Transcripts For ALJAZ Afua Hirsch And Eniola Aluko 20240713

Transcripts For ALJAZ Afua Hirsch And Eniola Aluko 20240713

Yet with another nearly 800 deaths that could be more convoys like this needed spain now has the 3rd highest number of infections worldwide with around 25000 the death toll has passed 1300 now to help madrid and barcelona are converting Exhibition Centers into field hospitals for the sick germany has had a spike in confirmed cases up to more than 16 and a half 1000 and there are now temporary fences on its border with switzerland the German Government is considering whether to bring in a full nationwide ban on going outside. Where much of europe has already gone with its lockdown and social distancing measures the u. K. Is following economically culturally and socially this is a country that has been transformed in just a few days. By order of the governments the u. K. Is now pretty much closed pubs cafes restaurants gyms museums Nursery Schools and universities all shut for the foreseeable future the capitals buses and metro system are empty dont use them unless your job is critical people in london are being told this usually teaming metropolis is quiet. I think its good news that is good news in terms of that theyre looking after people that lived out their wages and the fact that theyre stopping hopefully or spreading by closing down the restaurants i think i think theyve done the right thing we went out last night for the last. Sort of tipped up a little bit harder than we should have i suppose so just the sort of people going along and its sad for the Small Businesses but hopefully the government to kick in and sort of support people along the government is trying to stop a wave of panic buying that has stripped supermarket shelves bare this week be responsible when you shop and think of others buying more than you need means that others may be left without and it is making life more difficult for those frontline workers such as our doctors and nurses and n. H. S. Support staff who are working so hard in such difficult circumstances. To prevent total collapse the government will prop up businesses and guarantee 80 percent of all wages its an unprecedented temporary nationalization of the u. K. s economy rory chalons aljazeera london. Early a quarter of all americans have been ordered to stay at home as more states roll out restrictions limiting Peoples Movement its happening as politicians get closer to agreeing to a one trillion dollar package to help cushion the economic fallout hamas which runs the gaza strip past confirmed the 1st case as their Health Ministry says 2 palestinians returned from pakistan on thursday and had been under quarantine and ruffa all restaurants coffee shops and mosques order to close following the announcement because her government has toughened its response closing more public spaces recreational spaces like parks are already off limits as are restaurants cafes and malls the gulf country has reported almost 500 cases most of which it says are among expatriate workers. The uterus and that it is now evident that coronaviruses more contagious than we could have imagined it spreading among individuals rapidly and widely this is beyond anybodys imagination and it doesnt require more than getting in contact with a person within a proximity of one meter and it only takes a few seconds also studies have shown it can remain on surfaces for a number of hours if not days. Libyas warring sides have agreed to a cease fire so they can focus on fighting coronavirus so far no cases have been reported there those are the headlines ill have another update in about 25 minutes from now next its studio b. Unscripted. When you play for england i was never really going to be as accepted as my. Name was and why race is not an opinion when racism is an ideology that is fundamentally all those without Democratic Values you know if youre not upsetting people youre not seeing in you know i do you want to know. My name is any honor and you care. Im the sporting director of Aston Villa Women Football Club i used to be a striker at one time well the shots. And im also a media commentator and a lawyer. I have worked in human rights and development i worked as a barrister a journalist an academic and the writer if always hardest to diagnose race of them in polite for britain because we covered it my name is i for her. I grew up in london but my mothers family is originally from ghana i was born in nigeria but came to the u. K. As a baby and grew up in birmingham ive read any memoir about her passion for football since she was a young girl. She was at the top of her career as a successful striker when she was dropped from the England National team after speaking out against racism. Into a male player we dont 102 comes from their country after 11 years of playing i dont think you know it takes a lot of courage and determination to do that i know that africa has struggled with has your life density because she is of mixed heritage. I think my whole life wondering if this is really my country shes even moved to africa twice to connect with our culture shes also written amazing book about it so im curious to compare our personal experiences and our sense of belonging to. Africa is a part of both and me but we also british and black women so we have more than a few things in common but were actually quite different. Any other there were so many things in your book which i very personally related oh im so happy i love doing it i love the i thought it was so on earth and so revealing because i followed your career in real time and i thought i knew the story of what happened but actually i discovered there was so much that i didnt know him but the 1st thing i wanted to ask you about was the way you talk about identity and you use the phrase hyphenated identities to talk about your british nigerian background how you reconcile that relationship now because its obviously 2 very different lives that youve lived one in nigeria and one in burning away you grew up obviously writing the book is quite a reflective process so i really started to think about what how did i feel about myself when i was younger i was a popular kid you know i played football the boys loved me because i was running rings around them but actually it was a girl i was trying to be a boy the whole time there is the photo of you in your book with me you know he was quite young like so happy to be i really think i want to be boy you know i was like that was just the biggest tomboy but actually really break that down i asked the boys to call me eddie i didnt want them to call me any which was my nigerian name and i actually love my nigerian name i love my name and you know but all of that i shut out for a long time and didnt actually want to explore and then theres all that stuff about actually when you play for england youre supposed to be as english as they come you know youre wearing the badge literally bar my names an arrow luko so i was never really going to be as accepted as my striker counterpart whose name was and why. And now im very much somebody that loves being a nigerian woman so the concept of hyphenated identity in my head was all about this constant balancing act that we have to do i love rich tea biscuits and lots of british stuff but i also love to draw for us. So we shouldnt read it we should embrace it or ive heard black british people doing such Creative Things with hyphens you know with black we often call ourselves black british british nigerian british command ive even heard someone refer to themselves as a free saxon which i thought ok i like their creative but theres always this question should we need to hyphenate you know weve spent all our lives in britain you were playing for england and i think if you ask a lot of english people what is the ultimate representation or symbol of english and many of them would point to the Football Team i mean certainly for me growing up that was an image of englishness and for me at the time in the england team was very white and england fans were very white and it was one of those things that made me feel excluded from the idea that i could be english and i think its no coincidence we often call ourselves british or black british if they were very rare to hear a person color say in describing themselves as english did you feel that this team has often represented quite a white idea of englishness was no longer going to be so much and because you are it and other but i am remember when youre playing football you know thats the beauty of football its kind of if youre talented youre in. And you dont think about you dont have to think about identity until you get a bit older and you realise if youre playing badly thats when media starts saying on nigerian born and they start becoming the other so when you do well youre britain where when you know youre the nigerian you love and theyre not doing so well youre kind of and thats the kind of dark side of sport and its not just exclusive to me its meant to in a measure ozo fastens famously stuck speaking about it you know. And he said when im winning world cup some german when we lose and we do very badly im turkish reading your book i felt there you really went on a journey where you started questioning things along the way but you were always very reserved in judgment and gave give people the benefit of the doubt. Way you describe things i think that speaks to my desperation in a way to just be accepted as being as footballers you just want to play football and that becomes a culture of just play football you know and so i used to dumb down my intelligence a lot and the questions that pop up obliged to ask are put the ball in the back of the net you know and it dates back to you know what i was saying earlier about just wanting to be one of the boys are you speak about it in your book you know at one point you wanted people to call you caroline a little bit like my middle name is caroline and i remember very clearly when i was 6 then i changed course in my 6 year old mind i said to my friends this is a chance for a new start i am no longer going to start again were going to keep it simple im carol i am you know i was literally trying to rebrand myself but why was that. I think that partly its an inherent issue if you dont look like either of your parents so my mother came to the tape from ghana when she was 12 and shes a black woman from majority Black Country and i dont think she had a particularly racialized identity as youll know if youre african from an african country race is not your primary identify its your region or your religion or your ethnic group were language everyones blacks not a thing and my father is why but i think as a small child you notice that you dont look like either of your parents and thats not necessarily a bad thing but it is just a thing and then in my case it was compounded by the fact that there werent any other people around the who looked like me and i remember told a story that parent when my sister was born shes 5 years younger than me the 1st thing i said when i saw her was like she looked like me. And that was the 1st on my parents realize that i wasnt expecting to ever see someone who was i thought that no one else did look like me because that was the environment i grew up in my father also has this immigration story his father was a jewish child refugee from germany but within a generation he dissimulated into britishness you know he married an english lady my grandmother i dont think anyone ever asked my father or their siblings his siblings growing up about you know his immigration status or what the impact of their immigration had been in britain or where he was really from but my mother because of my mothers heritage that people ask those very questions about me its that visible blackness that may soon really british you must have another story right and my logic was well if its because of my mother that people treat me differently then if i go to my mothers country then ill ill solve all my problems just go to garner and be going to n. And i live happily ever after and so it is a little bit of a shock to the system well the 1st thing that happened when i went and i thought i was going suddenly thin is that gun in school me which means white person in nigeria or you will i think all that you know that interior. And i was horrified i was saying they dont understand in britain they said im black. Now im hurt and i dont know me why thats not theres nothing you can do about that now ive spent lots more time in don i understand you know to a good man i represent. A european are bringing not even so much about my mixed race heritage its more about my social conditioning and i have to acknowledge that and also theres a level of color privilege that comes out of a history of colonialism that there is privilege that people of european heritage get in african countries so not to acknowledge that would be to benefit from that privilege without understanding what it means and the damage it still does but the other thing is that because in school i used to you know i went to predominantly white school and the girls that picked on me were actually black tobin and they used to say are you know african butu in the state make up my big lips and pull my hair in and one of them is mixed race for pretty girl i used to think you know sometimes used to think life would be so much easier for i was mixed i dont want to be that and i dont want to be that is want to be in the middle you know and so there is that there is that sense of you know colorism and and you know we have it in other races too is a big emphasis on the color you know the actual color and the shades and where that ranks and i think there is still often a tendency to if theres an Advertising Campaign use a mixed race model someone of jewel heritage with lighter skin and curly hair and it is almost the acceptable face the blackness but the 1st one to garner just going back to that story the other thing that happened to me was that i said to my mother. I was black and i remember exactly what i meant because the immigration officials obviously were black theres a framed photo of the president on the wall he was black the police were black the Army Officers were black the pilots were black and my mother also said that was the 1st time shed realized that i did not live in a world. Where black people wore suits were in power were at the top on the bottom and i hadnt i didnt know i was missing that until i saw it you dont even realize how much you internalize the idea of what power looks like its still on usual to see somebody who is black in a position of real power i mean look weve never had a black Prime Minister weve never had a black judge in the Supreme Court theres only one black person in the c. 100 as a c. E. O. There has been so little progress compared to what i think many people expected but. At you know this is theres all these buzzwords about Diversity Inclusion but do you feel like diversity and inclusion have just become that deliberate attempts to try and please rather than actually it changing what we see in terms of power i do worry about that when you have one or 2 black people or people of color in the room but that hasnt been the cultural change that allows their voices to really be heard or theyre in such minority or or not a position of enough power to really challenge the status quo then it doesnt change the outcome it doesnt change the culture doesnt change the Decision Making and then to add insult to injury that person to be wheeled out if something goes wrong having one person in the room who may be put appreciates that nuance is not enough you need to have what would you know then is is the way to change it i think we need to be more radical in our approach and often ive seen this generation who are absolutely no nonsense i have to say and a lot more unapologetic in their approach just. Taking a different route starting up their own organizations and their own movements and really creating that Critical Mass of this generation they hold internet press conferences not just you know theres a dozen of linage of social media and Global Networks to organize to mobilize and really create campaigns that make change and i for 1 am so impressed by that and energized by yeah i mean this time thank you renee lets find out what you guys yes any questions so my question relates to the. Men to the caribbean people that have been deported and denied citizenship despite having lived in britain all of their lives but also to the conservative cabinet and in particular to the ethnic minority members whove done absolutely nothing to help so i just want to know is there a case for arguing that racism. And systemic disadvantage cant be much dismantled without 1st addressing issues of class i agree i think classes is a separate conversation from race ive been in situations where ive been the 1st to do 2 to do it and that is pressure in itself but then you get the expectation of all well what about us is that will give me a chance to actually you know figure out how going to change this 1st so its not easy but the agenda should always be to think about how you can open the door for others that look like you i dont think the wind rushing could have happened to people who were not both black and working class you know there are middle class people who could have been affected but they had the ability to hire lawyers or get professional advice to prevent them from being deported and this was really systematically targeted people who were excluded from those systems of power because of race and class but i think that the last concern. The government was particularly hostile as weve seen read to me there is nothing more profound than rounding up and deporting british people if you have told me that would have happened 10 years ago i dont know that i would have believed it its dystopian but i also think that people we need to vote we need to vote if we all voted it would be a lot harder for politicians to get away with this kind of behavior because we dont hold them to account where an expendable community to them we also have to take responsibility as well i have a wide range of friends and you know when you ask them a why did you vote a certain way or because storms you said of bias. Well thats not thats not enough for you to like educate yourself understand how this is the effect if i vote this way you know because theres also pressure to vote how your parents your grandparents voted no so i also think that theres a lot of conditioning in ethnic minority communities where its like we have to think this way we all of the this way no were much more powerful than that both of you guys within your own record are considered to be

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