Have the whole media eyes neck it is definitely not something our new morning and Atlanta Police officers have been fired for using Excessive Force on protesters riot police surrounded a car with a couple inside if you watch this footage you can see the officer slashed their tires approached their windows and tase them and they did not appear to be resisting in any way then they were pulled from the car put on the ground and handcuffed. I think is Law Enforcement if we are ever going to get out of this base that we are in today we have to recognize that our behaviors cannot consistently be pardoned because we are Law Enforcement. These these are good guys i know them as individuals ive worked with one for over 20 years. But they made that level of mistake that cannot be rolled bath. Place minneapolis have arrested several people for curfew violations they nationwide and i started there and george floyd a black man died while being restrained by a white Police Officer more than 4000 people have been arrested across the country sense thursday john hendren has more. For the 1st 4 days the protesters really ruled the night took over this city there was burning and looting of numerous buildings and then you got a 1000 extra National Guard troops to come in last night on saturday overnight and what happened then is the police really shut the protest down at a certain point and enforced the curfew once again that curfew was largely holding you can see there are cars here and there a few people on the road and we saw hundreds of protesters violating the curfew early in the evening but let me just show you something richelle at the end of that road is a line of police as we drove up toward that line they raised their rifles at us and waved for us to turn and weve had that experience all through the night you can see over here again empty streets on this side but look at the end there. Thats a bridge in on that bridge is another line of officers and all those lights are a warning if you drive up toward them the 1st thing they do is they shoot rubber bullets and then there are tear gas grenades so weve seen really aggressive action by the police and i must say its been pretty effective weve gone from thousands of protesters and some burning and looting at the end of the night early on to far fewer but those protesters day they will stay here in the day until those all 4 of the officers who were involved in the arrest of mr floyd are charged with murder and who knows how long that could be or whether that could happen after the pandemic a record 33000. 00 new khurana buyer. Infections confirmed and one day in brazil thats now right to start half a 1000000 cases and it is not even pete really 29000 people have died the 4th highest death toll in the world president terrible scenario has worse resisted rather Strict Lockdown measures. People are protesting in hong kong theyre calling for independence from china after beijing announce sweeping new security laws that many consider will in the territories autonomy activists have gathered in shopping malls and elsewhere to demonstrate. International space station has received its 1st arrivals aboard a commercial capsule and with that the hatch is open to nasa astronauts and the space x. Dragon successfully docked after blasting off on saturday that started a new era for commercial spaceflight 9 years after nasa retired the Space Shuttle fleet the new arrivals were met by 2 russians and an american so the headlines keep it on aljazeera head to head is next. It may very well be one of the most Controversial Companies in our countrys history that what do you say is being called the largest private economy in the world youre in washington convicting 4 former blackwater security guards in the 2000 my guest tonight is the controversial founder and former c. E. O. Of Blackwater Erik prince you do it move the personal cue. Bill you dont disagree that branded a war profiteer and a super mercenary by his critics princes were made over a 1000000000. 00 out of the socalled war on terror that also highlighted the clear danger of using private contractors on the battlefield and yet now back on the scene trying to privatized the war in afghanistan but offering to replace u. S. And nato troops there with his own private Security Force but were handing the war to prince really helped end it im in the house and ive come here to the oxford union to go head to head with erik prince a former navy seal and the founder of but quarter ill challenge him on war crimes in iraq his plans for a private army in afghanistan and his loyal support for President Donald Trump. Tonight ill also be joined by sean a former private military contractor former officer in the u. S. Army and author of the book the new rules of war they had an Award Winning guardian journalist from iraq whos covered conflicts across the middle east and colonel tim collins a former commander in the british army and founder of new century a private military Consulting Company. Ladies and gentlemen please welcome erik prince. Prince is currently the deputy chairman the executive director from 2 Years Services group a Hong Kong Based security and the just. Erik prince thank you for joining me on head to head. Your back in the news with a new plan to privatize basically the u. S. Led war in afghanistan but you were the founder and c. E. O. Of blackwater perhaps the worlds most notorious private Security Firm which during the iraq war became a byword for violence corruption lawlessness and yet youve never apologize for any of. I think thats an unfair characterization of the company did exactly what the u. S. Government asked us to do which was to protect diplomats reconstruction officials visiting. Un or or other congressional delegations we did more than 100000 missions no one under our care was ever killed or injured and people try to characterize the company as overly aggressive less than one half of one percent of all those missions resulted in a discharge of a firearm in an era when you had lots of violence in the capital i mean baghdad really was the center of gravity of the insurgency and so we had you know 41 of our men were lost in action doing that mission so you mentioned that the u. S. Government asked you to do a job and you did it you mention that you lost a man on your watch but you didnt mention is that you also killed a lot of people. You say what percentage is great lets talk about individual cases in 2005 blackwater guards fired 70 rounds into an iraqi civilians call forcing the state department to investigate in 2006 according to leaked pentagon documents blackwater guards fired indiscriminately iraqi civilians killing among others and ambulance driver in 2007 blackwater guards shot and killed 14 iraqi civilians in whats been called the square massacre or baghdads bloody sunday that is the rec ord that a lot of people around the world remember when they hear the name blackwater sure and when you do 100000 missions its easy to take some things out of context but remember you had many thousands of insurgents actively trying to kill americans and not just american servicemen but the most newsworthy americans their diplomats and with the state department actually the people im mentioning werent insurgents you killed your men killed a mother and son on their way to an appointment of a sentence as i mean it kills a 9 year old boy sadly head sadly the insurgents dont wear uniforms they would drive ambulances filled with explosives they would drive so you remember those they were sure to get insurgents. A car bomb doesnt give you much time to decide there was no call bowman missile square in 2007 actually right. Before mr square event there was a lot i saw a square there was no color boom scuse me less than 5 minutes before that event happened there was a large car bomb that went off where there was a protective dream of ours protecting us the idea official and sadly that that car bomb went off the team decided to move through there and a support team went to block the Traffic Circle so that. The fleeing team could move through smoothly and not be ambushed when the when the intelligence provided by the state department or u. S. Government says be on the lookout for a white kiya in all the other cars in the Traffic Circle stop except for a white kiya sadly sometimes the guys have a split 2nd to make that its almost black what to say the white kids thought of as you well know because youve discussed this far more than i have all of the eyewitnesses say that there was no white kid heading towards you the us colonel who turned up on the day said that there was no enemy activity involved he said it was a criminal event and an excessive shooting a us court of law in december prosecuted one of your men for 1st degree murder for killing his mother and. 3 others to hold on let me finish 3 other men were prosecuted for manslaughter 4 of your men murder and manslaughter in the iraqi courts u. S. Courts thats right and they prosecuted them 4 times and they finally got a conviction the 1st time it was thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct guilty they found the guilty you know the 1st time it was thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct the 2nd time it was overturned the 3rd time it was a mistrial the federal government finally got them into d. C. Sir in a d. C. Jury on the 4th time that you see jury not a legitimate jury i would say a jury of your peers does not really compare to the rest of america no thats ok ok so some juries are legitimate some socalled judges that language before but they were prosecuted for murder amounts would you have any regrets for the people who died a 9 year old boy shot in the head was an insurgent of course we did of course we we hired as the company we hired the prosecutor that prosecuted saddam to go find each of these families to pay salacious to make amends as best as possible to reach out. To them did i personally yeah i havent no i havent found all of them but we certainly apologize to the ones ive had contact with and its not just these killings and the these killings that are documented it goes beyond just god as you know blackwater got billions of dollars in u. S. Government contracts and that billions more than a 1000000000. 00 in u. S. Government contracts to an area were over 12 years and yet a scathing u. S. State Department Investigation found that blackwater quote was over billing the state department and manipulating personal records its guards were partying drinking and even crashed an armored car and saw themselves as quote above the law pretty damning the u. S. State department saying this but the company theyve given contracts to over billing and manipulating we never paid any fines for anything like that and thats a fact you paid fines for a lot of things the only thing we paid a fine for it was a elation and i gave an example of the o. T. Said the only thing you paid a fine for you paid 7500000. 00 fine and 2012 to settle 17 criminal charges you paid a full 1000000. 00 settlement are a department in 2010 for illegal arms sales. 2012 it already sold the business i sold it in 2010 but the cases go back beyond 2010 the criminal charges raided all sorts of things that went back years including south sudan you broke u. S. Sanctions to try and sell weapons to south sudan knowing going to theres no weapons in south sudan there was a proposal on the mineral you never put a proposal on table to salvage his government 100000000. 00 actually the issue there was a Satellite Phone so you did put a proposal on the table to salvage his government no wonder what the state department complained about then that was back in 2005 was a my point is an actual a very dangerous Satellite Phone the same thing you can buy and he threw dutifully we can argue about the finds just deal with this report the Us State Department said you were manipulating personal records over billing the state department and your gods were partying drinking and even crashed an armored car it was a state department best occasion in 2007. Look we employed thousands of people and i would never say that the men were perfect we didnt employ angels we employed veterans who volunteered to serve their country again in a very dangerous place and like i said 41 of them paid the ultimate cost and hundreds more were seriously wounded its amazing that when you say we didnt employ angels we employed veterans but right now you want to do it all again thats the problem is it not. Well heres the thing after after 17 years of war ok where the United States is spending more than the entire you gave to budget Defense Budget just this year and still losing in afghanistan i think its time to look at a different way i want to talk about afghanistan but just before we get to your afghan plan i just want to get to what drives you when you kind of come up with these plans to do private security especially at these muslim majority countries because you yourself have referred to the people your men were fighting in iraq as barbarians who crawled out of the sewer you say in your memoir these were the chanting barbarians american troops have been sent to liberate sure if you people that think its ok to drive a car bomb into the middle of a square in the middle market place while to attempt to kill an american and in doing so they kill dozens and dozens of civilians absolutely thats barbaric which is true i think if youre a terrorist you call them whatever you want but you said these were the chanting barbarians american troops have been sent to liberate you werent sent to liberate terrorists sounds like talk about iraq yes. Sir look this very day was for you remember the decision the decision of. The u. S. Decision to go to. Liberate iraq from Saddam Hussein who did a lot more horrid things than we can even speak of here that was certainly the intent i certainly had no role in that policy decision ok but you dont you dont believe iraq is above areas of the snow but i believe that terrorists that car bombs in the city square certainly are ok youre proposing now to privatized the u. S. Led war in afghanistan you suggested replacing almost 50000. 00 nato troops and private contractors with 2000 u. S. Special operators. And 6000. 00 contractors and you want to cut spending there you think by 30000000000. 00 a year which sounds great and i think one thing we can definitely grown as we both think the afghan war is not going well it has been a bit of a failure but given 140000 nato troops couldnt control that country would defeat the taliban back in 2011 what on earth makes you think that a few 1000 contractors are going to do it now under your command because after 911 and we take you back in the 5 days after 911 happened when president bush had a war Cabinet Meeting up at camp david the pentagon the best thing that the most expensive military in the world came with was a missile and some bombing strikes and then a conventional invasion via pakistan the following april case literally while the headquarters of the pentagon is still smoldering the best the u. S. Military came with was the most conventional and most cumbersome approach it was the cia that said money authorities the right people who were going after the taliban and that worked ok less than 100 special operators cia case officers paramilitary guys in s. F. Guys backed by air power. And they smash the taliban and they are all peoples of them but thats fine you topple them you have control of the country because more than 6000 people sure wrecked but then the United States repeated the soviet battle plan so its not i believe in battle plan that 6000 people can do what 140000 couldnt sure im not an expert on math but that seems we did well heres the thing you have 15000. 00 u. S. Troops there now theres about 7000. 00 nato and another 30000. 00 contractors so im not advocating a privatization of advocating a rationalization at a significant cost savings the way the u. S. Has been deploying there they send a unit for 7 or 8 months they spend the 1st 2 or 3 months getting to know the area and then a couple of months theyre very productive in the last month theyre ready to pack up and they lift and shipped and they go home ok and then you rinse and repeat you do that again and weve done 30 plus rotations of troops like that you know and as you have no continuity instead i would take the same special forces veterans that have been working there from the u. S. From nato and the usa and not angels. These are the same people the u. S. Military and nato has been spending sending there for the last 17 years but the difference is as a contractor they can go and attach to the same unit and live in the same valley and live and work and train and fight with those guys with afghan counterparts month after month for years so they have that continuity is that 2nd resume the Afghan Government they dont like your plan they say its a nonstarter they said under no circumstances will we allow the war to become a quote private for profit business to form afghan President Hamid karzai said even when the opposes your proposal i think you would say differently if you asked him now i literally asked his office on friday and they said the dead against it. Live talk to other people ive talked to other people his office who disagree with. The Current Office and government heres a change their position is well. Under no circumstance i doubt very much that ashraf ghani will win in the next election but youre waiting for a change of president to get your plan. Heres the thing if they dont do a plan like this if there is not a skeletal structure support supporting the Afghan Forces the next president s going to wind up like knowledgeable the did. The problem is the way you pitched it is giving was helpful to tell the afghans were going to be quote the east India Company which violently ruled india on behalf of the British Empire in the 18th an