Transcripts For ALJAZ NEWSHOUR 20240713 : vimarsana.com

Transcripts For ALJAZ NEWSHOUR 20240713

For the 1st time in more than a decade details of their match against sri lanka later in the program. The upper house of Indias Parliament is voting on a bill that will grant citizenship to minorities who face religious persecution in pakistan and bangladesh and a gonna stand bought the bill has stood controversy because it excludes muslim refugees from the 3 neighboring countries opposition politicians and Rights Groups say the exclusion of muslims as part of the governments hindu nationalists agenda defending the bill the home minister says Indias Muslim citizens have nothing to fear. It is a question of giving citizenship to people who have come because of religious persecution the minorities or any muslims need not worry i want to say this clearly nobody needs to worry if anyone threatens you or scares you dont get scared this isnt their interim government that is moving with the spirit of the constitution so the minorities will get full protection well a curfew has been imposed in parts of the Northeastern State of mass demonstrations against the bill have turned violent the protesters there oppose the bill for a different reason they say indigenous communities will be marginalized if a large number of the migrants from bond with the issue granted citizenship and protests are also taking place a neighbor and tipper a state where large migration from bong the issue of the past few decades has already reduced the indigenous population to a minority well for more on this lets bring in on chile war as she is joining us live from the indian capital new delhi sounds like a very serious situation in the northeast with a curfew imposed in what are you hearing about the situation there on show. Well theyve been protests for some weeks now but today we saw massive protests the also took a while and there were several students groups protesting in the capital of go hearty and we believe that they tried to jump barricades and the police also used tear gas shells then and also believe that a curfew has been imposed and that army has been deployed not really deployed but it is certainly on standby in the state of assam a column of indian soldiers thats about 70 soldiers have been are on standby in a neighboring state of to put out 2 columns of soldiers thats about 140 are also on standby that gives you an indication of how serious the situation is the government of course trying to take all the preventive measures to ensure that the situation does not go out of hand as sam has a long history of opposition to bengalis especially those who are originally from bangladesh so what theyre saying is we dont want any migrants to be given indian citizenship irrespective of their religion for the reasons you mentioned but there are other reasons as well there is some sort of deep rooted opposition to them some say it is also because of ethnic differences between these 2 people they need a government is saying that they will try and make certain exceptions for the states in the northeast there are 7 states in the north is the average skloot of 5 of these states from the citizenship Amendment Bill but not the 2 where weve seen protests as sam and trooper only partial exemptions have been made for these 2 states and thats the reason that there are protests there and were hearing that the curfew is expected to continue even tomorrow and also an internet shutdown has begun its not very severe right now but its expected to get worse over the next few hours and while these are the biggest protests that weve seen so far against the ban on child there of course as we mentioned of the protests in other parts of the country from very Different Reasons by those who see the bill as being anti muslim anti 2nd in nature. That is correct so thats the other part of the story now the bill the government is saying look were trying to protect and give shelter to religiously persecuted mine minorities in afghanistan pakistan and bangladesh but why only these islamic countries why not other countries why not the thomas from sri lanka why not from man a moderate thats the governments intention if its benevolent then why not also help the others so the criticism is that the government is essentially only trying to accept mainly hindus because this is the this partys politics its a the nationalist party ruling the country and theyre trying to polarize people and looking at it. As a part of their Vote Bank Politics the critics in this case several political observers even some of the top legal minds in this country journalists and muslim activists and politicians are saying that when you do this youre essentially making every Muslim Indian citizen also. A suspect and youre saying that maybe theyre not indian citizens because this has to be seen in conjunction with a National Register of citizens which does far has been applied only in assam that essentially is a list of what is and is not an indian citizen in assam but the Indian Government wants to. Have this exercise done across the country when that happens experts say then it would be easier for you induce to prove their citizenship but it would be much harder for the muslims in they will continue to live under fear until thank you for that for now that is on child born with all the nations joining us live from new delhi we are going to stay with the story were now joined by fires on must the fire hes won as chancellor and Nelson University of north hes joining us live from hyderabad very good to have you with us on aljazeera so as weve been seeing not all those who are against the bill are united in their reasons if we stay with the northeast where we have seen the biggest protests are those Indigenous People in the northeast who are already a minority in india are they right to be worried that theyll become a minority in their own states if they havent already. Concern is not communal we have. National and human enough and they believe in not easter they are not bothered about their religion not that. They are seeing that their local culture and local language is under threat and those people from bangladesh should be. Holding anyone who is in bundle up. Initially when this movement got started to get go we had enough mic garden we had a cover of the age of 24th march in 71 so now in spite of exemption by some of the e. U. Are the north east. You are putting bringing forward the start of the peoples of the 7 by pretty far in there will be a large influx of people from bangladesh who migrated to the the area and who will get in citizenship so its the locals and immense but what they are seeing that its been theres little arsal in binges on the secular goetic that of the constitution and you know some of them something jimmy only got that. It seems the Indigenous People are increasingly in the mine not right do you think mr moss the father of the protests that was saying in the northeast at least could force the government to back down from this bill especially if it costs them politically or is it too late for that because it is expected to pass and the happy upper house anymore imminent. No i think its too late to begin with and truly if you look at the political calculations of the ruling dispensation these billions going to help them invest in gold they have for the thieves while in the northeast or the number of seeds is much smaller we have made their political calculations they are going to reap rich dividends out of this bill not only in west bengal but in the rest of the country and if we look at the other issue of the bill the what many legal experts say is its muslim anti secular nature in fact unconstitutional do you think its likely to be challenging the Supreme Court and if so could it actually pass legal muster. Well it will definitely be a challenge in the Supreme Court absolutely there is no doubt about the legal challenge to the bill but what that really love fast im not very hopeful of our decision from the record on this matter because we have seen him since they went the court did not really act with. The promptness right and even the meanwhile n. R. C. Also comes to him then maybe in the company. There will not be much was the board going to really do if the amount of judgment after we are now looking at the legality and the cost of the bill it is absolutely clear that we have not been all about me but in countries we have excluded people who follow judaism and islam and we ignore the fact that in these muslim countries women muslims are good for their political and there have been military rules that deal. They must stand right liberals that i am of the are. The number one is. Just like my mother in bangladesh have been part of the and thats like the liberalist dollars out of that you should definitely acknowledge that there is the part of the illusion it was all along. But anyone who is one of the good i dont because of israeli general politic a little bit you know should be welcome in india mr most of all with thank you very much for your time and your expertise on this we do appreciate it for now that as far as on most of the live in hyderabad thank you. We are going to move on to other news now we are muslim to understand searching is at the International Court of justice defending our country against allegations of genocide but she called the accusations misleading city insists the military has been conducting a legitimate operation against armed groups and that action has been taken against the use of Excessive Force on tuesday sochi sat through graphic accounts of mass murder and rape detailed against the military the allegations stem from a 27000 crackdown which forced more than 700000 muslim or a hanger to flee to neighboring bangladesh. Can there be genocidal intent on the part of the state that actively investigates prosecutes and punishes so this in offices who are accused of wrongdoing although the focus here is on members of the military i can assure you that appropriate action would also be taken against civilian offenders in line its due process there will be no tolerance of Human Rights Violations in the rakhine or elsewhere in the im not the kind to day suffers an internal conflict between the buddhist african army and Defense Services muslims are not a party to this conflict but may like other civilians in the conflict area be affected by security measures that are in place. We pray the court to refrain from taking any action that might aggravate the ongoing conflict and Armed Conflict and peace and security and rakhine lets go live now to our correspondent wayne hey he is at the hague for us and the peace plot prize laureates way in any court defending genocide charges much in the same way weve heard from her before allegations are incomplete and misleading she says. Yes i dont think there were any surprises in this speech given by. Anyone hoping for any sort of contrition from her or overt sympathy towards the plight of the reindeer would have been disappointed she did sympathize with those who have been displaced because of the violence in Rakhine State she said the hundreds of thousands who were forced to flee neighboring the dish what she didnt do was respond to the specific harrowing allegations that were laid out by the gambian legal team on tuesday of rape murder and torture carried out by Security Forces as they went through those. In Rakhine State and she didnt address the root causes of the problem and they are the fact that the rich have always been regarded as Illegal Immigrants in the end they are discriminated against through laws and rules that are targeted directly at them and they have little or no rights so those sorts of things were not addressed by her and what i have to say was a fairly general and broad speech by her i expect that. All others testifying speaking on behalf of myanmar will have to be specific at some point when i mean what else are we expecting what are we expecting from the trial. Yes well this is just the beginning of what will be probably a very long genocide trial possibly lasting years but the 1st part of this this week is a very short process in fact it ends on thursday with a rebuttal from both sides and what we are seeing in the 1st instance is the gambians asking the courts to order the government of myanmar to take concrete measurable steps to ensure the safety and security of the remaining Rakhine State and those who have fled to bangladesh and who may want to return there are asking that the judges request me and to report back to the courts here at the hague to prove that they have taken those measures well judges. Lawyers representing the side have asked in response that the judges reject that application so after thursday the court will go into recess the judges will consider both d arguments and they will possibly make a ruling on those provisional urgent measures requested by the gambia within a few weeks and then we will know whether they have accepted that argument from the gambia or whether theyre going to throw it out or when thank you for that for now that is when hey when the all the nations live and the hank thank you. And Stephanie Decker is and cox is bizarre and beyond that there is she says refugees they have been following the courts proceedings closely the consequences of the mean mars military offensive in august 2017 is turning this into the biggest refugee camp in the world one of these tents have a family a person who has the most horrendous stories of what happened to them so whether genocide intent of genocide is proven or not what is clear is that severe Human Rights Violations atrocities were committed against these people many people here are aware of the proceedings in the hague some of them have been meeting with Community Leaders sitting around a radio listening having them translate what is happening here theyve been calling for justice for a very long time but there is a skepticism also among some as to why unsung suchi when. She went to the court for her own benefit we wont be benefiting from it she was part of these atrocities against us she went there to lie and to gain public support for the 2020 alexion in myanmar she went to the i. C. J. For her own benefit it is hugely significant what is happening so many miles away at the International Court of justice but whatever way the court is going to rule that it is going to take time many people will tell you that its not going to have an impact a real direct effect on the people here people want justice theyve been calling for that for over 2 years but they also want to go home now mean more hasnt given any insurances hasnt allowed the United Nations or any agencies in to assure that they will be safe if they do return to bangladesh has made it very clear they dont want them here almost a 1000000 people live in these camps and their future is uncertain well lets get more on this now were joined by chaos conflict and humanitarian policy adviser at save the children and hes joining us live from london very good to have you with us on aljazeera so i know that your organization has worked very closely on this issue so what did you make of the address today. I mean 1st of all i think its brilliant and the airings thats taking place for 2 years now on the ground in hours and coaxes bizarre last week the children we speak to and their and their communities affected constantly call for justice. As an end in itself and i think also to have their voice has been smashed on stage which so far ive been quite silent on that so i think we welcome the hearings taking place in the best instance and then secondly there is nothing really in their motion the government of yemen to say that suggests that theyre taking necessarily the allegations too seriously it sounded like a very technical to say and suddenly there was a single reference over and as a words through any of the testimony i think where it was it was referring to other documents that to us is a signal that theyre not necessarily meaningful about the concrete steps that they say that taking at the moment to create conditions which would allow during its return or d necessarily at taking seriously the accounts from the hearings yesterday that forward really really egregious Human Rights Violations committed against their ngo so do you think that the International Court of justice can force me on to better protect the right to take this issue more seriously than they have in a way that other International Bodies havent been able to siphon. I think weve definitely seen in the last she weeks since the International Court of justice now these hearings and also the International Criminal Court Announced they were. Proceeding with an investigation that the pressure is definitely agree saying i think as you say the International Community for 2 years now other than a president ial statement at the Security Council a long time ago has been silent on this and they will be absolutely critical if provisional measures are grounds of ritual discussed earlier. To make sure that those are enforced i think weve seen from the independent commission of inquiry taking place inside myanmar d d. There is unlikely to be a domestic agenda which will achieve justice and secure accountability and the International Community absolutely has to be willing to step in and say these measures have to be implemented both genocides if you place now recurring occurred and also making sure that we preserve it never tints that required to secure accountability and along to recognizing that it will take probably many as. Thank you very much for your time on this today we

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