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we are seeing an inundation of plastic pollution in the ocean, as well. there are 21,000 pieces of plastic in the ocean for every person on this planet. our oceans are getting walloped, and we're finding plastic in our food web, in us. i really think today, we ought to be thinking about this as people or plastic. >> right. >> plastic is incredibly harmful to humans, and there is a global environmental negotiation going on today, right now, in ottawa, canada, to try to get a handle on this horrible plastic pollution problem that's really damaging both the environment and humans. >> so that's my next question for you, monica. how does this happen? because in reading some of the information that goes along with this, you're right, it's showing up in breastmilk, in human tissue, in the digestive track,