Transcripts For ALJAZ Counting The Cost 2020 Ep 8 20240713

ALJAZ Counting The Cost 2020 Ep 8 July 13, 2024

And i want to clock this is counting the cost of aljazeera all week you look at the world of business and economics this week. 2 nations taking different approaches to Carbon Emissions despite unprecedented bushfires australia pushes ahead with a controversial coal project were on the ground with the community that stands to benefit from the countrys biggest money in. Germany plans to eliminate coal powered stations but the governments accused of breaking its promises to replace coal with more environmentally friendly sources of electricity. And shipping the unseen polluter industry crucial to the Global Economy moving goods worth trillions of dollars across our seas whats the industry doing to reduce its emissions. So that Global Carbon dioxide emissions harmful gases behind Global Warming and Climate Change held steady for the 1st time in 3 years in 2019 the International Energy agency says that was thanks to a switch from coal power to renewables in advanced economies United Nations estimates that the world needs to reduce coal fired electricity by 2 thirds in the next decade to meet the goals of the parents Climate Change agreement right now of coal is just unrelenting. Data from n. Cold dot org shows that more than 50000000000. 00 worth is being plowed into coal Power Projects right around the world china alone is contributing almost 40000000000. 00 in financing projects from the United States to australia and rather than scaling back on coal powered electricity over the last 2 years china has added 43 gigawatts of capacity thats as much power produced by germanys coal generators also noteworthy from the Financial Data although germany has said it would eliminate its coal power stations its spending more than a 1000000000. 00 on projects from greece to india so this week we have correspondents in germany and australia to file films on berland ambitions to do away with coal power and australias 4 throttle approach to exporting coal to other nations and thats where were going to start bear in mind if you were to include all of its exports of coal gas and Oil Australia which is a nation of 20000000. 00 people would be responsible for 5 percent of the worlds Carbon Emissions aljazeera is alexia prime went to see a controversial mine which is being financed by the indian conglomerate a dunny. Claremont population 3001 of australias mining heartlands most of the work here is a cult following and they keep all wilkes Motel Business going as well possibly 70 percent of their of of business would be call related in one way or another whether it be the shoe salesman or the shampoo sidles men all feel salzman weve got companies that do a lot of Engineering Work that are independent of the mines like common stock. Dozens of mines surround remote towns like claremont which lies a 1000 kilometers north of brisbane and maramba just up the road keeps the Community Alive definitely helps with all the business like a business specially have with someone young like my daughter as well its got them a real future for claremonts the closest town to the controversial kamaka mine and its still 160 kilometers away the mines by the Indian Company adani and got the go ahead from the government last year after more than a decade theyve been holed up so the environmental approvals and funding problems for the mines be scaled back from its initial plans however it will still be among a strain his biggest exposing at least 10000000. 00 tonnes of coal a year this is the workers camp for the mine which is under construction just a few kilometers away we werent allowed to film inside and wouldnt talk to us on camera for this story the mine lies here in the galilee basin which is home to one of the biggest coal deposits in the world there are fears the mind could push an endangered bird species towards extinction while the land also holds spiritual significance to some indigenous groups adani will be the 1st mine in the basin and thats made it a flashpoint for protests its madness to actually lead it to that its got this far in the stein i mean what we know about Climate Change and i bring up. One of the biggest when you call deposits because it had this shouldnt happen in the Mining Industry and the role of fossil. Fuels in the Climate Crisis have been in the spotlight in australia after months of devastating bushfires and he has a drought and there are concerns the adani mind could hurt the Great Barrier reef where the coral is already being killed by rising Ocean Temperatures there is some. Want to give the impression that if you come to me is nothing but the reality is it has been huge tracts you would have had. And so i think what they are asking us to do. Business as usual which it certainly isnt and we do have to find that. Is the worst possible because we could bleach tomorrow straightly is the worlds biggest exporter of call and when the mine opens millions more tonnes will be shipped to india from the ports near the raif the government is accused of not doing enough to protect the planet or reduce emissions the un says a stray isnt on target to meet its commitments under the paris climbers agreement and last year thats delegation was blamed for holding up negotiations at the Climate Summit in madrid. Their generation call mana and local union chief steve smyth says his members to change but its got to be realistic. Mourners in a family and Community Come along on this journey and ive got to. Know which is rhetoric. And the fact that people are not convinced that renew the renewable sector. Employment. Security and a future for about them and making the adani mine could be exporting its 1st call as soon as next year in the meantime mr lee remains deeply divided over where the minds of purely sources of money and opportunity all scholars on the landscape that take more than i provide. Aljazeera queensland australia. The guards violent mind has been here for decades producing lignite brown coal to fuel the nearby power station which produces more energy than any other in germany a symbol of the countrys continuing dependence on fossil fuels in 2019 brown coal and hard coal or anthracite provided more than 29 percent of the electricity used nuclear provided 14 Percent Renewables accounted for 46 percent but ministers are committed to combating Climate Change by reducing emissions and spent much of the last year deep in discussions about how to meet those commitments eventually they found a compromise we have both forms of coal will be phased out within the next 18 years. Hard these are tough negotiations they took a long time in my view too long but you can see the result where the 1st country with a binding agreement to exit coal and Nuclear Power and thats an important signal internationally. Felix martis was a member of the commission which advised the government to prioritize a steady phasing out of coal he says theyve not taken that advice and broken their promises in doing so their viral loads are to dis recommendation of the study phase out the pathway at the moment is to wait until the year 2013 and to wait until the year 2038 and shut down the major share of the listener plans shortly before abuse that alliance one of the consequences of that will perhaps be felt most here bare for heart just down the road from guts failure with the minds immediate future guaranteed its owners want to expand it by buying the properties in bear the heart relocating the residents and then destroying the houses to mine the coal underneath already some people here have taken the money and moved out but not litter cox whose family has lived here for 6 generations she is fighting to stay. We need to go back onto the streets we must show people above all we must show politicians that what theyre planning to do is absolutely mad we must show them that we wont put up with it ministers are clear that mines like will one day disappear and that renewable sources of energy are. The trouble for the People Living around here is there will have to go 1st of all this white the government stated commitment to a green future dominic came aljazeera yeah its available. Well joining us now from berlin is kind night berties president of the German League for nature animal and Environment Protection mr not welcome to the program 1st of all what do you make of this leveling off of emissions in 2019 is it just a blip we could be back this year to more burgeoning emissions you know and i think at the moment where in a very critical phase from a climate perspective we can see that there is something happening in the International Economy going more deeply into the changing transport sector going more deeply into changes in Electricity Sector and perhaps this is one of the reasons why the carbon dioxid as that emissions are not rising as much anymore as they have been done in the last years and although there are certain changes with more coal in the maze leading towards renewables yet we have 50000000000. 00 being pushed towards new coal fired production yeah and we still have 500000000000 dollars each year that are subsidizing the fossil fuel industry thats the big problem at the moment we are entering a new era where renewables should be on the rise but we are still subsidizing and financing the old fossil sector so thats the big disruptions we have at the moment right and lets talk about specific countries where you are 1st of all in germany its all talk isnt it saying the right thing at home while pumping what is it a 1000000000. 00 in coal projects in greece and in dia yeah thats true germany had to have has had a big social to debate about the coal face out and we had a Big Commission last year that decided at the road map for the coal face out from a political point a few of the road is clear now but if you look at in to the investments of different Different Industries in germany they are still investing in the fossil fuel sector and thats a big issue its not the coherent strategy that can be seen there its. Its still the old system of fighting against the new system the coal phase out it trips off the tongue nicely this is easy to say but its difficult to implement especially in a country like germany where the unions are so strong and that causes problems for politicians to try to get reelected but also for people who just want jobs and thats completely right especially in in countries like china are germany that a highly dependent on the coal industry its hot for the politics to it to find the way out thats why we had this this become mission because the parliament obviously wasnt able to set this well but in this commission ive been part of the commission we found the roadmap together with the Energy Industry the unions and the environmental organisations and the other thing is clear if you look at the numbers in germany we have 300000 jobs in the renewables and only 20000. 00 left in the coal industry so the new sector the new jobs are already there we just need to bring the people from left to right from the fossil to the renewable sector youve talked about china what is the situation there because its a little unclear you hear on the one hand that theyre investing heavily in renewables and yet on the other they too are investing massively in you coal projects thats absolutely right thats one of the big contradictions in china in china they are building as much wind millets at the moment every day like germany is building in a year so its a huge just rice and net rise in china that we have in the renewable sector but they are still building new coal power plants there again they have big problems with heating their their economy so and so they i think there are still dependent on the coal industry but also in china in china like in germany its not a question of environmentalism anymore if you look at germany the price for wind from electricity from wind is its the cheapest one compared to. Coal or nuclear and thats the same in china so in the end it will become an economic question to go to renewables are not right with a lot of smart economists around so why isnt already happening yet in germany interestingly its still its already happening we have 1 some politicians that. Try to bring up the debate about Nuclear Energy again and you know who is stopping this debate its the Energy Sector its the c. E. O. s of the Energy Business to say that why should i invest in an industry where one kilowatt hour of electricity costs 20. 00 cent Nuclear Energy when i have a different industry where its 3. 5 percent the wind industry and you mention the Nuclear Industry what about that because its cleanest of them all is neat and despite what many people think relatively safe thats one of the most Common Misconceptions that Nuclear Energy is a clean Energy Despite the whole thing of where to put the all to Nuclear Material and to say storage safely look at it from an Economic Perspective if you have to pay the whole insurance for one kilowatt hour off of Nuclear Power then the club price would explode and you have 35. 00 to 0. 40 per kilowatt hour and wind is 10 so were just not only more Carbon Neutral because it takes much less Carbon Dioxide to produce produce one hour one kilowatt hour of wind electricity than one kilowatt hour of nuclear and but its much cheaper as well so there is no reason no reason at all to stay in the Nuclear Sector ought to stay in the fossil sector we are in a picture in addition at the moment and this will be decided by economy ok finally lets move to australia a country facing its own particular climate question with the recent bushfires that raged wildfires that raged there they too investing heavily in coal but theres a growing movement against d it yet thats absolutely. Right ive been to s. Trailer in 2011 where they had a big debate about financing the renewables and taxing the carbon sector a bit more but they havent gone so far in australia its really ridiculous they have few people in the country and a whole continent with a lot of sun above it for them its clear that they should invest massively in the solar sector but there again the money still is in the all sectors so the old sector is the political powerful sector and the question is how to bring push this money to the renewable sector in germany we have done so far just last time we had to related from a from a colleague in sweden who who asked me to hand over the wishes from sweden to the german taxpayers who made the renewables competitive and australia ever faced the same situation in the next years as well interesting all right well leave it there but great to get your perspective thanks very much thank you. Lets keep this thing about Climate Change going by looking at the shipping industry 90 percent of world trade is undertaken by shipping with an estimated 4 trillion dollars worth of goods being moved every year so hugely important and something we really cant do without well the European Union believes unchecked the industry could contribute to a 5th of emissions by the year 2050 presently shipping accounts for about 3 percent of global emissions and it may surprise you that like the Aviation Industry shipping is not part of the Paris Agreement doesnt mean the sector isnt taking its responsibilities seriously it has to because its facing protests like these ones against pollution by vessels in the arctic interestingly shipping fuel is produced from a heavier grade of oil thats more polluting and is banned from use in until to cuba. There are initiatives underway like the one i reported on in norway where batteries are being used to help power ships and there are others who have considered wind power but turning around an industry that invests hundreds of millions of dollars in ships is quite literally like turning around a supertanker and just to give you a sense of the problem the scale of it this is a live map produced by marine traffic dot com of all the vessels on all the oceans right now tens of thousands of them pretty much every single one of them powered by fossil fuels and belting out c o 2 into the atmosphere the scale is just staggering well joining me now from london is gavin all right and gavin is the secretary of the International Winship Association gavin welcome to the program it is the unseen source the great unseen source of emissions around the world shipping isnt it just how much of a problem is it i will thank you for having me on the program yet it is an unseen polluter shipping the if we look at the Greenhouse Gas emissions from shipping its around about 2 to 3 percent of the world total now that might not sound a lot but thats pretty much the equivalent of say germany or you know even more than the u. K. On the other pollutants sulfur dioxide nights

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