Coat our mistake we should admit but what is good is that the a. N. C. Did at some point listen to Civil Society and they did a tear to the will of the people and hence the many lives were saved. Or not note were going to shift to our audience whove been waiting here to come in. Here in the 2nd row thank you tamala balika while the state was being looted universities were being chronically underfunded and in 2015 in 2016 the Fees Must Fall Movement shook the country and put this on the National Agenda many of us suffered injuries from Police Brutality at the time in fact some students were killed Benjamin Petilla was killed by police how do you as an activist reconcile that the policing in south africa right now by the a. N. C. Is reminiscent of the policing and apartheid that you yourself were a victim of as an activist at the time thank you. I think when police have been brutal their law must take its course them as well and so we as government cannot be hippie with a bad elements among the Police Elements that still exhibit signs of really actually being more like the old order and therefore agri with you that where police are behaving brutally they should also be dealt with as criminals no one has been held accountable they add because i know with the meanest output lease we discuss these issues and in fact the easy program putting an eye on the conduct of the police themselves is a different minister of police to the one with the Swimming Pool video no yes its a new minister. Lets go to the back good evening member lekha we find ourselves in what can be termed as the perfect storm as a nation in south africa and we find ourselves at a time that we deeply divided and we also all introspecting as a nation could you kindly share what your outlook is for south africa especially for young people and also what your message would be to potential Young Leaders to convince them to stay in south africa thank you whats your message to Young Leaders to stand south africa. I think Young Leaders must know that south africa the future of our country in fact must be their consent they must be involved they must find forums where they must participate in different sectors where they can also contribute towards becoming active. Decision makers about their own future ok lets go i said disjoint were going to turn the corner you see the police in south africa been hurt a kind of my question is for the american incident on the 6th in a focused no one has been brought a country that so what are you doing about it is there a growing culture of impunity in south africa is asking about the merican a massacre 201234 mineworkers who were killed by police no ones been held to account for the 7 years later what are you doing to the Police Accountable now ill find out ill. Say time hold on the american massacre is a big story and i know he does not have find out more information im just saying i have to update my information but youre aware no one is being held to account for the killing of 34 people some of them were shot in order to show up out that thats why i must find out i mean were pretty sure because we looked into 34 people i want to know i know that i know how many people died very briefly the commissioner of police if you remember very carefully she was recalled from the position he. Saw something have happened while 34 people dead and someone got fired you said nothing of happened but i meant in terms of process im guessing he meant in terms of putting people in prison for killing people and shooting them in the back to the audience member asked about people going to prison youre aware that no Police Officer went to prison specifically for killing any of the 34 people is that wrong with that role im saying my own information needs to be updated. And if its updated and find out that nobody went to prison is that wrong do you think someone should have gone to prison. Because people were killed yes ok the stones win and the brown jacket. In 2017 you said following the fall of Robert Mugabe the military coup in zimbabwe one and im quoting your words when one member of the 1st family grace mugabe thinks he has the right to determine who should be thrown out of the ruling party. I think anybody you meant the military in this case has the right and responsibility to intervene now since 27 is simply a military Coalition Government has taken over in zimbabwe that when abductions shootings by the most in the street economic downturn and persistent risk of another coup my question is do you still think militaries have a responsibility to intervene in politics in light of these development did you support a military intervention in zimbabwe i thought it was great that intervention was politically motivated it happened to be an initiative of military people. Was a coup was it a military coup because it was the military then i guess who will do but im saying there was a crisis is easy and folding in zimbabwe do you think it was better for that i think that intervention helped. Ok were going to go back to the audience go to the back gentlemen the glasses there my grandmother and mother kitty to care for in c. K. Does and taught them how to create an Education System in iraq they remember. I was one of the people with the open border policy in south africa who was able to become a doctor and a Rhodes Scholar here and i only became a citizen in south africa a month ago and i am deeply hurt that people like me have no future in the country because we are seen as being zimbabweans and nigerians who conduct crime. How can i tell my girlfriend to come back to south africa with me to contribute for a future can you please take this opportunity to think about your views with your heart when people like my grandmother thought for your liberation in south africa not knowing when it would come ok. Thank goodness it is exactly because as the a. N. C. Weve been thinking with all our hearts that we are in the problem that we have where we were hoping it will work for us all to live together in our communities and like where we lived in in the refugee camps when we were in other countries and unfortunately it has not wet and what we are saying is let us sit down to gather with you and your girlfriend and talk about the reality. Just to be a challenge you say you want to see it to use kind of quote unquote western lingo tougher border controls tougher migration policies less immigrants is that what youre trying to say weve got weve got to mind the truth coming into the borders like every country does every country does not just allow anyone to come in without proper documents and come and do as you like but worried about going on here about scapegoating immigrants for stuff and. Breaking laws of that kind very very which we dont allow. Very briefly because it was very poorly step to point what im hearing because this this means that south africa will never be developed because if we as South Africans are going to take an exceptionally stiff you that means well never be able to integrate our economies south africa in chinese tents its just a village where only 56000000 people and i think we ought to begin to think a product than just thinking of south africa is a Little Island in exceptional terrace. Come to the general and then well go to the general. Good evening i just want to ask you why is it so difficult for any cigar meant to solve a live issue problem in your country because the 2 percent of farm land is owned by white minority thats where the problem is which. Is going to be a time bomb. It is a problem. We with you we must deal with it we have not been great at it in the past 2 decades or 2 and a half decades and we asked seized with it right now. President of a poster named kenneth consisting of 50 percent of women so do you think in the next decade maybe well have a woman president thank you. I hope so. Do you want to throw your hat in the ring or young and. Generally so an article in 2017 by biz news referred to the government as a organized Crime Syndicate and levels of criminality in the government have reached such stages where they have resulted in a breaking down of moral and social fiber of the country and Violent Crime has flourished to stream levels with is on average 56 murders and 100000 rapes every single day my question is because this seems to be a theme of denial both here tonight and not taking responsibility for anything what responsibility do you take as a Senior Member of the a. N. C. I think we cant blame the problems of south African Society on the a. N. C. Creamy nally has been in south africa for more than 3 centuries especially after the colonial days came and brought cry from the euro to africa and so you can say they. Brought all over me now you are sitting in the u. K. Lets be clear the British Empire did do exactly what you just said but they did to a lot of countries why is it south africa has the 5th highest murder rate in the world in 2015 im wondering. The United Nations you may be. The one so what ok as i know you know world bank were way over on times is going to be the last question i hope its a really good one no pressure. From a speaker welcome to the space my question is in light of worries of africa finds itself in both politically economically and socially how do you see your role in the facilitation of the erosion of Public Institutions in south africa and what would you have done differently that is a good question. I have no me outside of the collective that is my home politically you know i do decently as an individual that is you could have done anything differently over the last 10 i dont have a person on space to do things you know personally as an individual really no. One last question for me chris harney the anti apartheid icon who was killed 26 years ago he said in october 1902 what i see here is that the liberators emerge as elitists who drive around in Mercedes Benz is and use the resources of this country to live in palaces and gather riches was he rather prophetically describing the south africa of 292228 certain extent as weve been finding out about the kinds of things that some of us some of our own people have been doing and i am saying. Its not a bet the name that that is coming out is actually a good thing because then only can we at it on that note mr blecher better well have to leave it there thanks to our audience here in the oxford union thanks to our panel of experts here and then cutie you for joining us head to head back next year thanks for watching at home. Although work does stay with most well why the rest internment and mass indoctrination children are now in a process of reeducation or chinese assimilation forced labor and the use of high tech surveillance were being complicit in the human rights abuses that are occurring an australian investigation into chinas systematic repression of the weakest tell the world on aljazeera. Hedda theres some heavy rain across the southeast of the United States all tied to Tropical Storm ernesto this is it but its moving quite swiftly across the southeast where the main weather is over the next couple of days but if you can see by sunday it pick up a pace and actually eventually itll push out into the west of the atlantic so just sitting off the coast of the eastern seaboard so itll produce. Some heavy at times across this particular portion macare not quite nasty in the southeast in the meantime the threat of heavy rain and tornadoes and very strong winds at about 60 kilometers an hour out towards the west thats where the the snow piling into the rockies and then by monday as it works its way east and actually feeds into this much warmer as the time is a little bit cooler but even so the clash of that cold air on the east. Right the way along this line down there into southern areas of texas and sunny plenty of scattered thunderstorms across areas of the caribbean and Central America some fairly heavy. Up towards nicaragua not a bad day sunday across much of the yucatan peninsula but plenty of rain into southern and western mexico and that really stays pretty much the same as we head through monday. This is al jazeera. 11 so how everyone im Kemal Santa Maria this is the news hour from aljazeera. The political crisis in lebanon deepens as a Christian Party quits the government and mass protests persist. Then they would be bad for this country. Johnson is forced to reluctantly oust the e. U. To delay a break after he suffers a setback in the u. K. Parliament. A huge wave of support for one man why millions of flying the flag for argentinas president and from new york to sydney the long haul flight thats past its test with plenty of fuel left in the tank. Well the crowds demanding political change in lebanon have been given an unexpected boost by a member of the very government they want to bring down the head of the christian forces party some is Just Announced his ministers would resign news that was celebrated by thousands protesting for a 3rd night but still they want total reform zain a father reports now from beirut. Theyre up against a Political Leadership that is clinging on to power and they have used force to do that. Day 3. Protests lebanons army and Security Forces are being accused of heavy handed tactics which are further inferior rating demonstrators they havent left the streets despite the crackdown and arrests their demands remain the same im certain. The government should resign and early elections must follow the response from the Ruling Alliance whats clear one act play out well now that we dont want the government to resign if it does it will take one or 2 years to form a new government and the economic crisis will worsen any will be made up of the same political forces. But that is what protesters dont want they want change tension has been building for months these are difficult Economic Times and they blame those who have been in power for decades for corruption and the mismanagement. Many here are unemployed some cant pay their Childrens School tuition fees others cant buy medicine or pay for their hospital bills the defiance is palpable people behind us are if you think we are all gathered as live any from old age and from ordinary lives were saying one word week im not anymore accept you. As giving them support is supporting the last miles not the government has no more yesterday president how do you decide we have 72 hours the 72 hours im not going to change anything. Plans to impose more taxes triggered the protest Prime Minister sato how d. D. On friday gave his political partner 72 hours to come up with alternative sources of revenue for the budget it seems the political elite are scrambling to find a solution but that appears to have done little to call the anger tens of thousands are protesting but has made clear. The majority of lebanese have the secretary general has said if hezbollah supporters decide to protest they will change the equation and balance of power other lebanese consider that a threat and a child the iranian backed group has a military wing also told those on the streets they wont be able to topple the Ruling Alliance was lebanons political and sectarian divide is deep but those who are raising their voices are standing united carrying only the lebanese flag this is the biggest nationwide protest in years but there is a large number of lebanese whose allegiance remains with their Political Parties its unclear how much those on the streets can achieve their beirut well the protesters have stayed on the streets well into the night. We did see the biggest numbers on the streets particularly in the evening and have been out in the last 3 days and of course yesterday last night we were there as well when the army used strong crowd dispersal methods tear gas Water Cannons to disperse them it didnt stop them theyre out in full force a real Party Atmosphere today people singing a lot of insults being thrown at particular politicians wanting the government to fall you mentioned there in your intro said he is one of the. Main part of the political debate lebanese Political Landscape he says hes told his ministers to pull out of the government those are for ministers its not going to cause a collapse of the government as of yet but it is the 1st sort of political fallout of this wave of protests are going to have to wait and see this 48 hours to go more or less until that deadline ends at sav head he had placed him but certainly the momentum is there come all the people around they say theyre going to come back theyre actually going to stay is what theyre saying we have to wait and see if theyre all going to stay overnight im sure some will and then theres really protests tomorrow and then monday again a day strike being called to keep the pressure up remember banks have been closed shops are closed around these areas this is having a massive effect also on an economy that is already pretty crippled so there is a lot of pressure on the politicians to get some kind of a solution i spoke to best moment a little bit earlier a professor of International Relations at the university of waterloo in canada shes also lebanese government actually doesnt have a lot of options to try to address protestors to moms. Well its really stuck you know in a very difficult spot because you know the essence of this challenge is frankly economic and i th