That the e. U. Cant possibly keep and then blaming the breakdown on them i know that there are people that think that i actually dont think that i think the determination of this government was to get a resolution on bricks it if that then led to an election in which they could say we delivered fantastic but it was in that order in my mind it was to deliver bricks at 1st and then potentially go to the polls this mass having an election potentially before weve left the which i think even if it helps the tories in the end because of the destruction of the party it spin the bottle gambling and it could go in any direction. Just once that in a sense is a minority government spin the bottle is pretty much left out its just before we go on i mean as i say the chamber is filling up now a result i think must come pretty quickly. Do you feel that we are now at a Pivotal Moment in the game what happens now. Next to do you think that is disinfo this is absolutely pivotal if as we think the government has lost today the big argument tomorrow will be can the Rebel Alliance having won their single day of debate get through the house of commons a vote that says well let the effectively say how long the delay will be we say january but if its not january then its literally in the in the legislation however long they say it is there are a couple of things people havent thought about lets say they win the thing goes to the house of lords everyone here is assuming once the votes done its done actually they dont necessarily say the house of lords famously can marginally and wants to examine things is a house that does not believe in rubber stamping things the Rebel Alliance may find their agenda tripped up in the house of lords and even if the lords passes it but with an amendment it then has to come back to the commons for debate on the amendment to the government will have another chance effectively to slow it down or as our americans friend call it potentially filibuster it this aint over yet if the government wins tonight then its done but if the government loses tonight i will loses tomorrow itll still struggle and fight for the rest of the week and then Boris Johnson gets to enact his proposed plan to parliament at some point next some point he wins those discussions and thats thats right he would and its worth reminding viewers not all of them are in the u. K. That protein is something that generally happens every year its been used like some kind of moderate magic harry potter term it actually is a term for the ending of a parliamentary term in the beginning of the next session and it normally happens every year we have just with the death knell of concluding the longest palm intercessions in 17 o 7 say these are historic times were going through but probing is not abnormal i think it looks to me as if were very close to getting a result now. Not abnormal the duration of this. News will though and it does smack to well a lot of people like manipulation of the mechanisms of parliament in order to reduce the opportunities that m. P. s have. To voice or exercise their opposition to it i understand that but lets ask ourselves this but the maximum calculation they lose 6 days of debating weve had 3 years since the vote what do they think theyd gain in those 6 days they havent done so far in 3 years. Well enough to see what the answer to that may be all sorts of possibilities a general election possibly a 2nd referendum possibly tantalizingly as well another deal a deal on the backstop for sure i actually think thats one of the most likely outcomes because dont forget as we get closer towards brics it actually happening in the timetable that weve got both sides do want to deal a deal of any kind at this point off as market certainty a transition of at least one year almost certainly 2 years would mean that everyone breathes a sigh of relief sterling probably balances the e. U. Gets tariff free access to the u. K. Market into a cheap wildly exports more goods and we buy from then the u. K. Gets to continue tariff free access with the rest of the e. U. Business investment carries on everyone is very happy with a soft landing a transition period but of course but that means weve got to negotiate about what happens next with us in the this is and in the negotiations about how we leave your thats a pretty rosy scenario you paint. Give us the context as we wait for this result of what no deal might mean why is everybody so up in arms so many people yet are up in arms about the possibility of no deal the main reason that people are so up in arms about the idea of no deal is that those who lost the referendum 3 years ago and have never accepted the fact that they lost need something to use as a cloak or a shield to say whilst i accept the results of the referendum im really concerned about this and then they effectively seek to stymie to vote that my country had the largest vote for anything in the history of the United Kingdom was to leave the European Union so anyone who pretends to be a democrat cant be publicly if all those people are increasingly now opposing it openly they want to be seen to be respecting the way the people voted after all theyre going to also. Same voters to vote for them at some point so instead they fasten on to things like. And the way that our time to be with the European Union if we leave without a deal with the e. U. Wed still be trading with them on terms and types which most of the world trade on it would be destruction but it wouldnt be a major disruption it would be less disruptive in this law shouting at us tonight theres nothing wrong is there with trying to push for a better deal than the deal that to reserve my god given the huge opposition to a backstop it didnt make its way through parliament 3 times theres even a suggestion that tomorrow labor m. P. s may try to amend the legislation to get a 4th meaningful vote on trees amaze. Bill i mean that seems extraordinary but in principle theres nothing wrong with driving or pushing hoping and trying to force it for a deal and if thats what i thought the continuity remain campaign was pushing for i would give you different i actually think what theyre trying to do is stop me if they were genuinely trying to get the best deal possible when we leave and then potentially which people dont really talk about mounting the case which i wouldnt agree with to rejoin the European Union if thats what they want to do that would be a perfectly respectable thing to do instead they remain campaign which has never put its weapons down since they lost 3 years ago is still trying very volubly tonight but also in the house of commons to win their way despite the fact they lost in the country in 2016 and then we had a snap general election in 2071 but the conservative policy on the Labor Opposition Party said they delivered bricks that something which i. Put together they still remain campaign go on. Like frankenstein just cant kill it off one of the biggest problems of course as again we wait for the result of this crucial vote a vote that might well see the business of the house upon house of commons turned over to monitor backbench m. P. s seeking to block a deal breaker one of the biggest problems up to now is that 2017 general election isnt it because it robs a reason made of majorities. We ended up with a Hung Parliament that is so much the reason why so little has happened with brakes it up to now wouldnt a new election likely result in another Hung Parliament it may well result in all the current polling from respectable 3rd Party Organizations like electoral calculus points towards a significant majority of the party naysayers can say thats exactly what the polls said before 2017 went to reason they lost a majority say we take it with a pinch of poes do you suggest the tories would do better and that is built largely out of frustration with this process a sense the parliament hasnt got on with it lets be fair to theresa may she had her rebels on the other side on the euro skeptic side who wouldnt go along with her and thats part of the reason he didnt toss her mind to the labor party the liberal democrats who say theyre the champions of a good deal wouldnt vote for say there is that presumably now if there are as many as 17 roughly that number conservative party rebels who vote against the government deceiving who do in fact have the whip removed from them so that they cant stand but presumably the party will be hoping that at the very least their seats will be taken by the conservative Party Members who are rather more of Boris Johnsons playbook correct it would be a rock solid test in my view for anyone taking any of those seats fake voluntarily vacated by those voting to take power away from their own government tonight that they must be willing to deliver and were about to have if things go the way that were suggesting for this government to have a bricks election there is no point in selecting another rabid remain or to replace the remaining who just rebelled against the government theyve all got those 16 seats and i think is going to be 60 theyve got to be filled with rock solid bricks it tories and the other thing is horses got to hold firm tonight he cant have it having made the threats having said if you vote against this government not just on an issue of policy but if you vote to take power away from this government and give it to the opposition and theyre full on to the e. U. To decide the timetable tries to get rid of all of them. But have said that they would do that and then done it and what does that do for the integrity of these parties the dignity of the spot to hang on i think we may be hearing sound from the chamber as we speak of we crossing over to the chamber now its hard to tell a result must surely be imminent i wondered about the answer is yes tools that you can see while you are you and he also has to restore the dignity of the part of the well i talking at serious tory grandees to for much on says former cabinet ministers yes it shows that youre serious about delivering on a governmental agenda and a matter how puffed up or illustrious the person rebelling if we have to take the whip away from churchills grandson these things on hereditary in the end you are doing apologies business are you not in the party ok alex i think we are about to do a result weve listed jonah and were looking at least 2 of the 10 is there at the moment we need 4 of them i dont have that right now as we wait to hear what. The result. Yards to the right 328 the nose the left 301 was before you got it good stuff maurice before did our eyes to the right 328 the nose to the last 301 so the oh you have it the our eyes have it all know. How to cook a quarter. Of course point of order the Prime Minister says big i think it is i think it was have either codes princes of this great to die to beings that parliament is on the brink of wrecking any deal that we might get was a hand of the negotiations to the e. U. And that would mean move. More delay and will continue to be the self would be able to decide how long to keep this country in the e. U. And since i would use to go along with that plan we are going to have to make a choice mr speaker i dont want to lecture in the public i was actually i dont believe there was one action but if the house votes for this bill tomorrow the public will have to choose who goes to brussels along with the 17 to suicide and take this country forward Everybody Knows that if the right over here is the Prime Minister he will go to brussels im sure an extension he wanted. Was to go on and we will have. Arguments about branches and microprocessors its a big everyone knows that if this government is in charge and we get it right going to brussels i will go for a deal and i believed. I want to thank god even if you dont i will leave anyway i dont tell you about the fancy cars the people of this country will have to tears with to speak of the leader of the opposition has been begging for an election but to hear the crowd of supporters was sorry calling for action i dont want the election and peace vote tomorrow to stop the negotiations and to compel im not the point i was killing 2 brits potentially for years that would be the only way to resolve this i can confirm that we also like tabling a motion under the fixed palm and it was thank you over time oh this is think you are on a point of order i welcome tonights vote we live in a parliamentary democracy thank you do not have a presidency but a Prime Minister. Prime ministers govern with the consent of the house of commons representing the people in who the sovereignty rest. Of there is no consensus was there is no consent in this house to leave the European Union without a deal was that no majority for no deal in the conference was on said before is a Prime Ministers a confidence in his bracks it follows a when he has won he can put forward he should put it before the people in a public was they want to tell you about a motion for a general election fine yes the bill through was thank god it was no other to tell you no detail was off the table. Was. Was. Was very rude the members are. The older i think you were chosen of the duchy so when he turns over children in school as a parent hes a very well behaved fellow you wouldnt dare behave like that in front of college all the night do it i dare you to stick you a job and spare a student yet trix ok you also. Go out. I was surprised. To. Hear those we know ok if youre wondering what all this shouting is about there in the house of commons in westminster in the heart of london m. P. s have just voted on basically taking control of business in parliament i think the voting is done its not theres going to be another vote on when cell explain why in a minute or less the result of that key vote and show you what has happened so the opposition and conservatives rebelling against the government run by Boris Johnson got 328 votes the government cost 301 votes the government losing that by a significant 27 votes ok lets take you live to westminster our correspondent in hollis monitoring what has been happening there in the house of commons joe you know we were expecting the government to lose but perhaps by not as much as 27 votes. Yes its a pretty comfortable victory for whats become known as the Rebel Alliance conservative party and these voting against their own government perhaps in larger numbers than some folks thought and joining a cross Party Alliance of in these who brought this motion along with a piece of legislation that will be voted on tomorrow. Wrote seeking to block a no deal breaks it on october 31st a majority of 27 for that cross Party AllianceBoris Johnson speaking afterwards saying that parliament is on the brink of wrecking any deal that might be possible with the European Union making the point that he does not want an election to sort this out the people do not want an election to sort these out but seeing no option but to have an election to sort things out before the European UnionCouncil Summit on october 17th at which 80 stuart any last minute deal might be concluded the people he said must decide if its going to be me going to that summit i will go for a deal and i will get a deal that people must choose Boris Johnson says that he has formally laid a motion on the order paper for tomorrow seeking a dissolution of parliament under the fixed Term Parliament act that will require a 2 thirds majority vote if there is to be a snap election and Jeremy Corbin responding the Opposition Leader saying there simply is no majority in the house or in the country for no deal this vote confirms that he said if the Prime Minister is so sure and confident in his bronx it strategy then he should put that strategy to the people in a peoples vote let me bring in my guest now alex dean is a political strategist has done lots of work for the conservative party including with former Prime MinisterDavid Cameron talk us through alex what happens now how significant a defeat for Boris Johnson is this what is going to happen next its a bad result for the government not only because they hand say the control of the house tomorrow to not just the opposition but this wider group of socalled Rebel Alliance members of parliament but also because its significantly large enough it implies they would lose it debates in that argument that they would lose any votes on a bill that then went on to hand the time to. The negotiations to the save the in the conservative ranks has been that there are enough members of parliament who would vote today to strip us of power but vote not to give it to the but they might even if they lost today tomorrow with a loss this big i think theyll have to rethink that quite a lot bigger than expected what you put that down to is that enough or rather more conservative m. P. s than the government feared who havent taken heed of its threat to remove the whip if they voted against the government a move that potentially would signal the end of political careers and yet people have gone ahead and done it well i think they will have full safety in numbers so theyve realised that 15 of them and many of those people as unite been discussing a very prestigious and high profile of the tory party they might think themselves theyre not going to suspend the former chancellor theyre not going to suspend. The party to which i think will say wait and see i think they will but moreover i think they will think to themselves this is an issue of principle as they see it that they need to take their stand on the 3rd consideration might be well by the time we go to the election will be our leader any more im convinced that he would be but they might be thinking to themselves he loses the debate in the fixed