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look at trumpism versus true conservativism. we have david on the show all the time. but the morning half. >> when someone comes on the show and they have a book, i'm the usually leaning forward. but i'm just like, this is too familiar. this is so familiar. unfortunately, you and david and i have had similar backgrounds growing up at the church. but all these people that were your friends are in your community or even closer than friends, and your church community, just abandoned you. >> the day you decided not to follow along and support a guy who said he never had the need to ask jesus for forgiveness.