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Now with us on skype from beijing kiril vladimirovich babaev, director of the institute of china and modern asia, Russian Academy of sciences, and he took part in that forum where the host country was citizen pin, and where the main guest was china, you go there often, you have been to more than one international and more specifically at the russianchinese forum, from your point of view, what happened yesterday in beijing that you would consider most important . Well, from my point of view, really. Perhaps a breakthrough event not only for china, but for the whole world, my eyes were riveted on it, i it seems that the entire world press, the world community, china today is leading, it seems to me, the largest Economic Initiative in modern international relations, an initiative that is supported not only by the number of countries participating in it, china declares that more than 150 countries are already taking part in the belt and Road Initiative, but also in the amount of funds allocated for this project, xidin ping announced yesterday that another 50 billion dollars will be allocated by china, chinese banks for support for projects and initiatives, and itself is becoming more and more global , which began as a transeurasian path , now it already covers the countries of africa and latin america, and thus challenges the entire, it seems to me, financial, trade, logistics infrastructure, which is still has since been controlled primarily by the United States. This is perhaps the main thesis that china is conveying today through this forum, which was attended by several dozen heads of state, former heads of state government, there even. No one counted. But as for the economy, trade relations, some especially agreements regarding russian gas, which can be sent to china, instead of how it used to go to europe, as i understand it, Something Interesting happened there too, well i found it interesting that this time both Vladimir Putin and sidinpina separately spoke about the power of siberia 2 as a promising project that both countries need, thereby we see confirmation of what is likely to happen in the near future time, the deal will be signed, perhaps during the next visit of the russian Prime Minister to china, which is expected before the end of the year, and it also seems to me that it is very important, and this is no longer an energy or agricultural topic, a megadeal for 25 billion dollars has been signed for the supply of russian grain to china, this is truly a huge deal , larger than. Chinese history, it covers 12 years and of course, it is significantly beneficial to russia with its rich reserves of zarn, and of course it is beneficial to china, which is striving to ensure its Food Security, well, now china will largely depend on russia for these supplies, as i understand it, correct me if something is wrong, as i understand it, there was a conscious line on the forum. Not to create the impression of a divided world, allegiance to certain blocs, the idea of creating new blocs, in general, they talked about what is good not only for the participants, but for all of humanity, and it was a clear line that, it seems to me, influenced to the tone of conversations and discussions, but at the same time what was happening, but i i dont know how to say this, god knows whats in the middle east. At the same time, there was pressure from the United States on russia and china. This is how it felt at the forum, were there any reactions that you could share with us . Well, how can i say, really, Vladimir Putin very correctly said that what is attractive about the chinese belt and Road Initiative . The fact is that china does not impose anything on anyone. China does not expose any political or. Ideological demands, attracting everything more and more countries to participate in it, this is a purely voluntary, purely economic , at least at first glance, initiative, which thereby emphasizes its absolutely nonpolitical nature, and it seems to me that this is its strong point, because this is exactly what today the United States cannot provide, the west cannot provide , which is probably why the west has such a negative attitude and so actively criticizes itself. one way or the other, the meeting between Vladimir Putin and sidinpin, which lasted more than 3 hours, so to speak, is also a fairly clear signal , you know, the chinese said before the visit that the chairman of the peoples republic of china had only 35 minutes planned for the meeting with our president , but you see, the meeting lasted about 3 hours, thus, this is already an important indicator that the leaders, of course, discussed a variety of issues, not only bilateral, but also global issues. Therefore, this is truly a global event, this is a certain trend that , it seems to me, determines not only the Economic Development of eurasia in the future, but also a certain stage in the confrontation between the west and the nonwest, and this same world majority, which today is increasingly drawn to russianchinese projects. When you talked to Forum Participants , officials and not only officials. Have you seen any signs that the american constant appeals to beijing , that they say it is necessary to put pressure on russia so that it takes a more flexible position on china, so that russia unconditionally leaves those territories that ukraine considered its own, have you seen any that signs that china is ready to at least somehow meet the United States halfway, you know, no , on the contrary, to be honest, it seems to me that china has made its choice, this choice is precisely what is visible at the forum, because it is really very many western countries were simply not invited to it, but Vladimir Putin became the main guest and certainly the main figure after the chairman of the peoples republic of china at the last forum, we saw this very well from the newsreels, this is the very civilizational choice that what beijing is doing today, western countries are ignored, their interests are not taken into account in any way, at the same time, the russian president is received with great honor, everyone is shown , the whole world is shown that he is the main star of the whole event, despite this, ill be honest, there i saw quite a lot of representatives, including from the western world, i talked, for example, at a forum with the former Prime Minister of japan with the former head of government of the Czech Republic with experts from the uk, from other european countries, everything they said one thing that today. The west itself has led the west into a dead end precisely because with its uncompromising position in terms of relations with russia, from the point of view of americanchinese relations , washington is actually preventing the creation and preservation of, so to speak, its global leadership. I am sure that you spoke not only about international relations, trade, but you are a very important expert on china, i would be very interested to hear your observations about where china is today, you know better than me that there has been a change of foreign ministers, you know that the Chinese Defense minister has stopped appearing, that in this regard, especially in the western press, there is a lot of speculation, they say that chinas pace has slowed down. Economic development, no this, no that, this is your impression, where is china from your point of view, politically, economically . Well, lets start with the fact that the real main problems of china today are economic problems, not at all rotation in the government. China is very a stable political system will certainly survive the change of two ministers, in this sense, today china. Is worried, of course, about economic problems, including demography, a sharp aging of the population and the cessation of its growth, a slowdown in economic growth, a real estate crisis, and so on. In this sense, it seems to me that sidinping made several important statements that could help the chinese economy. Firstly, in fact, the initiative itself, one train, one track, is precisely intended to expand the zone of chinese economic influence. World, secondly, the injections that china is making today into projects and initiatives, of course, they will also help the chinese economy itself , to revive, well, thirdly, sidingpin said , for example, that restrictions on any kind of Foreign Investment in the chinese economy are being lifted the economy, this, of course, will spur these investments, perhaps not only from the west, but from countries in the developing world, all this is intended to somehow provide china. At 5 , which is considered planned there today, and it seems to me that somewhere around these figures it will balance, i i think that chinas political problems today are associated, of course, primarily with the confrontation with the United States, and this is primarily the taiwanese situation; president ial elections in taiwan are scheduled for january 2024, as far as these are concerned. Will be successful for china, time will tell, for now, in any case, it is clear that this is such a cutoff point , in many ways for the chinese leadership, it seemed to me that there was a moment when clouds, as they say, were gathering around taiwan, and that at least on the surface it seemed that it was even possible military conflict, in my opinion all this has somehow calmed down a little and has been brought under control, and that there is no immediate danger of a military clash now, your impression, i absolutely agree with you, i believe that not now, not in any shortterm there is no need to talk about a military conflict in the future, china itself is not interested in this, the chinese always say in private conversations, in official conversations, that china is not used to solving its problems through war, it solves them through savings. Solves it quite successfully, until today, it is intensively developing its economy and absolutely, in a very short time, will become the number one power in the world economy, even. With everything, with all, so to speak, restraints on the part of the United States, so of course, china plans to resolve it peacefully the taiwan problem, to what extent this will be possible due to the opposition of the United States, is of course a different question, but nevertheless, i think that they will be intensively looking for some kind of compromise over the coming years, they will try to somehow influence economically on on the island with a carrot stick and perhaps they will be able to turn the situation around on the island, they will come. With the help of a mechanism there, several decades of existence of two systems, but nevertheless will allow the island to gradually integrate into china. And regarding the korean Peoples Democratic republic, which was visited by the Russian Foreign minister, sergei lavrov. I dont know if any important new agreements were concluded there. Russia manages to build new relations with iran, with north korea, which also is subject to intense pressure from the United States, but with which russia, lets say, had a partnership, but distant relationship. Is your opinion starting to change . Is changing very dynamically, you are absolutely right, because of course, our economic relations with north korea, this is our neighbor , geographical, they were restrained purely artificially, due to the fact that russia , as a result of a deal back in the 2000s , imposed sanctions on north korea, but this was part of some kind of package agreement with the west, which, of course, in the twentysecond year. Ceased to operate, thus russia had a free hand to interact, fully interact with north korea, so i am convinced that by the end of this year our trade turnover will increase significantly, it is now absolutely obvious that there will be other projects , including in the militarytechnical sphere, in which it is very beneficial for us and the dprk to cooperate, i think that these relations will continue to develop, this visit, which takes place literally a month after the state visit north Korean Leader to russia, and this visit is also very symbolic, because it allows us to expand the agreements that were concluded in primorye. I believe that in the very near future we should expect additional news about Economic Cooperation between russia and the dprk, although it is true that many of them will most likely remain behind the scenes of the world media. And the last question, again about china, i cant help but ask you, what worries a certain part of our audience is whether its dangerous for russia to get closer to such a growing, increasingly powerful and ambitious china, even suspects that china has some ideas about capturing part of siberia in the far east. Russia in the fight against the United States, and then what is called sailing and abandoning. Do you see any grounds for this kind of fear, and how to deal with these fears . You know, i always answer this question, and i get asked it quite often, i always suggest rewinding russianchinese relations a little back 70 years and see if there were conversations in 1950 china about whether it is dangerous for them. Soviet union. Then the soviet union helped china so much to transform into a modern , fastgrowing economy, built tens of hundreds of Industrial Facilities in the country, practically created the entire military industry, the entire civilian industry in this country. Well, russia, well, the soviet union helped china a lot, and this did not lead to any dependence, as we know, after 1015 years there, china carried out a completely sovereign, very even. Soviet policy, in this sense it seems to me that we are here there is nothing to fear, yes, now we, in turn, have something to gain from china, these are technologies, these are industrial, the production of industrial equipment, but our economies complement each other very well. China cannot exist without Inexpensive Energy sources, which it receives from russia, china today will not be able to ensure Food Security without our grain supply of agricultural products, we, in turn, buy. Equipment, machines, spare parts, in this sense, our economies coincide very well like two piece of the puzzle, i dont think its appropriate here to talk about some kind of, lets say, influence. Onesided, its dependence, its mutual, its twosided, it benefits both countries, vladimirovich, thank you very much, we were very happy talk to you, we appreciate your time, we hope to see you again soon on our air. Were leaving for commercials, well be back on air in just a few minutes, beautiful, charming, always. Young Elena Proklova is celebrating her anniversary in our studio today. Komarova. Larisa ivanovna. I love my numbers. 70 years old and a wonderful age. I canceled my anniversary. I never thought that an anniversary could have such an impact on a person. It forces you to sum up some results and outline new plans. And with you in the studio is a promoter of a healthy sexual lifestyle. Playing. 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Threat, secondly, of course, we will be able to repel these attacks, war is war, and of course, i said that they do not pose a threat, that goes without saying, but thats the point. It is fundamentally impossible not to change the situation on the line of contact, it is impossible, this can be said for sure, and finally, a mistake of a larger scale, not yet invisible, but still of great importance, is that the United States is increasingly more personally drawn into this conflict, they are drawn in, this is an obvious thing, let no one say that they have nothing to do with this, we believe that they have, well, for me the main thing that Vladimir Putin said, the last phrase we believe that they have, in my opinion, he wanted to clearly emphasize that they can say whatever they want, but we in russia will act the president said, in accordance with our idea, according to our information, and he did not say this, but it seems to me that it was implied that the retaliatory actions could be quite serious, do you agree with this interpretation . You know, dmitry, i agree, moreover, i get the impression that, well, maybe this not exactly a parliamentary expression, but