Transcripts For ALJAZ The Stream 2020 Ep 135 20240712 : vima

Ivory coast his rival parties to nominate that president ial candidates. Octobers election is likely to be a major test for the Country Security who will face the people in a run for the highest office ivory coast president ial candidates on aljazeera. I am for me ok youre watching the stream home edition can we chat well apparently not for very much longer in the United States the hugely popular chinese car. Has been deemed a National Security threat alongside to talk we will pass whats behind president chants and in todays show and if you want you to be part of the conversation as well put your comments in the comments and you too could be in the city. And looking forward to hearing these case i will say hello to the guest the guests were introduced themselves to you and can tell everybody here hi my name is ken one low and im a reporter for the South China Morning Post im based in hong kong and i cover Chinese Foreign policy and china u. S. Relations im also host for the f. M. P. Podcast inside china which runs on chinas hot topics every week good to have you welcome back to the screen remind i guess and our audience who you are going to judge. On that china researcher for Human Rights Watch i write and Research Department rights issues in china im based in new york good to have you and i know times what does our audience need to know about you. My name is times writer and lawyer based in virginia and im working on a series of lawsuits against each other on behalf of us we chat users get to have a nice to see you or if you guess if youre a new chief you can jump into the conversation right away but lets start 1st of all with we chat what it does when people say we are some of our Online Community to explain it and this is what they told us peoples life in china is controlled by we chat thats like the singles you more important communication tools they have even played games so if you want to his message down or know anything about them you have to get on the chair now the reason why i use wheelchair and probably also the same reason as to what i use the most for is to really keep in touch with my family in china it is the most popular social media app and the easiest way to stay connected with them since facebook and instagram are there and in china i use it for work or to a group chat will miss out on important. Or. I use many shops and the we chat while its a chance for money or just shop is one of the few our better model in both china and the u. S. And we essentially use this app to butte our own Chinese Community in the u. S. Or all around the world thats a pretty comprehensive description of for me china is how people use it for disclosure i guess hands up who has we chat on one of the. The lawyer hes prosecution does not reach out on his word all right that makes sense. No surprise maybe you know something the 2 other guests do not know killing 1st of all the impact. In the us. To be to explain so so u. S. President dont trump who launched an executive order on august the 6th saying that we hear our core from the executive or the collects data that threatens. Acts that frighten to allow the Chinese Communist party to access to americans personal and proprietary information and you ask government also quote it that we chat launches this Information Campaign and censor is content on the platform and therefore there is the band that trump announced and. As to how exactly trump is going to ban the app from operating in the u. S. For example sloshy i know in the executive order it was worth it rather fake that any transactions that is related to reach at any personal and property that is within the u. S. Jurisdiction also with the Mother Company if we had had such a bad and a period of 45. 00 days is given until the order comes into effect that will be september 20th. You have on you know why do you use it. When you can no longer have it all yourself. Well i have 2 calls so as we check her out and doesnt because i dont know we chat in terms of security but i have to use we chat because thats part of my job and also my entire family are in china i have to. Whats going on the news from weights kind of because i research in a humorous issue so people post about you know when they see and when we hear it which we got to the Chinese Governments. Nations on the other hand as i said in my family is in china so i contact my family and friends to reach out but as i said you know i dont trust its security so i have a message for we would do you know what exactly do you not trust about security archie. First of all its well known that it will check censors also which is Something Else so i dont know to what extent that we can extract information from my phone just by virtually having the app on my phone so i want to make sure that we chat is nice of him before the rest of. It since i do with my phone. Times come into the conversation here i want to share this with you on you tube as well shaquille says trump just wants to highlight the media against china in order to persuade the americans to vote for him is this a political move or is this something nefarious about what we charge if its an app on your times. So i think the real problem is not we chad or any particular app its a great firewall makes. An issue and its in fact the one the one way nature of the great firewall so information can obviously exit china propaganda information friendly to the Chinese Government. But even if were sitting here in the u. S. Using we chat and we want to discuss topics that are critical of the Chinese Government sitting here in region near new york d. C. We would be unable to do that overreach and so to me you know this is why i wrote the piece in the Washington Post that i think targeting is. Misses the the Bigger Picture. And the recently couldnt discuss what if we want to know what we chant is because the app has a sense only so if there are words that might pop up in an algorithm for instance those words can be sense and you can send a message to your friends and yeah those protests in hong kong whats happening about them he said pictures he said if nation that message maybe not at the get your friend your friend will never know that that message just been censored or interrupted in any way a killing tell us a little bit more about that. Apart from weve had basically all our chinese social media platforms and including websites that allowed and the chinese internet are subjected to a strict law by the Chinese Government that essentially censors out all things or content that are deemed politically sensitive or deemed as accusations or criticisms against the Central Government on its end to that so i believe this is part of the Bigger Picture of what we shipped back to 2. You know i have to share this with you because you have which are on your phone so leslie is watching right now hi there leslie i love your comment wow we chat sounds amazing just so much it always feels like it can totally run your life from your phone so if shacked banned from the u. S. What do people who use it in the u. S. Walk today use. Wow its very interesting because you know i work with human rights activists and lawyers writers in china a lot of them cant use weights yet why because in order to have a recheck hans you have to register your id in august and the governor has to joy about it and those people you know at the government and government has been you know harassing and censoring them so even trying to get out we checked because the governors are one of them. So you know they have you know developed their or find or trying to. Get each other in to also check with me signal is not banned in china so you can right now is to use it and the people who are students were having a v. P. N. Its curse its had it but you can still do it this has been cruel and by many people who dont have weights in it we dont lose weight because the government doesnt like or because they want to speak freely and without the surveillance. So it just isnt like yes you can show that there are workarounds his is present trump in august in a press conference where the press is talking about this thing does a lot of stuff are you not concerned that it will impact americans who are using it and he says how he reacted is take a listen. Theres a lot of. Companies by. All or theres news theyre worried because its such a big arm you know arm in china that if you. U. S. Businesses were going to sell you know why. Or. Why if there were. Security. Weve probably been very very let down by the journal which. Times what do you make of that we actually research up it was basically at what ever. Was a problem with the idea and which you know could only really be done by you know prohibiting americans from using we chat is that it would almost certainly be you know by a lation of the 1st that the. You know people you know the 1st amendment protects the right to speak in favor of the Chinese Government if you want and there are i know that there are already. Lawyers here in the Chinese Community who are planning to sue the administration. Over over the bed and you know as much as i have misgivings about i think we have a very strong argument that anything it would be unconstitutional. That were getting a sense from from the you coming through here that day is a back and forth about china and what china does and what america does th i. C. C. Thank you feel for your thoughts which china did the same thing to other Foreign Companies so it is fair if the us to bank chinese apps can enjoy room without one. I think an important context and understanding cats rise to popularity inside of china and also among chinese. Overseas is that the Chinese Government in the past few years has essentially banned most of western developed social media platforms including face spoke. And therefore as mentioned by some of the into freeways at the beginning of the shelf this has become the only channel or one of the few channels that has allowed Chinese People within the country and those who have business in china or those families in china to stay in touch and basically that that is an important context that we should keep in mind. Actually we playing this comment from the sexiest state of the us might pump truth out why he feels we chat should not be available in the us civil list we want to see untrusted chinese apps removed from us abstainers President Trump has mentioned impending action on tech talk and for good reason with Parent Companies based in china apps like to talk we chat and others are significant threats to person that of american citizens not to mention tools for c. C. P. Content censorship. Go ahead im not with disregard i mean the 1st amendment concern is we spent arising from banning i kind of her you know pos concern in terms of security but of course i mean you know the timing susan has other are cheerier political motives in terms of for you know taking on we tend to talk about in terms of surveillance and censorship its you know. I would say not a lot of chinese immigrants particularly 1st generation twentys immigrants in the us they are often exclusively using weights at talk to each other even though leaving the u. S. Some of them are u. S. Citizens so to a large extent you know what they say in the u. S. What. Youre transparent it to the Chinese Government i mean you know what the Chinese Companies can do and utilize export about kind of. You know. For their own purposes this is a concern of these you know true. So im still. Yeah youre going to times piece. I wholeheartedly share the security concern as we chat and the one way nature of the great firewall which frankly i think is more accurately described as a great reality distortion filter. Are real threats are real threats to Democratic Values and to National Security even are real especially because i think the effect of this kind of silo information ecosystem is to make support for the conus party as support for authoritarianism generally are higher than it otherwise would be but you know we we live in an open society we live in a society that has the 1st amendment and there are costs to sticking with those principles and one of them is that we need to find other ways of dealing with threats than just burning them and in a forthcoming piece and or a policy my coauthor and i are the Washington Post piece will be laying out a series of. Policies that we think are more constitutionally sound and more will be strategically more effective than in a simple. Oh lets just drop in here to you cheap again this is septimius i septimus thanks for your comment the us is in decline it is scared of chinas tech more Technological Progress it is food actually trying to ban all chinese tech because it wants to keep its premises killing. So i have been covering on china u. S. Relations and the tension between us and china has gone way beyond just us spending the 2 apps some researchers call it an all front tension where u. S. And china have clashes over human rights issues and military issues in conflict areas such as the sub china sea and also on trade and we are seeing this ban on we chat and tech talk actually which has come in the pairing accepted of order. On august the 6th where when the band on which was launched they spends on chinese mobile apps sometimes esteemed as a new front in the us china trade war where in the past 2 years we have seen the 2 countries raising on for example chip making technology and also 5 g. Networks to follow meant and these all fall into a Bigger Picture of deteriorating relations so the c. E. O. s office if they show perhaps is addressing to this big attention that we are seeing around the world and only this week Chinas Ministry of Foreign Affairs spoke about the coming to talk. And this is how they target released it so lets. Move. Some u. S. Politicians made a murderous attack on chinese like to talk and in Chinese Companies like. The root cause is that they harbor hostility towards anything related to china and are attempting to impose ideological labels on Chinese Companies. These people are hunting to talk and other Chinese Companies under the guise of National Security and are full of lies and slander which are in essence bullying who me. So the times we see it as it is is a larger issue between the u. S. And china in terms of nations but if we focus back in on absolute. And the return on athens is he not doing pretty much the same thing that any app that weve got not that does and is a whole list of things that we are going to do this this is the say yes yes yes except havent even read the super 8 and its doing all sorts of things and maybe selling your data etc etc its we chat just not the chinese version Everything Else that we use all different apps from around the world anyway. Well the key there is that. The at the root cause of in response to the comments from the gentleman that you just quoted the root cause is really the party state in china that is the root cause of these tensions because you know with facebook yes you know we give up a lot of our data to Companies Like Facebook Google and apple but here you know theres a open societies theres a firewall between the state and society and so we have a 4th amendment other countries have similar laws and you know there is a barrier between what the government can do with respect to private companies but in the communist party system in the party there is no barrier so that is what makes. 10 cents we chat to talk different. You want to shake next reaction you know were getting a go ahead i think its of course equivalence and yes of facebook no class our data but the cracker went out of mostly they want to make money they want to sell at a table cause so death is different so in terms of how you know reach out. You know by extension chess government. The purpose of the i mean you know what people chinese users use way chat and what they say even credit check groups have you know then there are them into being so yeah these are critical of the Chinese Government so i think i mean its a force you can influence in terms of are. Different companies are they are correct that that theres a difference between facebook which thats. Looking at the Bigger Picture we have cindy you and shes a brick comes and to the spectator she spoke to us a little bit earlier about the strain of the listen. Were trying to buy and take talk and we chat trump is ramping up the tech the company from China Companies either in the firing line are no longer Telecom Giants which may have a close relation to the state and also Infrastructure Sector is now the social Media Companies so what does this mean for the future bust them freedom when it comes to Technology Well it takes them was that close its china by banning apps and it also released chinese entrepreneurs to wonder even if that they have an actual relationship to the Country Security<\/a> who will face the people in a run for the highest office ivory coast president ial candidates on aljazeera. I am for me ok youre watching the stream home edition can we chat well apparently not for very much longer in the United States<\/a> the hugely popular chinese car. Has been deemed a National Security<\/a> threat alongside to talk we will pass whats behind president chants and in todays show and if you want you to be part of the conversation as well put your comments in the comments and you too could be in the city. And looking forward to hearing these case i will say hello to the guest the guests were introduced themselves to you and can tell everybody here hi my name is ken one low and im a reporter for the South China Morning Post<\/a> im based in hong kong and i cover Chinese Foreign<\/a> policy and china u. S. Relations im also host for the f. M. P. Podcast inside china which runs on chinas hot topics every week good to have you welcome back to the screen remind i guess and our audience who you are going to judge. On that china researcher for Human Rights Watch<\/a> i write and Research Department<\/a> rights issues in china im based in new york good to have you and i know times what does our audience need to know about you. My name is times writer and lawyer based in virginia and im working on a series of lawsuits against each other on behalf of us we chat users get to have a nice to see you or if you guess if youre a new chief you can jump into the conversation right away but lets start 1st of all with we chat what it does when people say we are some of our Online Community<\/a> to explain it and this is what they told us peoples life in china is controlled by we chat thats like the singles you more important communication tools they have even played games so if you want to his message down or know anything about them you have to get on the chair now the reason why i use wheelchair and probably also the same reason as to what i use the most for is to really keep in touch with my family in china it is the most popular social media app and the easiest way to stay connected with them since facebook and instagram are there and in china i use it for work or to a group chat will miss out on important. Or. I use many shops and the we chat while its a chance for money or just shop is one of the few our better model in both china and the u. S. And we essentially use this app to butte our own Chinese Community<\/a> in the u. S. Or all around the world thats a pretty comprehensive description of for me china is how people use it for disclosure i guess hands up who has we chat on one of the. The lawyer hes prosecution does not reach out on his word all right that makes sense. No surprise maybe you know something the 2 other guests do not know killing 1st of all the impact. In the us. To be to explain so so u. S. President dont trump who launched an executive order on august the 6th saying that we hear our core from the executive or the collects data that threatens. Acts that frighten to allow the Chinese Communist<\/a> party to access to americans personal and proprietary information and you ask government also quote it that we chat launches this Information Campaign<\/a> and censor is content on the platform and therefore there is the band that trump announced and. As to how exactly trump is going to ban the app from operating in the u. S. For example sloshy i know in the executive order it was worth it rather fake that any transactions that is related to reach at any personal and property that is within the u. S. Jurisdiction also with the Mother Company<\/a> if we had had such a bad and a period of 45. 00 days is given until the order comes into effect that will be september 20th. You have on you know why do you use it. When you can no longer have it all yourself. Well i have 2 calls so as we check her out and doesnt because i dont know we chat in terms of security but i have to use we chat because thats part of my job and also my entire family are in china i have to. Whats going on the news from weights kind of because i research in a humorous issue so people post about you know when they see and when we hear it which we got to the Chinese Government<\/a>s. Nations on the other hand as i said in my family is in china so i contact my family and friends to reach out but as i said you know i dont trust its security so i have a message for we would do you know what exactly do you not trust about security archie. First of all its well known that it will check censors also which is Something Else<\/a> so i dont know to what extent that we can extract information from my phone just by virtually having the app on my phone so i want to make sure that we chat is nice of him before the rest of. It since i do with my phone. Times come into the conversation here i want to share this with you on you tube as well shaquille says trump just wants to highlight the media against china in order to persuade the americans to vote for him is this a political move or is this something nefarious about what we charge if its an app on your times. So i think the real problem is not we chad or any particular app its a great firewall makes. An issue and its in fact the one the one way nature of the great firewall so information can obviously exit china propaganda information friendly to the Chinese Government<\/a>. But even if were sitting here in the u. S. Using we chat and we want to discuss topics that are critical of the Chinese Government<\/a> sitting here in region near new york d. C. We would be unable to do that overreach and so to me you know this is why i wrote the piece in the Washington Post<\/a> that i think targeting is. Misses the the Bigger Picture<\/a>. And the recently couldnt discuss what if we want to know what we chant is because the app has a sense only so if there are words that might pop up in an algorithm for instance those words can be sense and you can send a message to your friends and yeah those protests in hong kong whats happening about them he said pictures he said if nation that message maybe not at the get your friend your friend will never know that that message just been censored or interrupted in any way a killing tell us a little bit more about that. Apart from weve had basically all our chinese social media platforms and including websites that allowed and the chinese internet are subjected to a strict law by the Chinese Government<\/a> that essentially censors out all things or content that are deemed politically sensitive or deemed as accusations or criticisms against the Central Government<\/a> on its end to that so i believe this is part of the Bigger Picture<\/a> of what we shipped back to 2. You know i have to share this with you because you have which are on your phone so leslie is watching right now hi there leslie i love your comment wow we chat sounds amazing just so much it always feels like it can totally run your life from your phone so if shacked banned from the u. S. What do people who use it in the u. S. Walk today use. Wow its very interesting because you know i work with human rights activists and lawyers writers in china a lot of them cant use weights yet why because in order to have a recheck hans you have to register your id in august and the governor has to joy about it and those people you know at the government and government has been you know harassing and censoring them so even trying to get out we checked because the governors are one of them. So you know they have you know developed their or find or trying to. Get each other in to also check with me signal is not banned in china so you can right now is to use it and the people who are students were having a v. P. N. Its curse its had it but you can still do it this has been cruel and by many people who dont have weights in it we dont lose weight because the government doesnt like or because they want to speak freely and without the surveillance. So it just isnt like yes you can show that there are workarounds his is present trump in august in a press conference where the press is talking about this thing does a lot of stuff are you not concerned that it will impact americans who are using it and he says how he reacted is take a listen. Theres a lot of. Companies by. All or theres news theyre worried because its such a big arm you know arm in china that if you. U. S. Businesses were going to sell you know why. Or. Why if there were. Security. Weve probably been very very let down by the journal which. Times what do you make of that we actually research up it was basically at what ever. Was a problem with the idea and which you know could only really be done by you know prohibiting americans from using we chat is that it would almost certainly be you know by a lation of the 1st that the. You know people you know the 1st amendment protects the right to speak in favor of the Chinese Government<\/a> if you want and there are i know that there are already. Lawyers here in the Chinese Community<\/a> who are planning to sue the administration. Over over the bed and you know as much as i have misgivings about i think we have a very strong argument that anything it would be unconstitutional. That were getting a sense from from the you coming through here that day is a back and forth about china and what china does and what america does th i. C. C. Thank you feel for your thoughts which china did the same thing to other Foreign Companies<\/a> so it is fair if the us to bank chinese apps can enjoy room without one. I think an important context and understanding cats rise to popularity inside of china and also among chinese. Overseas is that the Chinese Government<\/a> in the past few years has essentially banned most of western developed social media platforms including face spoke. And therefore as mentioned by some of the into freeways at the beginning of the shelf this has become the only channel or one of the few channels that has allowed Chinese People<\/a> within the country and those who have business in china or those families in china to stay in touch and basically that that is an important context that we should keep in mind. Actually we playing this comment from the sexiest state of the us might pump truth out why he feels we chat should not be available in the us civil list we want to see untrusted chinese apps removed from us abstainers President Trump<\/a> has mentioned impending action on tech talk and for good reason with Parent Companies<\/a> based in china apps like to talk we chat and others are significant threats to person that of american citizens not to mention tools for c. C. P. Content censorship. Go ahead im not with disregard i mean the 1st amendment concern is we spent arising from banning i kind of her you know pos concern in terms of security but of course i mean you know the timing susan has other are cheerier political motives in terms of for you know taking on we tend to talk about in terms of surveillance and censorship its you know. I would say not a lot of chinese immigrants particularly 1st generation twentys immigrants in the us they are often exclusively using weights at talk to each other even though leaving the u. S. Some of them are u. S. Citizens so to a large extent you know what they say in the u. S. What. Youre transparent it to the Chinese Government<\/a> i mean you know what the Chinese Companies<\/a> can do and utilize export about kind of. You know. For their own purposes this is a concern of these you know true. So im still. Yeah youre going to times piece. I wholeheartedly share the security concern as we chat and the one way nature of the great firewall which frankly i think is more accurately described as a great reality distortion filter. Are real threats are real threats to Democratic Values<\/a> and to National Security<\/a> even are real especially because i think the effect of this kind of silo information ecosystem is to make support for the conus party as support for authoritarianism generally are higher than it otherwise would be but you know we we live in an open society we live in a society that has the 1st amendment and there are costs to sticking with those principles and one of them is that we need to find other ways of dealing with threats than just burning them and in a forthcoming piece and or a policy my coauthor and i are the Washington Post<\/a> piece will be laying out a series of. Policies that we think are more constitutionally sound and more will be strategically more effective than in a simple. Oh lets just drop in here to you cheap again this is septimius i septimus thanks for your comment the us is in decline it is scared of chinas tech more Technological Progress<\/a> it is food actually trying to ban all chinese tech because it wants to keep its premises killing. So i have been covering on china u. S. Relations and the tension between us and china has gone way beyond just us spending the 2 apps some researchers call it an all front tension where u. S. And china have clashes over human rights issues and military issues in conflict areas such as the sub china sea and also on trade and we are seeing this ban on we chat and tech talk actually which has come in the pairing accepted of order. On august the 6th where when the band on which was launched they spends on chinese mobile apps sometimes esteemed as a new front in the us china trade war where in the past 2 years we have seen the 2 countries raising on for example chip making technology and also 5 g. Networks to follow meant and these all fall into a Bigger Picture<\/a> of deteriorating relations so the c. E. O. s office if they show perhaps is addressing to this big attention that we are seeing around the world and only this week Chinas Ministry<\/a> of Foreign Affairs<\/a> spoke about the coming to talk. And this is how they target released it so lets. Move. Some u. S. Politicians made a murderous attack on chinese like to talk and in Chinese Companies<\/a> like. The root cause is that they harbor hostility towards anything related to china and are attempting to impose ideological labels on Chinese Companies<\/a>. These people are hunting to talk and other Chinese Companies<\/a> under the guise of National Security<\/a> and are full of lies and slander which are in essence bullying who me. So the times we see it as it is is a larger issue between the u. S. And china in terms of nations but if we focus back in on absolute. And the return on athens is he not doing pretty much the same thing that any app that weve got not that does and is a whole list of things that we are going to do this this is the say yes yes yes except havent even read the super 8 and its doing all sorts of things and maybe selling your data etc etc its we chat just not the chinese version Everything Else<\/a> that we use all different apps from around the world anyway. Well the key there is that. The at the root cause of in response to the comments from the gentleman that you just quoted the root cause is really the party state in china that is the root cause of these tensions because you know with facebook yes you know we give up a lot of our data to Companies Like<\/a> Facebook Google<\/a> and apple but here you know theres a open societies theres a firewall between the state and society and so we have a 4th amendment other countries have similar laws and you know there is a barrier between what the government can do with respect to private companies but in the communist party system in the party there is no barrier so that is what makes. 10 cents we chat to talk different. You want to shake next reaction you know were getting a go ahead i think its of course equivalence and yes of facebook no class our data but the cracker went out of mostly they want to make money they want to sell at a table cause so death is different so in terms of how you know reach out. You know by extension chess government. The purpose of the i mean you know what people chinese users use way chat and what they say even credit check groups have you know then there are them into being so yeah these are critical of the Chinese Government<\/a> so i think i mean its a force you can influence in terms of are. Different companies are they are correct that that theres a difference between facebook which thats. Looking at the Bigger Picture<\/a> we have cindy you and shes a brick comes and to the spectator she spoke to us a little bit earlier about the strain of the listen. Were trying to buy and take talk and we chat trump is ramping up the tech the company from China Companies<\/a> either in the firing line are no longer Telecom Giants<\/a> which may have a close relation to the state and also Infrastructure Sector<\/a> is now the social Media Companies<\/a> so what does this mean for the future bust them freedom when it comes to Technology Well<\/a> it takes them was that close its china by banning apps and it also released chinese entrepreneurs to wonder even if that they have an actual relationship to the Chinese State<\/a> what is official for them in the west killing was such an interesting point if you are devising making apps and youre thinking about this is the app basically very cool for people to use people already remarked on how comprehensive is in what it can do. Entrepreneurs from pushing the envelope to actually doing some amazing technological work. I think its a very interesting point to note because the current us china relations which resulted in bands like like this on we chat is actually raising a lot of uncertainties for not only App Developers<\/a> but also for tech Companies Like<\/a> Big Multinational Companies<\/a> for example which which has been which basically the Industry Experts<\/a> have been raising the possibility of this week had than potentially harming their business because apple is a u. S. Company but relies a lot on chinese production line inside Mainland China<\/a> and also has a lot of chinese uses of i phones and so the subtlety of what such tension between us china on tech and on mobile apps will bring to us companies as one ferry concern and questions for these companies and also as you set for. This and so its and t. Following President Trump<\/a>s. Basically targeting chinese and chinese. Telecoms giants gif them and such as to what audience they should talk on and how big their business or infest men should go. Questions and concerns all. Let me just some of them up when china bans u. S. Apps like facebook its not a problem when the u. S. Spends chinese ones its a problem i suspect that is coming from the american contingent on you chief thank you for those thoughts. Well i think i china its a government advance of facebook yes a problem you know as a writer our own human rights issues have been criticizing that for sure but that doesnt the Chinese Government<\/a> to ban facebook and other international i phones doesnt necessarily mean that you know its ok for the u. S. Government to ban saying because you know this time says nation that took the 1st amendment concerns there are saleem said that the u. S. Should uphold or regarding this you know the you know the costs. Just very briefly times sometimes what President Trump<\/a> says doesnt actually happen but do you expect we chat and to talk to be backed to be gone out of u. S. Apps available if u. S. Apps bison. I dot 1st of all it means that executive order itself says that its you know there is going to be more details forthcoming. And i think you know there will be. Depending on what those details are its almost certainly going to be challenged. In court and also you know the practical reality is that you know people already have had other fonts you know you dont have the ballot and from the app store you know there are other ways to get it. So its not going to result. In the situation like in china technically theres just theres no way to to achieve if i may go id like to tile there right at the end of the show so im going to leave you with and you have the last word tines king link thank you so much for talking about the upcoming week your time in the United States<\/a> is going to. Thank you chief. Russia now seems to be going off to the main Economic Resource<\/a> which does of course oil we bring you the stories in development is that a rapidly changing the world we live in a president s promise america 1st policy triggered a trade war that morphed into a technological war counting the cost on aljazeera rewind returns with a new cd release and brand new updates on the past about to see this documentary this i would compare it to a onion we have in the onion the fleetest bar the heart of the food the company through the wall to remind continues with cambodia is often in business. This is actually totally crazy scene and just allowed us to pick up 4 kids from his infinite they now con out and we could just drive off with them. On aljazeera. d some of your victims would show. Others what made it by you is there no one did and incapacitate. And a 1st for new zealand the white supremacist who shot 51 muslim worship is dead is given a life sentence without parole. 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