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ALJAZ Inside Story 2017 Ep 271 September 30, 2017

Dollars on private jets tom price was president trumps choice to lead the movement to repeal and replace obamacare. But the magic of television i got ninety seconds to get studio fourteen inside story. On counting the cost of the worlds Fastest Growing startup created a new virtual labor market but can that Business Model clear the regulation roadblocks. The factors at play as Oil Prices Enter a bull market counting the cost at this time. Iraq orders International Airlines to stop flying into its kurdish region follows mondays session which passed with overwhelming support group baghdads pressure forced the Regional Government to cancel the result or will it backfire this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program today with me peter dubey now the government of iraq is suspending all International Flights to and from bill in its northern autonomous kurdish region people in the area took part in a succession vote on monday that baghdad and other governments including crucially turkey have strongly opposed almost ninety three percent voted for the referendum but the Prime Minister hietala bodies of ministration calls it unconstitutional its also demanding full control of the regions oil revenue and border crossings gets one guests in just a moment but first sets up our discussion from. There no more integration of flights to and from the airports of evidence eliminator and that should last until the end of the year from now on only limited emergency and military flights will be allowed to land or take up with prior Great Initiative with the authorities in baghdad domestic flights. As. But many of the people who are leaving today especially because of the diaspora come here to be part of referendum they said cut short their holiday here simply because they did not feel safe to transit through the airport in baghdad now the kurdistan Regional Government is also refuting to adopt any of the measures demanded by Iraqi Parliament the twelve steps that have been issued on when his day the government here say that those are unconstitutional you hear the same word unconstitutional coming out from Prime Minister here he calls unconstitutional the the referendum that took place earlier in the week at the moment there doesnt seem to be any Meeting Point between the two sides. The carriage also refuting to hand over. The border crossings with iran also calling step. That they have the right to keep that so certainly a lot of worry for to people here many said that they had enjoyed voting in that referendum but now its bittersweet. Story lets bring in our panel installed on camera on my sons senior lecturer specializing in kurdish studies at the university of sussex in baghdad. Director of the house of iraqi Expertise Fund and in bill. Dean president of the middle east Research Institute welcome to you all. In this deadline what does it actually mean well this has been anticipated it will mean a lot of inconvenience for both the kurds and the International Network of business friends diplomats tourists and you name it people see very nonsensical punitive measures taken which. Is really also seen as pointless because it will not serve any purpose people will not all resolve of the kurdish leaders will not be in any way moved by this and many people expected to be temporary because if the kurds could not convince baghdad to restart it the International Community will and the airlines well and certainly people the authorities here have opened doors to baghdad saying come on running just solve do we will do what it takes but baghdad is not offering any alternative so while this is just causing problems and inconveniences it may seem as though theyre isolated kurdistan but in reality because are not very worried about this because if thats the kind of measure coming then thats not the end of the world this will be a transition thing and then they can overcome that there are many alternative ways so this people are watching whether to see this will be followed by other measures or not but if you can see from the airports that how people are desperately panicking to go how bad the day today the people here are not moved by Cameron Mathison in baghdad will they think well do it do you think actually seal the borders well i think the with respect to the amateur traffic there is certainly. On the iraqi side to do so why asking International Airlines not to fly into iraq using its regard him as a state but i think you know as your previous guests know your article response correction were outside world cant continue my alarms there is a more general point regarding basically sanctions whether diplomatic will well economy and i think iraqs own experience during the ninetys when it experienced some of the most comprehensive sanctions in modern history against the mass regime of Saddam Hussein demonstrated that actually sanctions you know they have sent themselves. Unlikely to to kind of bend their will of a determined actor in International Politics so im not sure that sanctions actually would serve the purposes specially given that the kurdish side has clearly states and this referendum is nonbinding and they are actually happy to negotiate from this point on with the Central States in about that so i think they have currently quite harsh stance which not not mistaking presence has to do more with the with the domestic politics in in iraq i. E. Parts of iraq outside criticism of iraq even the two in twenty eighteen elections which coming up and Prime Minister by the seems to be trying to appease the more hardliners around mr maliki who want to take a stronger position against the could is the Regional Government because of their friend mr maliki of course being the former iraqi Prime Minister Ahmed Rushdie in baghdad is that a fair consideration in your mind because the iraqi Prime Minister has to go to the polls next year mr barzani the leader in the kurdish region hes jew to step down next month well is told about is the Prime Minister of all of iraq so he actually can do what must do what he can do hes the higher commander of the iraqi army he has so many authorities that its supposed to be for the unity of iraq thats supposed to be used for the unity of iraq but the most important thing is that particular speaking he has so many pressures he has from the shia parties there are so many pressure from the shia parties from iran from turkey. And also of course from the hotshot from the pm forces also which means that hes looking for the twenty eighteen elections in a way that all these procedures that he mention here that he became in the community its supposed to be the most him. Porton meant that means he is raising up his name in front of his society but on the under other hand we all know that its supposed to be there is no there was negotiations before the referendum and he asked for the negotiations before that a friend them before the referendum that happened this week that now whats happening now is that now the kurds and mr bhansali president barzani is actually asking for the negotiations. My my feeling is that all these harsh procedures maybe it will be a period now but it will be in a way or another. A way for negotiations between back then and now deal now step down from the roof and is the Iraqi Government asking for a step down from that of a friend them refuse the results maybe kurdistan or lets say may frozen the results rather than reject the results its a way off with negotiations that at the end it will end to the on the table iraq does not need another crisis we have so many things to deal with we have there are issues we have the financial crisis and so on and are there and the kurds are iraqis its supposed to be that we all learned the lessons from previous history well we have eight eighty eighty years war with iran we have sanctions for about thirteen years so and so its supposed to be all these all those lessons that i learned by the iraqi by the iraqi leaders ok we could have a separate program its wise to interrupt you for a second because you have another discussion about how the kurds see themselves and then we have to talk to the kurds in iran in the diaspora worldwide thats not specifically what were talking about the lower. How can the un pick this as our contributor from baghdad is suggesting they will inevitably have to when for example there was a trilateral agreement put in place very securely last friday and in that sense the players who have a vested interest in the kurdish region not getting more autonomy than it has already got they want to keep the status quo the neighboring countries are trying to. Get the kurds in iraq to solve their problems in other words they they think that by keeping the iraqi kurds either prevented from independence or even suppressed that is one way of solving the problems across the border where the they really should be adopting more overarching. Aussies towards a kurdish question and more democrats eyes asian and more civil rights and they should deal with their issues internally and the history has shown over the last twenty five years that iraqi kurds incrementally had acquired greater sovereignty over their decisions yet this did not affect the neighbors across the border and of course the kurds in turkey and in iran they have their grievances and its related to what happens in kurdistan of course emotionally culturally in many other ways what happens in iraq affects them but its a wrong way around to expect the iraqi kurds to solve these problems by not asking for what they deserve the iraqis as well they need to see that the this cornering this pressurize ation this agreement with iran and turkey against the kurds can only make matters worse can only increase the gap between the kurds and the neighbors or at least the Iraqi Government the previous speaker quite rightly said the Iraqi Government may be like the iranian and turkish governments everybody is electioneering everybody is under pressure and everybody wants to calm things down so mr about is actually among the this years hes now the only man in a position of power who can make decisions but the house of shia where they have decisions used to be made is now very divided very fragmented and they are between them between themselves and their electioneering so trying to appear tough for their own voters so thats populism. Internally behind the scene they think this is very damaging very bad so the best way forward has been is what the kurds are emphasizing is that the time for negotiation is never over this referendum was just an opinion poll lets talk about how we can design the future so the turks have realized that they they were tough they spoke. But actually they did not take any serious measures to make life more difficult for themselves or the kurds the iranians are exactly the same theyre speaking tough they think this was a mistake might made by the kurds but they are not closing the border theyre not doing anything i know how to measure that would make it difficult for them to amend to mend fences in the future iraq needs to do the same i can also predict that now we are into our shura i sure is not one day it will take a whole week and politics will actually take a week break and after that people will have to then see what can be done and use the language of of debate of dialogue and its only then when they think properly having adopting new vision and strategies they can exchange projects Exchange Ideas come up with a way forward so thats really the healthiest way of managing this crisis while many kurds in iraq and elsewhere have welcomed the referendum but others including the u. S. Are worried it could lead to violence in an already sensitive region Donald Trumps Administration Signals its frustration and said the u. S. Was quote deeply disappointed with the referendum but it would not affect u. S. Kurdish Relations France has warned of the destabilizing effects of the vote and says it could provoke new major crises across the middle east iran has closed its border and halted all flights to the kurdish region turkey is threatening military intervention and as we mentioned earlier it will now only negotiate with baghdad for oil exports lets talk to a man in baghdad what are the chances as a reaction to this what looks like a stranglehold on the airport barzani say over the next twenty four hours of the next week after assura given ten days he declares full independence is that likely i dont think it will make the kurds more go to the extreme in a way or another they are asking for negotiations. Or waiting for a positive response happen by the Iraqi Government. Maybe because of International Community pressure will happen now. To open why did you go between baghdad and bill but let us Say Something which is very important the problem is that in two thousand and three. Happened between the Iraqi Government and they are g. Is that Iraqi Government will give seventeen percent from a from the annual budget. From the Iraqi Government to erbil and started from two thousand and three and till two thousand and fifteen or two thousand and forty so there is a problem now for some sort of problems that we give you the money to stay in iraq now you are you want to be outside iraq so give us back our money so its its some sort of new levels of sanctions airports the land. Borders and now we are talking maybe there are talk about financial crises it will be happen between baghdad and about the seventeen person maybe it will escalating for more but i think with the. Well with the with the presence of the u. N. With the presence of the International Community in baghdad i think there will be some sort of movement against any harsh measurements. For the Kurdish People special of the Kurdish People already they hospitalized about three million refugees most of them are iraqi so its supposed to be one of the important event that happened to the iraqis that they went to kurdistan theyve been welcomed in kurdistan so even on the social level now the people in baghdad looking for kurdistan as a safe zone for them so its some sort of contra directory for for whats happening between the political level and the social level but that then i hope and and maybe it will take time at the end there will be a negotiating table and at the end maybe there for under itself it will be negotiated for its results and maybe for its fate so then whats going to happen what is the kind of relations between baghdad and erbil lets talk about the idea of a relationship between baghdad and bill Cameron Mathison in stockholm is an independent kurdish state lets call it kurdistan is an independent kurdistan better or worse than a de pendant kurdish region when it comes to the fight against eisel and also the way that refugees are spread out around Northern Iraq partly because of whats going on in that fight against deisel in iraq and in syria well really the question in the kansas is is this always depends on specific circumstances of a particular people in a particular his country within which they live i mean what you get from your article is that their experience with iraqi state since its inception about two hundred years ago has been simply systematic violence oppression negligence and and various forms of sanctions and so on so they dont tips into the new relation with the iraqi state after two thousand and three war after the overthrow of the sundance hoping that they would be part. Sort of an inclusive broadly secular state and that more than it was the basis on which they claim they actually accepted United States kind of. Invitation that they would remain within the iraqis think since then things has have have not really evolved the way they are in visit at the time for example this question of disputed territories which is at the heart of this problem of of especially Oil Rich Region because the two should have iraq up thousand and five specifically states is article one one hundred forty that by two thousand and seven i ate ten years ago there should have been referendum in these territories so that they could decide their formal affiliation whether to the k r g will to the central state this never took place the distribution of the federal budget has been also contested as your previous guest said this was suspended by the central state all the while that Central Government in fact kept paying Government Employees in their regions to taken over by the isis which is quite a contradictory approach to take now the only issue seems to be the Central Governments kind of opposition point i. E. They say the kurds have have marketed their their oil bypassing but other now one could say that they want your article did so only because they sent the budget from the center was was suspended but also because again in your article situation states that parts of iraq which experienced this proportionate. Deprivation under the previous regime could for a specific perio

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