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Thank you we know whats happening i really dont really know how to get that they feel that others cannot i was just thrown. Back to put them on their best fires and then im going im going to give you. The way you think you kaldis story is what can make a difference hi im Steve Clemons and i have a question does morality matter anymore did it matter ever in american politics lets get to the bottom line. Since election day a few weeks ago Many American politicians have been talking about the need for the nation to heal but the rift between people inside america is really deep and theres frustration on both sides of that divide those who voted for donald trump and everything he stands for are wondering who is going to stand up for them now and millions of voters on the democratic side feel their hopes and aspirations put me to ask as well trump once told writer bob woodward that he wanted to bring out the reagan people who are americans doomed to be motivated and divided by fear and anger and is there a way to really heal the nation today we speak with one of the most unique voices in American Public life reverend William Barber the 2nd is the cochair of the Poor Peoples Campaign a National Call for moral revival a social Justice Movement that mobilizes the poor to be agents of social change reverend barber its great to be with you today what im hoping to get at in that important work that you are doing is the question of what that Common Ground could be as you think about healing the breach and addressing at the same time many of the core problems of the nation what does that agenda look like. Well steve 1st off thank you so much and what is so interesting about that question that you just raised is that we actually have answered this asses that of ancient as our bible asses that are as old as our constitution and our deepest religious values but the problem is one of the 1st problem is we began all of our conversations i think we have to miss ologist that constantly keep us in our division maybe even 3 in light of what you just quoted from char one is the miss ology that there is some grand place behind us behind us where everybody was unified it is interesting to me that the constitution began with a confession that the reason we are writing the constitution is to move towards a more Perfect Union which is an admittance that we were not perfect behind us it cause us to look forward and to look back what only to do as one of our great him says to me and every flaws. But instead sometimes in politics we start 1st talking about how to get back to these glorious days of american exceptionalism and i think that is that. The 2nd mythology that i think is this notion of language of left versus right and now we say left right and centrist often wonder where does that language come from that i know historically comes from the french revolution those on the left or against the monarchy those on the right were for the monarchy i guess those in the center were for a mixture but were not in the french revolution and to automatically try to put people in these false categories left and right and center actually i think creates division but also minute. Doesnt allow us to say some things are not left versus right there right versus wrong and if we look at out deep is moral and constitutional foundations we have to be able to say some things are wrong are unconstitutional are morally. Unacceptable and economically insane and a constitutional it out of line we have to be able to do that otherwise we end up giving equal more status the 3rd thing a thing in the midst d of a trump ism that we have to deal with is the danger of putting all of the problems was saying that on him he is a big cause but he had a lot of an able as and just like you said in your opening when he said he wanted to bring out the rage hes not even quoting himself hes quoting pat buchanan d and Kevin Phillips and the people who or what Richard Nixon in the 1960 s. To develop a strategy called positive polarization that is that has been that was designed to split the country for political power and its been used by republicans from reagan to to to to nixon to. Even george bush is used it and many of the politicians in the south so we have to have some honest conversation 1st if were going to have serious healing thats a script in the bible that says only the truth will set you free and weve got some truth telling that must be done in america so that we can at least have honest conversation about what healing these to take place like you do president elect biden is not talking about left and right hes not talking about division hes talking about this is the time to come together but i think you and i both know there are a lot of americans that are not hearing those words in the same yanked him right he says hes right when he says its time to heal and its admirable that he would raise that in that way. I would caution a little bit i know he says that people are not our enemies they are americans. But the awesome people who are the adversaries of poor and low wealth people and black people and moving forward in this country if they had not ever says their policy is a certain adversarial to justice d and to what we are called to be. Deepest constitutional that is and d if their policy is adversarial than the question is are they adversarial or just a pos knock it i understand what hes saying in the sense that you dont just have to go around saying that evolution and nobody can work with and theyre beyond change even though we have to be realistic there are some people that are totally committed we know what happened for instance when obama ran for office and while there were people totally committed weve watch what has happened in this senate over just not this truck but with the senate that totally committed to it in an adversarial way to being fat when it comes to Supreme Court justices we look at a Mitch Mcconnell he has refused to fix the Voting Rights act for over 7 years thats an add politically adversarial position hes refused to even let living wages come to the floor even though we have 62000000 americans working for less than a living wage and i would say and as i have talked to people from appalachia to alabama they see that as an adversarial position and they see it as a problem that the people are in fact not acting like quote unquote americans when it comes to the least of these and as dr king once said they give d socialism to the wealthy and then give rugged individualists to the poor and the least of these and we have to recognize that politics is about fighting for things it is about recognizing that i dont believe this disown cost center as you point out also say that to the. The president because there are some trying to say what you need to be essential what is a senate how do you pick up people what is the center of a stab this in just if you get half the thing what is dissent providing for the common defense you give half the people common defense or promoting the general welfare so you get half the people the d promotion of general welfare in a sense thats what we have now and it leans more toward the greedy take francis to 1st cares act 84 d percent of that money went to corporations and bank it did not go to the people and the essential workers and those who voted and forced that are adversarial now i wouldnt call it an evil and i would say theyre beyond transformation im a preacher i wouldnt say that they that there is a possibility but right now we know that they have in tranche. Added to say to war those who are being hurt the most before cove it after cove so what i would say to president elect is you promised some things when you ran and you promised to fight for some people and we have seen what. Evil Public Policy can do over the last 4 years and how committed some people like trump mcconnell are they will do whatever they can with power people need to see what good people would do with power what good policy looks like you said that you wanted 15. 00 an hour if you do that that will heal the nation because theres no scaling of the soul of the nation that doesnt heal a body of the nation you said you would expand health care we need to fight for that the 1st 5000. 00 days 1st 50 you said that you would make sure essential workers had the sick leave an unemployment and and the rent forgiveness and mortgage forgive that they must see a president now that will fight for that you said you would deal with systemic racism in terms of Voting Rights and Police Reform that needs to have. When in the 1st 5200. 00 days people need to see now that there will be a true fighting for all americans if you we are our people you said immigration for reform was necessary we would stop caging and losing children we would properly address native americans and make sure that they have what has been promised to them as the original people you must do that and i think the president last night must go into the places where people have been sown lied to that they think a democratic president and Vice President are gets to go to the south go to appalachia let them know that the current policies we have now are costing us a trillion dollars out of a loss because of Child Poverty 2. 00 trillion dollars in and lost wages because of wage gap did ter flip it over and showed him if we expand health care how many people will be helped black Brown Indigenous white how many people will be lifted if we pass living wages of every race creed color and just geography it let the American People know what the cost of inequality is as Joseph Stiglitz says what is it costing us and if people steal their body the body of the nation heal then the soul of the nation will be heal but it cant just be rhetoric and it cant just be some serial kind of coming together that does not have a fleshy reality that does not have an embodiment of the stab this man of justice. Powerful my question is a lot of americans who voted for joe biden were voting against donald trump and they were voting for what they saw as a return to normal and i know that normality is not something you think we can go back to but id like to hear for those people who do have that as their motivator in this moment. What cuts you think have to be made what divisions have to be made to wake those folks up so i think jesus is pretty clear. On the human condition and jesus was saying of his own ministry you know oftentimes people present jesus as just being a nice guy who just love people and i know he was killed because he threaten the empire because his love and the kind of love connected to justice that lifted the poor the least of these all of those that have been rejected by roman polish truck to those of cicero called the tricks of the city. Jesus wasnt around them jesus said to caesars youre not jesus said to the empire it is wrong d to have also a few people with wealth and the rest living in desperation what jesus called the pope cos and greek those whove been made poor economic exploitation he said the nations would be judged by treat the least of these and that created division thats what jesus meant is that that the gospel of the truth. Creates division and what he meant by that is there has to be a division from jews and so when people say for instance in america that we dont have the resources but when code began we saw 2 and 3 trillion dollars immediately given to corporations while people who are on the front lines still have not got what they need Desert Division we can accept that there has to be a cutting asunder of that and exposing it for what it is every senator and Congress Person they get Free Health Care they get the best health care we have to call that out how can you get the best Free Health Care what a public option paid for by the people thats what i mean by public option and then you dont want joe constituents is to have the same thing truth and lies cannot exist together ok and be ok and thats what jesus was saying that that times that has to be a division and a true for the matter is we just cant do an election what is an election about it is a division of the asians one peep Group Present step in for the country another Group Presents definition and then the people decide that i do think a lot of people voted against it but thats not a small thing that is major support reject trump ism and to reject all of it is cut necked to the extreme ism and the division that has that gone on because copyright created himself he is an american and he was created out of the american reality at least part of it and part of that america. The reality has been an american reality it is always trying to go back to division and trying to live and that division them believing that that is the way to have power and as i said he spoke to an audience not that he created but it had been created for some 50 years before he ever ran for office so so division is a part of our reality even in the health we used and when i was in the country my grandmother used to have something called lansing a boil it spitting a bore so the plots could come out in order for healing to take place and in the real sense we have to do that because in addition to the people that voted against which is huge we now know from early returns to 55 percent of people making less than 60000. 00 a year poor low wealth people voted against. It last time brought poor low well people voted against drop the volume what this have because some 34000000 poor lower people didnt vote a 6000000 more voted this time than voted last time and they didnt vote for normal they didnt vote just to go back to precode it because precode it was 140000000 poor low well people in this country voted 3 percent of the nation 66000000 white people 26000000 black people 61 percent of all d black people precode it was 87000000 people without health care or under insured precode it was 62000000 people working for less than a living wage precode it was 4000000. 00 people getting up every morning look at bat and let it pass and came back and let it water creek over it was 0. 54 of every discretionary dollar going to the war economy and less than 0. 16 of every discretion ed dollar going toward Health Care Infrastructure in education creek cove it actually. Preconditioned us. In some ways to be more be harmed by the pandemic most most Public Health officials will tell you that in addition to the turbulent almost criminal like in f. Response to the pandemic of the trumpet ministration in addition to that it was the finishes of poverty and systemic racism that has given the opening for this pandemic to be even worse than it could have been the majority of the people that are dying seem that close here are poor and low wealth people the majority the people being hurt up poor and low wealth people who did not have the wages prior to cope and the health care trying to cope and the sickly and unemployed prior to cope so large numbers of people if they voted against front they also were not voting to stay where we are i believe and a lot of people are also a lot of a what voting for us not to return to normal because normal was not good nor he was not good moment to paint gives us another chance d to address what the bad normal was so that hopefully we can move to some new possibilities in this nation why has the Republican Party been able to have such almost a monopoly on evangelical christians as a long conversation as the. Trace any given his active highlight exactly brit we cant these are not new struggles you know we started out in this country saying women couldnt vote white men who didnt have man couldnt vote black people couldnt vote black people with 3 fifths of a person and a native americans could be exterminated all of those evils people found the ways to mis interpret and engage in theological malpractise to support what they were doing you know out and tell people that economics used to not be. A space branch of thinking unto itself it was a part of moral philoso