He does not see. Change the Russian Nuclear doctrine, they did not Pay Attention to one word , which, as it seemed to me, was central, he did not see the need today, today to change the Russian Nuclear doctrine, and after that, in his answer to you, he added that russia will withdraw from the Treaty Banning Nuclear testing, which the United States has not ratified, russia ratified, that is, in fact, the president made it clear that maybe he did not completely agree with everything that you said, but in general, his own analysis, if you like, his own intuition was in the direction in which you spoke and dont you think so . Im not ready to speak for the president , i i spoke. About what i saw and heard with my own eyes, i look at real politics and i see that in real politics everything is going exactly as it should go from my point of view, and the missiles were placed in belarus, several more steps were taken, which i will not name so as not to cause a scandal, but they are completely obvious, uh, on the stairs. Uh nonnuclear escalation, but some statements were made there, finally, these exercises were held, which of course were planned, but which are completely obvious, i think that this is not the last but a movement, i hope, other things it was a clear demonstration, really, yes, this is completely understandable, if we take into account the theoretical ladder, then four steps have already been completed, and out of the five that were the first, but from my point of view point of view, but this does not mean that i am dictating something there, i am just analytically, thinking, and it seems to me that the situation has begun to change, since american colleagues have calmed down a little, regarding, firstly, the denial that russia can launch a Nuclear Strike, it has almost happened in the last few weeks or months, almost, this is the first, on the contrary, a large number of articles have appeared that say that this is. Possible and that we need to think about it, this is the first, secondly, there, i think, a reassessment of politics in america began, but its hard to say, because whether this is real or not, because in my next article , which is much tougher than the first, it was also published in september, i wrote that what worries me most is that the american leaders, including the president and the secretary of state, this. I really found it absolutely terrifying, i think that Climate Change is worse than a nuclear war, or at least as terrible, this is nonsense, but this nonsense causes horror, but since then since then uh like that the statements were not repeated, although they were said they raise doubts about what we have in america, where is it going . In the following articles, in this article i wrote that we need to act now, and of course, without launching a Nuclear Strike if possible, because for now , in any case, the american deep state has decided that it does not dare to replace absolutely incompetent leaders, in my second article , im just calling on this deep state to come to their senses, lets listen to what state secretary Antony Blinken said just recently about two tasks from his point of view, two tasks of us Foreign Policy in relations with russia. Himself. Before President Bidens first day, there were two guiding stars, one was to make sure we were doing everything we could to support ukraine and get other countries involved, and the other was to avoid a direct clash with russia, as such a conflict could potentially lead to , which no one wants, and which could be bad for the safety of americans, so following these guiding stars is in my opinion, a central aspect of how President Biden approaches certain issues. And in following these two stars, i had the feeling that the Biden Administration was increasingly developing a permissiveness complex, that the United States could go for a unilateral escalation, counting on the fact that russia would not dare or would not be able to respond. This was one of the reasons why you decided to make your call for what i call a new nuclear realism. Yes, further, i continued this line, i know that some very highranking american experts, very highranking ones, threatened russia in response to the possible use of Nuclear Weapons with a massive strike by conventional forces, which supposedly could destroy the Russian Armed forces that are fighting on the fields of ukraine, i. Wrote in this article that then in the second article, that then a second, second wave of united blows will follow, but this is a game, a conscientious, but very significant game, and if it does not stop further, then a blow will be struck here american bases, of which there are 100 times more, or even 200 times more in america than in russia, foreign, tens of thousands of americans will die, i think that this this argument has been heard, i hope that these threats of mine will be empty , and god forbid that we ever make this kind of threat, because along with the american soldiers whom i wish to die, innocent people will die, but these innocent people are already dying in the thousands, millions in iraq, and now in ukraine, all were talking about whats out there half a million or 400,000, we dont know how many ukrainian soldiers died, how many civilians have already died from absence, who live in war conditions, we even no one ever writes about them anywhere, this is a war that the west unleashed, and which, therefore, needs to be stopped, and which needs to be stopped, including by moving up the escalation ladder, we are now having a discussion about what could be. It is Worth Winning the war, which we will definitely win in any case and completely defeat the ukrainian regime, with conventional forces , i think that it will cost too much, i feel sorry for the resources and most importantly for our people, however, i feel sorry even for the ukrainians who were deceived, i think that we will have to go up the ladder of nuclear escalation, i hope that our american partners, opponents, whoever they are, will come to their senses, will finally come to their senses. I repeat, that same deep state, they put highly incompetent and irresponsible ideological people at the head of the American Administration, do you agree that the irresponsible use of force can be provocative, but an irresponsible refusal to use force can also be provocative and can, if you want, provoke precisely your own. Weakness or what looks like weakness, therefore, if you really want to avoid war, then it is very important that the enemy took you seriously, i completely agree with you, but i do not retract my words, albeit spoken polemically, that we have a careless nuclear doctrine, which is intended for other times and which was written. Apparently with caution on that in order to please someone, unknown to whom, by the way, it is completely meaningless, from the point of view of real nuclear policy, because again, i am writing this in the second article, in the second article, the doctrine, or the idea that a nuclear limited nuclear war, will inevitably lead to a general nuclear war, this is a myth. And a myth created by people of good will, including me, who wanted to precipitate any war in this way, but any such war was unleashed, and in this sense we. Acted frivolously, now you have to cut yourself off and cut off others, behave much more harshly, it would be better to do this earlier, well , it seems to me that frivolous compliance leads to trouble, i will never forget the phrase in the memoirs of gorbachevs assistant anatoly chernyaev, where he explained that they just thought it was bad form to turn to the secretary of state. lets put all our obligations, mutual obligations, including those not expanding nato, on paper, chernyaev wrote, but that would show that we dont trust them, this is for him it seemed, well, it was just not only dangerous, but disgusting, he said, this would be contrary to new thinking, we believed that they. conditional they are the same as us, that is, just as good, i didnt think so, in those years, but i was one of the very rare people who criticized gorbachev quite harshly for his policies, including in the nuclear field, so you said that the use of weapons, that this must necessarily lead to a global catastrophe, that this is a myth, why do you think so . Well, first of all, i dont i know, thats why i wouldnt want to check my own statements, god forbid, but when you hear that this will definitely lead, this is absolute stupidity, firstly, because real doctrines of the use of Nuclear Weapons, even written ones, especially american ones, provide for , a lot, stepwise nuclear escalation, and i strongly suspect that our policy is the same, well, a little different, it needs to be changed, by the way, we also need to think about how deterrence should work in the nuclear era, that is the real doctrines are different, but i repeat, i dont want to open the road to hell, because after all, uh, we dont know what will happen when a certain rubicon is translated, we spoke very clearly about the moral side of this situation and that this moral country is for you very important, yes, but i also think about the moral, and i wrote and spoke about this, and its absolutely moral to turn a blind eye in a situation when the world. Is confidently sliding towards the third world war, confidently, i believe that if we dont if we stop this slide, it will happen within 10 years, this is absolutely i have a strong feeling, which is why i insist on my position, i think that it is shared by more and more people, i am sure of this, i know this, in ukraine the ukrainian offensive has failed. This is not only said in moscow, it is not only said in washington and new york, in general it is even beginning to be recognized in kiev. If this is so, then why do you think that the world is sliding towards the third world war, it would seem that russia is moving towards victory in ukraine, and even when russia will win in ukraine, and it can only win, by the way, really. To resistance, because not only it is necessary to destroy, demilitarize and denazify ukraine, there will still be pockets in the west, but the most important thing is that fundamental changes have begun in the foundation of the world, crises similar to the current israeli one, they were absolutely predictable, there will be a lot of them, i can name a dozen more points where. Almost certainly within a few years, name one or two for example, indiapakistan, saudi arabia, new Nuclear Powers will appear, at least three in within 10 years, almost certainly, we just need to insert the fuse that was there, and this fuse, which prevented us from sliding into a general war for 70 years, was the fear of nuclear armament, it was gone, it needs to be returned, but systemically the situation is heading, of course, towards a third world war, due to the many crises that are growing. Despite the fact that we are europeans, you are also partial europeans, as it comes from russia, but we must admit that it was from our continent that everything came from the very terrible threat to humanity, war. Russia has on the battlefield, they did not come automatically, i hope you agreed with this, this required a serious reorganization of the armed forces, including the attraction of new senior command personnel, this required a serious organization of the defense industry, where very large success. But russian diplomacy also spoke in a new, more confident tone. To what extent, to what extent are these changes, from my point of view, constructive and necessary, they also covered the russian export community, so let me want you to listen to what a person you know well, the director of the institute of asian and african countries at moscow state university, said about this. Lets listen. I will say an interesting thing that strikes me during Vladimir Putins speech, the audience in the audience was mostly people who had long advocated a march to the west, who were from the prowestern wing. It can be stated that in our country the expert elite has not changed, which in a good sense should serve the orientation russian politics. And this is a very bad sign. The russian president says this for a reason, but it turns out that he is saying this for the wrong reasons. Thats what, frankly, worries me the president s thoughts are very clearly structured. An obvious turn in the asian direction, lets say, in the nonwestern direction. But china can observe that the people who are sitting in the hall are the same people who worked with the west before. Therefore, the chinese have a natural fear, if they are so unprincipled, when the pendulum again swings towards the west, it turns out that china, india and other asian states will again be left alone. Like you, alexey maslov, but what is called. Is not afraid to speak brightly and prominently, but it seems to me that , as in your case, he is talking about something serious and real, your point of view, well, im not commenting on the opinion of his colleagues, but this is the opinion that he expressed publicly, and so i m not commenting further, its not a royal matter, but this is the first second, really, but we are undergoing a rethinking, i. This is very i am glad, i am considered the father of the first eastern turn of russia, which began at the end of 2000, now we are advocating for a serious siberian turn of russia, for a shift in the center of spiritual, economic and political russia, to the urals beyond the urals, it will be necessary to build a third capital, of course, this will happen over the next 1015 years, im sure of it, i really like it. Uh, not what is happening in the expert community, it still lags far behind the realities, naturally, because it is tied to old realities, this military operation, or war, no matter what you call it, leads to magnificent, powerful, although , unfortunately, expensive changes in russian society. We are becoming a people, much more so. The elite really began to change both mentally and physically, and it will change increasingly, because people who went through this war and will come to leadership positions, have already begun to come to leadership positions in the regions, and then in the center, there will be a change, there will be change of elites, it went, and i i really like this process, war to this is a terrible thing, but this war was necessary , unfortunately, also for the restructuring of our consciousness and for the restructuring of our society, we finally abandoned the absolutely ridiculous illusions that the west will help us, and from the absolute idiotic focus on complete integration with the west, which came from ignorance of this very west. You probably remember, there was such a person, rahm emmanuel, of course, who was even the chief of staff of the white house at one time, and then he became mayor of chicago. He had a favorite expression that it was impossible to allow at least some crisis not to be used for the necessary state purposes, so when i looked at your dialogue with president putin at the valdai forum, i was struck by the extent to which you said that is happening now with optimism because many people, especially in the globalist elite. This is what you said, the satisfied expression on your face, your smile, for them it must have been a shock, because they have nightmares, and even during the day they have nightmares, they have a feeling, not even that something terrible is happening, but not a feeling of some very great guilt, its unclear why, and so i had the feeling that you see, looking at the current situation, that you see the possibility of some kind of. Something new, very essentially new, a future for russia and which will not come automatically, which needs to be built, but which is real, they expressed what i think, so i completely agree with you , i will remind you of the things that we once they said that this war is leading to the washing away of westernism, we have completed the western voyage, at the same time, we retain in ourselves the best that we received from europe, great culture , or great literature, maybe the greatest in the world, i sound like a chauvinist, and we, this is the first thing, westerners either leave or rebuild, you just escaped, second, we knock out, or rather, with the help of the fact that we caused fire on ourselves, we embroider the comprador class, and the comprador elite, intellectual and economic, due to the rather unsuccessful reforms of the nineties, we created conditions when people were forced take money abroad, and partially leave it there, such. These were idiotic reforms, but what to do . That was the story, we were ignoramuses, so these camparoda elite are also being kicked out and the gamdar mentality is being kicked out, i really like what is happening, finally we got involved in Mechanical Engineering and finally we started investing in science again, three factors, happening at the same time and very quickly , too slowly, of course, it seems to me, but maybe thats why. I think were in no hurry with nuclear escalation, we hope to win this war, the west, without using, of course, terrible measures, but themselves, or the worst in themselves, its in themselves, its happening, sergius alexander, thank you very much, whats happening now from my point of view is a serious tragedy. But this is also an optimistic tragedy, and you showed today that this optimism , that it is not built on illusions, on real opportunities, if you only know how to take advantage of these opportunities, your last word, i knew that there would be a war, i have been saying for 25 years, i wanted us to issue ultimatums and even we started military operations earlier, but we started them now with some delay. But better late than never, now i feel myself and the country in myself, in a much better position than 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago. Thank you very much for this important and interesting conversation, i hope your optimism turns out to be justified. Me too, it was a big game, blame the advertising. Well be back in just a few minutes. Khrushchov and kennedy found the strength to show responsibility and wisdom. Deployment of american jupiter missiles in turkey radically changed the entire balance of power. This is what marked the beginning of the cuban missile crisis, in contrast to western historiography, which they are trying to present as the root of the problem of placing our missiles in cuba. In cuba we were responding to what the United States had already done near the soviet union. The United S