Americans is never the right way to produce a better environment or a better economy and donald trump tops his record on the environment whilst again slamming the Paris Climate Accord. A former conga laser warlord nicknamed the terminator has been found guilty of atrocities including murder rape and conscripting child soldiers basco into combat convicted by the International Criminal court on 18 charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity all relating to the ethnic conflict in democratic republic of congo and he 17 years ago we began with this report from malcolm when we. Go into gun has been in armed groups since 1998 when he was 17 years old. Prosecutors the International Criminal court accused him of committing atrocities during conflict in the democratic republic of congo in 20022003 hes been found guilty of all 18 counts who was crimes and crimes against humanity with which he was charged escorts and scum. Guilty of murder a scrying against humanity as. To guilty of murder as a war crime and finally a scum count 18 killed the or destroying the. As a war crime is that a gun you may sit down the charges included murder rape conscripting child soldiers and sexual in slave and during conflict in congos it turi province judges detail the massacre of at least 49 people in a banana field behind a village and the children who had been this him belled all had their heads crushed on to ganders orders. Thousands of civilians were killed by militia connected to the hammer and lendu ethnic groups but the armed groups are widely seen to be partners or proxies of the governments of congo uganda and rwanda i dont think that hes basically the biggest case to be. And that has been a criticism and that has been levied against b. And c. Accepting you know what its supposed to try those bearing the greatest responsibility. You took 17 years when crimes were committed for the i. C. C. To eventually convict and to go. And violence in it to reprograms hasnt stopped dozens of being killed and thousands of fled to neighboring uganda following fighting in the last few weeks but other rights activists say the i. C. C. Successful conviction is a step forward and that some justice is better than no justice in the region where people responsible for atrocities are rarely held to account malcolm webb aljazeera Nairobi KenyaElise Keppler joining us now associate director of the International Justice program its Human Rights Watch nice to see you at least the way this can turn very slowly i mean this is 17 years ago but i guess the good news for all the people in d c now is that it does actually amount to something eventually today is bird it isnt in court in the moment for the victims and. The region who suffered and. It brings a measure of justice and. There were perpetrators rat we need to find. That and is it good also for the International Criminal court i was speaking to a guest earlier who actually used to work at the court and i pointed out that theyve been 34 indictments over the years and up until now only 2 actual convictions. The International Criminal court has faced stiff challenge is one issue of course is that it doesnt have its own police force we saw that. Loud near us once near the court he eventually ended up where the International Criminal court weve also seen that and he says that the i. C. C. Must be there being then ultimately found to determine to be an acquittal or have not made it to trial because there was enough evidence Human Rights Watch is encourage the International Criminal court to prove its record over time and also to increase its pieces on congo as you mentioned earlier in your report that unity is widespread in the us and yes so im really sorry im going to have to interrupt you weve got some breaking news to deal with out of hong kong but thank you so much for your time carrying the chief executive of hong kong it is said that the controversial extradition bill is dead but lets have a listen to what she said set to see these violent acts because they undermine the rule of law in hong kong so i make a very soon see a plea here that in future if anyone in hong kong have any different views especially those about hong kong governments policies Police Continue to uphold the value of expressing it in a peaceful and orderly manner. On the 18th of june and i have a attended my most sincere apology for the disturbances and tensions and confrontations caused by a work in amending the fugitive of endless ordinance since 10 in the past few weeks i met a lot of people and listened should have use i just want to give a brief account off alone now. Now 1st of all the cause of all these. Grievances and confrontations is an exercise to amend the future to full fenders ordinance i have always immediately put a stop to so the amendment exercise but there are still lingering doubts about the governments sincerity where it is whether the government will restart the process in the Legislative Council so i reiterate here there is no such plan the bill is stepped up. As regards to the months myself the secretary for justice secretary for secret c. And the chief secretary for ministration have responded on different locations in brief we have not given a label to what took place on the 12th of march what devon label given by whoever is not going to have any impact on the outs and may Prosecution Division decision because prosecutions in hong kong undertaken independently by the department of justice in accordance with the evidence the law and also the prosecution coat secondly any demand that we should grant an amnesty at this stage in other words we will not follow up on investigations and prosecutions of offenders is not a sop to bill because that bluntly goes against a rule of law in hong kong and also deviate from the very important principle laid down in the basic law that no one should interfere with the department of justice prosecutorial decisions. As regards to setting up of an independent commission on fiery. We have all noticed that on friday last week the statutory and independent Police Complaints council has already unanimously decided that they will conduct a fact finding study on events that have taken place during the period night of june to the 2nd of july with a view and so find out the facts and sawed off provide the the true situation so members of public they are. Appealing for members of public the policeman and a journalist to provide information so it is fact finding study and im very grateful that i. P. C. C. Has taken on my views a wishes that they will try to finish this independent study report when the in 6 months some meet the report with recommend ations to myself and make the report open so that everyone will know what has happened during that period. I fully understand that the responses of the government may not have fully mad the wishes of the people especially the protesters who have gone on the streets several times to express their views i just want to reiterate that this is not this is nothing to do with my own pride or arrogance this is the governments food deliberations of the various concerns and factors and comes to the conclusion that the response to this was practical mashes for us to move ahead. So all my sincere key is please give us an opportunity the time the room for us to take hong kong out of the current impasse and try to. Improve the Current Situation the government has the most important duty to improve the situation so on the 1st of july i announced in my speech that we were adopt a new governance style in order to ensure that we are able and capable of listening to views from different sectors before we implemented policies so i want to make some concrete follow ups of those suggestions one is we will listen more extensively to people from different backgrounds with different ideas so that we have a better graps of Public Opinion this well will be carried out not only by myself its also to be carried out by my Political Team including the principal officials did undersecretaries to political assistance and also by my senior Civil Servants whom i have met over the last few weeks and they are all very willing to help by displaying that same sincerity and to consult and listen. As for the role of the executive council in this particular aspect i will and harms the role of a state of council that is members of the nonofficial members of the exert of council so that they also shoulda imports and responsibility in gauging public opium years and reflecting those opium is to me. The 2nd concrete mash it is we will reform the existing console tate of machinery which basically comprises a large numbers of console tate of advisory committees with members appointed by the government into these committees to will offer us advice i feel that we need to be more innovative in other words sometimes we may not need a formal committee we should build more open platforms to facilitate dialogues in a very frank and exchange manna and so make sure that wherever joins to committees all of these styles come from different backgrounds so they are not homogeneous of one proof they should come from a more diverse background so that we can really receive views from a wider spectrum of society one of the important committees that will undergo i would say a Major Overhaul will be the you for development commission. Because this commission was set up to coordinate initiatives relating to young people and so address young peoples concert so i hope that the whiting see will undergo a major change over to a more open dialogue and platforms to listen to all views from young people of various backgrounds the 1st concrete initiative is when i say that in rolling out policies the government should have more thorough deliberations we should not be guided just by executive efficiency or an end date for achieving a particular target so i have invited all my principal fish rose to revisit and reexamine some of a controversial policy initiatives under their respective jurisdiction and consider whether we should re re dual paul and hans the consultation and discussions with the people so to at the end of the day we could have an initiative which has more prop based support and in doing so i hope we could restore some of the trust of the government amongst our people. And finally i said that on the 1st of july that i would reach out to more young people of different backgrounds to hear them out and thats why last week. I contacted the president s of 2 universities the home Call University of Science Technology and the Chinese University of hong kong to seek their help in a ranging smaller sessions closed all sessions so that we can listen without any sort of constraints i realize that this idea. Is not welcomed by student unions they instead contact propose that we should have an open dialogue i now readily welcome and agreed school do this open dialogue with our own student representatives and we will follow up i hope this open dialogue will be conducted without any prerequisites on my part on the part of the students to conclude i want to a sadist really from the bottom of my hot 5 years ago i was so one of the principal for shows involving occupy central now 5 years later as a chief executive i was overseeing this fugitive offenders ordinance amendment. Both exercise have caused a lot of grievances on have to news and tensions in society i believe they reflect not only one incident but some fundamental and deep seated problems in hong kong 5 years ago we we finished occupy central we moved on without addressing those fundamental problems but this time i dont think we could continue so ignore those fundamental and deep seated problems in Hong Kong Society. I hope together with Hong Kong Community we could really go deep into those fundamental issues and try to find solutions so in recent days so for all university of prestons religious leaders and. Social and Community Leaders have spoken to me on their idea of creating an open constructive interactive platform for dialogue with people from different backgrounds especially with young people who have a view to jointly understand and identified those deep seated issues with the whole view that they could identify also some solutions for us to move forward i certainly welcome this idea which i hope will not only sort of provide some relief to the current tense situation in hong kong but also help to mend the rift in society so i support this piece of work and hope that it could be started as soon as possible but since the the proponents told me that they preferred this dialogue to be created through all Community Efforts the government will not go into a sort of direct how does dialogue should be as stablish but whenever i and my officials i needed to take part in a dialogue we are very happy to do so. Why the dialogue is being asked now wish me well the whole call as the our government and myself will continue to address the social economic and life problems in hong kong with a view to resolving some of the current difficulties budget i got was a complete climb down then from kerry lam the hong kong chief executive who has Just Announced in the past few moments that the controversial extradition bill which led to all the protests we have seen in hong kong in the past month or so it is dead now and she conceded that the governments work on the bill had been a total failure and she has asked and these were her words give us a chance to move hong kong out of this impasse we will listen to more people from different backgrounds we will reform the consultative committees she even said im now readily welcome and open dialogue with student representatives so a lot of concessions from kerry lamb except the one thing that a lot of the protesters did want and that was her resignation she has not offered that but as i say shes in a very conciliatory mode and saying that there will be talks with student representatives carry them says we cannot ignore the fundamental issues in divisions in Hong Kong Society the headline however is that the extradition bill days are her words that deal is dead and the governments work on the bill has been a total failure live coverage out of hong kong all of that speech from kerry lamb the hong kong chief executive more on that later on aljazeera. Lets look at some other news the uns human rights chief says she is appalled by the conditions that migrants and refugees are finding themselves in in u. S. Detention facilities near the southern border Michelle Bachelet said children stopped by Border Agents should never be held in detention facilities or separated from their families Rights Groups have complained that many children have no access to showers they were being detained long past a maximum of 72 hours and 5 children have died in Border Patrol custody since december she has made it very clear that several un human rights bodies have found that the detention of Migrant Children may constitute cruel inhuman or degrading treatment thats prohibited by International Law and she also made it clear that any deprivation of liberty of adult migrants and refugees should be a measure of last resort karen bring greenberg is with us now director at the center on National Security at the Fordham University school of law. Karen its its fairly obvious what michelle passionate is saying weve seen the pictures weve heard all the reports but the fact that it is coming from someone as high up as her can that make a difference. It can make a huge difference you know head yet to be. Authoritative place that have condemned the border to tension centers in a way that has alerted both you know and for opinion and there needs to be some coherent sentence spot let me just Say Something else about her opinion remember she is also a doctor and shes a pediatrician and so her words about the treatment of the children if meticulously i take on a particular significance its not just some kind of reactive mode she knows what shes talking about and cool inhuman and degrading treatment where children are deprived of senator kerry collisions of bairds of food have led to outbreaks of chicken pox and other diseases so its not as you said its not a leap to say that this is pool in human and race whats interesting with this though is that as a say the pictures of it when weve seen it all and yet there doesnt seem to be any sort of backed down from the u. S. Government you know when things have come out in the past and this is not a direct comparison but i i think about Hurricane Katrina in the terrible conditions we saw then it was it was this shame or my stone the u. S. This time people are pointing it out but theres a say theres no back down. No actually its very interesting that the government continues to say number one that the conditions arent as bad as the pictures show you that they keep saying no were were actually taking care of it there have been one or 2 officials who have said were doing our best and its not good enough and remember that the elite the New York Times report that came out a day or so about the conditions that doctors and lawyers had uncovered that it was detention guards and detentions data that were coming to them in tears saying look no one will listen to us were trying to weve been trying to complain up the chain of command the response in washington is they basically your laws were right this is the way were going to do it and youre right its its very hard to acce