in. Format, because the time of action, i mean midoctober, and the scene is beijing, the world capital. They simply encouraged discussion of the a wide range of issues, this is probably how it was, while some practical, lets say, achievements, because viewers and listeners are always interested in what has been achieved, what has been signed, what is the result, what can be touched, as they say , with your hands, were outlined here very important things, but it is said that they will be postponed until a later time, because this is not always a president ial format, well, lets say, we already have a very serious, detailed Intergovernmental Agreement on Economic Cooperation, interaction until 2030, it will apparently be signed in the near future, but at the level of Prime Ministers, because the year does not end with this meeting, we have a regular meeting of Prime Ministers ahead of us until the end of the year, by the way, our Prime Minister, Mikhail Vladimirovich mishustin, has already been to china this year in may, but that was. A working visit to discuss Current Issues and get acquainted, because Prime Minister mishustin was in china for the first time in this capacity, he had a colleague, elected in march at the parliament session, a new chairman government of china, a personal acquaintance took place, now there will be a socalled regular meeting, as we called them more than 20 years ago, we have a visit ahead of the chairman of the state duma. Vyacheslav viktorovich volodin, a whole series of contacts at the ministerial level, so the work continues, i cant help but remember one of the expressions popular in china by chairman sizinpin, lucy, which means, rolling up your sleeves, getting to work harder, thats what we need to be done, i want to ask you about the protocol country of the matter, which you know very well, but to put it mildly, im not good at it. When they say that putin was the main guest, uhhuh, it was so, naturally it was assumed, it should have been, or vice versa, the chinese leadership specifically decided to emphasize his role, despite the predictable american discontent, uhhuh, well, you know, this is not the first times, this is already the third belt and road summit, the first in 2007 , mainly among the main, lets say, guests, the main guests are the heads of state, government, countries with an interest in this project, the belt and road project, to this fairly largescale project of International Partnership , as Vladimirovich Putin defined it, but look, in china everything related to the protocol is measured on apothecary scales, everyone saw when the doors of the golden hall, thats the one in front we were just on the screen, the golden hall , in the building of the National Peoples congress opened and the guests went to the banquet, then sitenpin and putin walked ahead, even with some of this groundwork, its not just because they stood in front of the door, when it opened, no, everyone knew where, who was standing and other leaders , by the way, to say that last time, that this time they did not object to such an arrangement, this is not an official title, this is not what somewhere, so to speak, it is written, but the chinese side said in advance that our president will be the main guest at the forum, this is so, thank you, lets now move to israel, where today the president of the United States was a very honored guest and how we already. There is a dispute about who is responsible for this monstrous blow to hospital in gaza hundreds of dead, and as they say, two countries, two stories, most arab countries support the palestinian version that israel is responsible, joe biden, joe biden said, lets listen to what he said. Here so that the people of israel and the whole world know that the United States is on israels side. You need to make sure you have everything you need to protect yourself. Well take care of it. It should also be remembered that hamas does not represent all the people of palestine, they only experience suffering. Im sad and angry regarding the hospital gas explosion yesterday, from what i saw, it looks like it was done by a Different Team than you, but a lot of people arent sure about that, so we have a lot of things to overcome. Vitaly vyacheslavovich naumkin, scientific director of the institute of higher studies, academician of the Russian Academy of sciences, and i have known academician naumkin for many years, and i want to say that he is a very. Unusual person, because there are a certain number of academicians who run institutes, and there are certain the number of great scientists, and lets just say, these two categories do not always coincide, here is vitaly, that very happy case when a person was really remains a prominent organizer of science, but i have a simple question for you do you believe one of these versions, or is there some is that another version, or do you think that we need to figure it out first . Well, first of all , i would like to express my sincere condolences, first of all to the relatives of all those people, more than 800 victims of this terrible crime, the injured people there, express my condolences to them, at the same time to everyone to the victims of this terrible escalation of the conflict, both on the one hand and on the other, now as for the versions, and to be honest, i dont know a single reasonable person who, despite the fact that i try to be as objective as possible, understand that each side, it has its own truth, so to speak, but i believe, i dont know a Single Person who could believe in the israeli version, to be honest, in the israeli version, i dont know a Single Person, i understand why you say that , well there are many explanations for this, firstly, this is due to the fact that it fell on this hospital, i think maybe a military expert will explain this to us better, because i heard this, i heard this from many people, this is the first, second, this does not fit into logic. On the other hand, despite everything, despite the fact that they also show cruelty and do a lot of things that we absolutely do not like and are unacceptable, our president spoke about this, that cruelty was shown on both sides, but the explanation for the fact that there is more a small group than islamic hamas, even more radical, absolutely right, we know her well, that she fired a rocket, which either was, or. No, fell right next to this, on this building, in which the israeli side, as you know, suspected that there militants are hiding, in fact, civilians were actually hiding there, this version does not fit into the logic of the islamists behavior, but what about all this video that the israelis are showing, where a rocket was launched from gas. First goes up, and then abruptly changes trajectory, goes down . Well i didnt see any evidence in this video that it was a rocket launch error, well , you can show a rocket that veered off course, but i personally didnt see a real video that would show this whole story from above, i could be wrong, in this case, im trying to understand the situation and it still seems to me that im. Im not blaming anyone now, i think that we need to sort it out, so returning to your formulation of the question, we need to sort it out, we need to sort it out by independent analysts, not one of the parties , which are accused of having done this, and some kind of independent International Commission that would try to figure it out , because this is too terrible a crime that could be ignored, and despite all that, of course, israel has the right to then to defend yourself, thats what was done, i think its somehow very bad, okay, again you said that you cant imagine anyone who would believe the israeli version, i just dont know , i understand if this means from your point view that biden will not be able to convince arab leaders that it was not israel that was responsible for this heinous atrocity. It seems to me that he will not be able to do this yet, especially since today jordan has already canceled the quadrilateral meeting, although jordan is one of the most favorable arab states towards israel, which normalized relations long ago, restored diplomatic relations, and i think that everyone will be waiting to demand an independent investigation to expect its results with a presentation convincing everyone, if only they really twist the hands of the arab leaders, well, they may, creaking their hearts, so to speak, take some kind of neutral position or say that we need to sort it out, well, to some extent i also stand for the fact that we need to sort it out, but to believe that an Islamic Jihad fired a rocket, it jumped out, fell and hit right where people had gathered, in such numbers, its somehow hard to believe, to be honest, its good, with all my. some in washington that israel will now call off the ground operation, or at least, will significantly limit its scope, but i believe that those people in washington, they are well known to me, i correspond with many of them, and it seems to me that the call of many, well, literally, now even in Foreign Affairs there was an article by kolinch, an excellent expert on the middle east, who proves that in general a ground operation is not in the interests of israel, that it will lead to catastrophic results in legal, human, humanitarian, military relations, as well as the ultimatums that delivered to the residents of northern gaza, that in 24 hours they should take everything and quickly rush to the south, where the roads are destroyed, you cant get there, where. There are no medical institutions to treat anyone there, where there are no food, where there is no water, where there is no electricity, the question arises, well, somehow it would probably be wiser to act, again, i understand the considerations that guide the leaders of israel, who slept through everything that happened , but you cant act so stupidly, but where now to drive the palestinians away from the north, gases, who essentially have nowhere to go . They are not expected anywhere, neither in egypt nor in the south , and they are simply guided by the fact that now they will not be led to believe that they will someday return back, they have already been through this, they they understand that this, that we are talking about some kind of plan for the depopulation of this region, its subsequent annexation, i read all this on arab sites, but on the other hand its not clear to say what on. Israeli and partners in some. Then the extent of colleagues who are trying this justify, from america i hear more and more skeptical opinions about these plans, but not in the administration in congress, that congress, i cant say that i really follow what the majority of members of congress think, if so and so, i i think that in the administration, of course, they are clearly determined to s