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ALJAZ Mandela And De Klerk July 12, 2024

Individuals have to act responsibly we need to social distance we need to wear for our face coverings if were in settings where we cant social distance particularly in these hot zones the centers for Disease Control has recommended the use of mass but not the demand required it because they dont want to send the president and that their president should be example you know real men wear a mask be an example to the country and wear the mask and its not about protecting yourself its about protecting others patty call him is just outside washington and says several states face tough decisions. Here in the United States weve seen a huge spike over the last 2 weeks more than 50 percent number of cases across the country were see that the most is in the west and the south these are states mostly led by republicans that really pushed to reopen the economy saying that that was what was important and what we saw then were just people flood into restaurants and bars and shops and many of them not worry math because in many of these states theyre not mandated to in fact in many of these states the governors have told local officials that theyre not allowed to make people wear masks so now were seeing this rapid increase although the Vice President. Vice president said that there is no correlation between the 2 Health Experts say of course there is and the situation in the u. S. For brazil is the worlds 2nd worst that country with more than 1300000 cases and over 57000 deaths a staggering 246000 infections were recorded in the last 7 days alone in response 1000 crosses have been placed in front of the Brazilian Congress to all nor those killed by covert 1000. 00 the display is also a protest against the president. Malawis new president has been sworn in kwaito want to use they spoke with 58 percent of the vote the election was a rerun of last years president ial ballots won by the then incumbent. That vote was marred by irregularities and the former leader supporters claim the same thing as happened this time around counting it is underway in local elections across france the 1st round of local elections was held in march but the 2nd part was the late due to the coronavirus Prime Minister eduardo has claimed victory in the battle to become mayor of the Northern City of laughter the election is seen by many as a test of president the final immigrants policies and there is concern turnout was low. Many people simply stayed away and they also stayed away from the 1st round of these elections which took place more than 3 months ago for the very same reasons because just a couple of days after the 1st round france went into lockdown so people already concerned by the Health Situation theres no doubt as well when you have to round so far away people simply also just lose interest they seem to lose the thread of whos running away and france of course is going into its traditional summer break but theres no doubt that its a cause for concern weve heard from the early say the president might call has said that he is concerned about the abstention rate because of course it is a worry when so many people in your country dont want to take pause in the democratic process and meanwhile in the polish elections that the president has won the most votes there but its not enough to prevent a runoff pole incumbent under a duda took just under 42 percent of the vote and will now face a 2nd poll in 2 weeks time against his main challenger warsaw mayor ruffle of checkups these are the top stories the news continues after face to face mandela and the clerk thanks for watching. At turn my heart for turns. But the states are suffering not that this very we. Are would also like to take this opportunity. To come right the late Michael Burgess a 3rd a lot of. Very 1st Earth Government that brought. The crowd to. Make. That turn around the room. And to enter our country and. Through the imposition of the system of about. December 1993 the pact. City home owners Nelson Mandela the hero of the antiapartheid struggle and frederick the clown the last white president of south africa ive years ago. People would have seriously question the sanity of anyone who would have predicted that mr madela and i would be joined in the severe of the by the by the bill. And yet both of us. Are before you today behind the code to choose the 2 leaders are at olds and the tension in the country is at its highest. Will with an eagle a potence. We disagree strongly all issues and we will soon fight the strenuous election plain against one of them. Standing in the cement the spro quest which will buy. All the 30000 people have died in Political Violence. Since the beginning of this year mandela and dick clarke partners as much as rivals 2 characters representing a cruising campus engaged in unwilling to move to solutions a political and personal june that was poised to put an end to one of the most racist when the plants. d 7 kilometers west of cape town Nelson Mandela was a prisoner for 18 years raised in a village in eastern south africa he founded the 1st black law from in the country appalled by the treatment of blacks and people of color he created the armed wing of the African National congress to fight against the Apartheid Regime that i many people feel that it is useless and for a future for us to continue talking peace and nonviolence against the government was a block is only a savage attacks. Under defenseless people. In 1962 mandela was arrested 2 years later he and his fellow accused were sentenced to life imprisonment for sabotage and conspiracy he was 46 years old. During his incarceration and social unrest spread and intensified among the black people who represented almost 3 quarters of the population in the state who responded with increasingly savage repression. In the 1980 s. The country was subjected to the iron fist leadership of peter both or head of the National Party regarded as a hard liner he was nonetheless aware that profound change was inevitable among his most influential ministers was frederick vellum declare an ambitious afrikaner who entered politics in 1971 f. W. As everyone called him came from an influential conservative family. One must remember that his father had been a very senior National Party politician it being president of the senate his uncle had been Prime Minister so he was deeply. Involved in the whole growth and development of the National Party mr declared it was perceived to be on the conservative side that he was predicting what group rights as it was called but i think to his credit one was always that he was never in favor of a Security Solution for the country never. In 71 i still embraced the concept of separateness which i believed idealistic could bring justice in the early eightys. I came to the conclusion and not only me many of my colleagues around me that the concept of separateness is just institutionalizing in justice that it was our own and that we had to abandon the concept of a part they separate us. In the early eightys Nelson Mandela returned to the mainland after 2 decades of brutal detention he was transferred to post more prison then in 1988 to more comfortable housing within the victor 1st of prison about 100 kilometers from cape town. For mandela was no ordinary prisoner convinced that negotiation could bring an end to apartheid he had begun secret meetings with government representatives notably we could see how the Justice Minister and neal barnard the head of the secret services. And so p. W. Identified a team of which i was there at the time they start in total secrecy negotiations with one below which in fact started in my 988. 00 until usually they met some got 50 times or 48. 00 times every week for hours on end and nobody not is almost the archetype of an african a nationalist mandela use that to get to know the minds of the africans the minds of the National Party and by the time he came out he knew more or less what they were what they were thinking what was possible what wasnt possible he knew more or less how to treat them. Both at home and abroad calls for mandelas release grew louder and gained more support for his party the a. N. C. Represented him as the symbol of the antiapartheid struggle. And early 1989 bhutto was weakened by a stroke shortly after a secret meeting with mandela he was forced to resign as party leader and later as president. I relented in august his former minister frederick de klerk age 53 took over as president of the country his priority to end the deadlock crippling south africa. On december 13th 1989 mandela left the victor vast the prison for a few hours he was secretly taken to the center of cape town to detain heis the president s office for the 1st time the black leader and white president found themselves face to face. I did not have. High expectations of a 1st meeting with mr mandela and when i did have my 1st meeting i did not try to achieve much for both the him and me that 1st meeting was to get an understanding of each other to get a feel for the person sitting across the table to start with mandela was much taller than he expected. And he was also very impressed by president of mr mandelas eristic radek bearing because we must remember that that mandela was actually raised to be the Prime Minister of the paramount chief of the 10 booze so you have natural a natural sense of authority very dignified a very charming after that 1st meeting there was the feeling that yes we can do business with each other so i did expect that he would be positive about the concept of negotiations but we both of voided talking about the real challenges and the real issues at that time it was a sizing up process and so that was the beginning of of a long and sometimes very very rocky relationship. On february the 2nd 1990 the eyes of 37000000. 00 South Africans were turned towards cape town for the opening of parliament didnt declare was about to pronounce his 1st general policy speech many were hoping he would commit the country to a new direction. It is time for us to break out of the cycle of violence and to break through to peace and reconciliation the steps that have been decided on the following the prohibition of the African National congress the pan african as congress the south African Communist Party in a number of subsidiary organizations is being nice and people serving prison sentences merely because they were members of one of these organizations will be identified and released i think the clark when he took over as president in 1009. I was faced with a choice he knew that the countrys economy was in really deep trouble he knew we were almost facing a civil war inside the country and here suddenly the thing landed on his lap was he going to do more about it more oppression more police more military and destroy the economy get into a civil war or was he going to be the sturrock a figure that ended the war and i think the berlin wall helped him a lot because it was a strong argument to use to say we had to fight against the a. N. C. Because they were communists but no communism is dead sanaa we can talk to them which made their message easier to accept by the white people however what is very crucial to make the point that this change. The clear speech was not simply the result of a free condom nationalism of his party and of the clerk suddenly becoming good guys and through the good heart the siding there must be a change it was the pressure from the struggle i wish to put it plainly that the government has taken a Firm Decision to release mr mandela unconditionally im serious im serious about being this matter to finality without dealing the speech i made on the 2nd of february 9090 contained a package of measures of which the release not only of Nelson Mandela but also of all Political Prisoners was just a part i listed the state of emergency. I tried in that speech to do it that is each and every excuse in the sea could offer not to come to the negotiation table and during that period we were the only communicators and town and they had all of the t. V. Cameras they needed to use. How and when to release the iconic mandela this was the subject of the 2nd confrontation between the 2 men one week later at the president s office. I announced to him that he would be released on the 11th of february and the 1st reaction was its too soon and i said why is it too soon he said we need more time to prepare insisted that this process cannot work without me i am the key to this thing so when you want to release me you release me at a time that suits me and my family because i have to manage the a. N. C. And it was one of the things of me will you are my prisoner you will do as i say and i said to him mr mandela you and i will negotiate about many things but you been in jail long enough you will be released on the 11th of february let us discuss what time of the day and from where you will be in east. On february 11th 1990 at 5 oclock in the oftener there was great excitement at the victor fest a prison everyone had been waiting for several hours to see Nelson Mandela released arm in arm with his wife when. After 27 years in jail a free 71 year old man returned to his home in so wet oh determined to win freedom for his people. After 4 decades of conflict the adversaries met over 3 days and put ischia on official building in cape time in may 990 the jailer and his former prisoner walked side by side presenting a cordyline image there are bound to be difficulties but there is cautious optimism as well as faith and conviction that problems will be solved by negotiation. And i trust that these discussions will be another milestone on the road to a new and you just saw that i think it was. Overwhelmingly framed. It was like people who came together for the 1st time we didnt know each other but who wanted to meet each other. That was a that was a wonderful experience and was about the fact that. We suddenly realized on both sides that we had to work out jointly and collectively. A way forward and the doctor sponsible of the rest of us nobody else could take that as far as. You can imagine. With the background of the participants 2 sides that has been fighting each other. For the year were. Suddenly being. Of course theres a measure of mistrust. We do know al qaida still. We didnt know. But the point is we had to agree theres only one way to discover. That is to me. Is striking feature. Of the discussions. Which we have head. During the last 3 days. Has been the at cordiality. We have had. Discussions on sensitive not. In a spirit of conciliation and understanding. Despite the signature of a Peace Agreement 4 months later the relationship between de klerk and monday ella was tainted by violence around the often lethal conflict had broken out in various regions of south africa particularly in causing confrontations erupted to between a. N. C. Supporters from the closer ethnic group and supporters of the i f p the in qatar Freedom Party made up of zulus and led by monks who to buthelezi. Not just that is the places they are. Not in the leaders the people who can only shoot at the beginning of a real discount. More people got killed in south africa between 10091904 than were killed by a part of forces in the entire history of a part it. There was a natural competition between the i have p. And the n c u d f but it was aided and abetted by the former military and Police People called it the force. The 2 big black groupings fighting and a 3rd force egging them on and fomenting more violence leading police teats and intelligence chiefs including military intelligence were working with elements of the put to lazy party and the soft course was how mundane the came to use that label and to the end and to accuse the clerk of the statistics. Word law. And National Party has got that dab agenda for the negotiations process on the one hand a talk about reform and change. That they still want to hold on to you can nominate and but it got power he said you see you dont care about the live lives of blacks that tell us you have allowed that situation to develop and this is why these things have happened even of that we have given you our commitment even when we have in no way committed had to discipline our people you behaved in this way because you dont care about black life i think the accusation that i didnt do enough was unfair and that was not based in fact from the moment that i started to have a suspicion and also in conjunction with all the allegations they were making i appointed judit to judicial commissions of inquiry. The one commission of inquiry came up and opened up a can of worms to show that yes there were elements in the Security Forces against my orders against the policy ive laid down who continued with politically this had the underground activities that resulted in the dismissal all the time and of a big number of very Senior Officers the credit card the difficulty he had to walk a tightrope he couldnt just walk into the military compensate well go give up your arms the n. C. Is taken over he had to take yet to move very carefully with the police and with the military. And he did it slowly and and Nelson Mandela has indicated that he understood that so there was a game that mandela would put pressure on him. To disband and to end this that for violence and that that would defend. As the 2 leaders exchanged accusations about the causes of the violence talks continue and a conference was soon organized could desa the convention for the democratic south africa to discuss the countrys future institutions 300 delegates took part the a. N. C. And their allies demanded a majority electoral system where blacks would be dominant in the government declared can

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