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Were all the media goals. We go there and we give them a time to tell their story. The hey, walk into stream. Im josh rushing money in your pocket. No strings attached. Sounds too good to be true, right . But supporters of universal basic income say providing unconditional payments to citizens would help with millions out of poverty and that uncertainty over the future jobs. So today were looking at initiatives have been trials around the world. We want to ask a basic Income Programs. Well, if theyre ready for a larger audience, the joining us today from new york is guy standing. Hes cold president of the basic Income Earth Network and the author of the pro, carry at the new dangerous class. Same. So because the documentary filmmaker whos film free money examines the impact of a basic Income Program on people that rule, kenya, hes and i, robi, and eleanor o done have been as an artist receiving funds through ireland recently launch basic income for the arts initiative. Shes on iceland, east coast, and a well more see if its a stable that you, if youre watching this on youtube, get me your questions through that box over there. We got live producer waiting to get your questions to me so i can get them to the people on the panel and you know, we can do this thing together, right . So joining me on this. All right, hey guy, i want to begin with you to the new book, the precarious. What is the pro carry it . Tell us about this dangers class . Well i actually, my new book is about how to pay for the base of getting some, but the area has gone into for additions, and its been translated into 24 languages. And basically the precarious is the big mass class of the well today. And it consists of millions of millions of people who are facing chronic instability in their lives on the stable label though, and bought a tile incomes and a chronic gate. And that one mistake one acts isnt well then the illness and theyre out homeless or they think that so that people facing extreme precariousness and then losing the rights of citizenship and losing social rights that losing cultural rights. But losing because no make rights. Im fundamentally, the most important thing for this conversation is that they feel like salt pick ups. A big deal is this. They have to us the fables from landlords from employers, from relatives or bureaucrats, dealing with them on this. This is a terrible existence show way of living in which millions of people are getting very angry. The less and you k to listen to the voice is a popular stick stream is like donald trump. The more progressive educating group are looking for a new politics on these people, a girl into basic income. And its a very Important Development because we now have a mass plus, which is really in favor of basic income and the opinion potable over the world showing well, okay, eleanor, so youre an artist, youre at a you can explain it better than me, but an art uh, retreat or something right there and in iceland, but before that you were in ireland and were you able to, i guess produce art of the same way that you do now before you were chosen for the i trial there. Yeah, so this month i am on an Artist Residency and i sent, but i do live in ireland and before iowa is randomly selected to be a participant in the base can come to the arts and ireland i was working part time to be able to support myself to be for my rent and then also to support myself as an artist in the studio. And so getting the basic income is like winning the loss, right . You know its, its usually transformed it all ready for my, our practice. And just for my general life and sense of, of being i think, yeah, but im looking at you in that art studio and im just thinking like, this seems good for humanity that you can actually dedicate more time in your life to something creative than just trying to survive and a capitalist economy it has it been rest your life and that way . Yeah, absolutely. I mean, i love what i do and i was always grateful to be able to do it. Even if i could only have spent 2 or 3 days a week, do i guess. But what this means is that i can kind of relax a bit. And i guess something that is quite relevant to being an artist is that you need time to spend in the studio and just and thinking it to kind of not necessarily be productive or to do stuff that doesnt necessarily look productive and having to basically comp, just means that i have this luxury day of time where i can sort of relax and think more about what im making. So it has really just been phenomenal. Yeah. It, it just speaks to humanity. The sense that we can be more than cods in the machine thats design purely to make profits. So co whos with us is a film director. He has this movie called free money. I want to share a clip with you, but he follows a number of people in a kenyan, a real Canyon Village could go computer. Is that right . And you followed him for how long . Several, for 5 years, for the trial. Is that right . My . Yep. My co director and i lauren, um full of them for 5 years. Yeah. Fantastic. Awesome. Lets watch this clip together. The so it strikes me there so that this is so powerful in their life that they, they attributed to, to god, god has seen those in buses. But really its, its more just a matter of Economic Policy. Its a matter of people getting together within the society or an economy and saying, hey, we could approach this a little differently, right . I think it speaks to the depth of poverty and the depth in which luck takes you to the turning into space is like religion and all this other faces because the level of declaration and i think the idea and in this case that come with the following the funding in this village that the concept of implementation of a u. B, i was to uplift people from extreme poverty. I think its just kind of levels where you, you just need, might need to do, you know, basic to do basic things. You know, food and shelter come with a indication to things that can do shouldnt be a no brainer in terms of if you think about existing as humanity. However, a lot of good people are put in a space where these are not the systems that exist instructors that exist not beneficial that are not helpful. I think because those structures, theyre not helpful to their lives. The idea of them getting a consistent income every single month is a total game changer. A got k, you said the book about how to pay for it. Yeah. Tell us where does all the money come from . He was the meanest. Im asking you this guy as well a my, my feeling is that we can pay for a basic income of a modest amount quite easily. If you think about governments time, the billions in the case of rich countries, billions of dollars or whatever it is in subsidies, but mainly go to rich people, tax breaks and so on. My own countries, i have a 400000000000 pounds a year. If you pay the everybody above his basic income, youll be much less than that. But im also advocating e co fiscal policies of levies on people who take from the commons. Not include having a carbon levy. We need a call for larry, but they can only have a common levy if we recycle the income gain from the comp and levy because otherwise its regressive. In other words, it increases any quality, but we need a common tax. We need a high common tax because weve got to come down on fossil fuels and Greenhouse Gas emissions. We cant go on as weve been doing. So i dont think the affordability is really critical on the ive, ive outlined various ways you can pay for it. And the important thing from our conversation is that to get governments to move in the direction of having a decent basic income for every party. Pilots and ive been involved in 6 or 7 pilots altogether ponder, show the net cost is much less than the gross cost. What that means is that because it improves peoples health, for example, as its places less stress on the health services. It reduces the cost of providing Public Health services. So governments gain by saving money the same with education, it improves educational attendance, educational performance, and therefore makes it a better investment. So you really shouldnt look at the back of the envelope calculation. You should look at what other net pretends and the dynamics of a, a, moving towards a basic income as we have a new welfare system. So can you want to jump in the i yeah, i think the idea of where the basic and come works and not is in many ways irrelevant because it, it kind of comes from, they can that he story. This could be need to be thinking of where as a society like we have a, i hate for poor people and it was due for like the idea of that to people need to lead better lives. Theyll have the ability to the better life because its very complicated that the issue of time that is something that kind of like things that have to be talked about, things like, even with the giving of basic income. It is not exactly a Silver Bullet because unless you have Better Health care and thats you have the best education and this you have all these amenities that are available, free and capable of helping people and making life, you know, ok for people to exist and then we, we kind of end up just going round and round in circles discussing whether its ok to people to add a 2nd level of income to support their basic existence. Thats kind of a sad reality, i think. And, and check capitalism and the pilots, youre talking about guy. These are experiments that have happened all over the world. No ones really taking this on as a, as a permanent Economic Policy in illinois. You right now, are they, i dont want to called a lab indicate but youre part of the experiment. And im curious, how did a measure in your life the impact that has had on you . Yeah, absolutely. Um, just to touch back on was and the others are saying that the forward dependency of that. I mean, this is a playlist and our end of 2000 people were getting paid and 17 grand a year for 3 years. I think it work cited by 25000000 a year, which is really just a drop in the us. And in terms of, you know, ireland sports as a bush. The benefits are just astronomical. I mean, like how the records the impacts of the basic income and the survey. And it has only been 6 months since we have only had to do the survey once the last few questions about you know, how much time have you been able to spend making, how much time as youd be able to spend researching opportunities. But they also ask you questions like, how much sleep to get to night . Like per nice, how many areas to use benz caring after children or like else we relatives or you know, etc. So they really do take into account and the, the welding of the people who are receiving this piece of income. And its something that was, you know, it didnt just come at a know where it was advocated for. Theres the National Campaign for the arts and art and which are really pushing for this basic income trial. And i mean, i should point out that its not a universal piece of income. Its really just a very, very small sector of people working in ireland. A bus, you know, focusing as well, an artist productivity, and they are, but the, i think its probably the most productive way of looking at because youre not alone here. Eleanor in our youtube audience, richard for a says that hes on the same you b, i program the year on release. He thinks he is and he says he knows other artist and that program and they feel so supported guy i. I see that you want to jump in and im, im, im thinking about ellen or getting more sleep at night and wondering whos profiting off of her sleep. So well, this full, i mean we, we now have an enormous amount of evidence because there are been over a 150. 00 pilots and experiments. The may is scheme and in the United States is a really exciting initiative. 50 may is assigned up to do basic income to experiments. Weve done a huge basic income pilot in india with thousands of people would give them a basic income and we evaluated it by comparison with people, some of the people who werent receiving it. And we found improvements in nutrition improvements in Health Improvements in Health Care Improvements in work. One of the biggest issues that keeps coming up is this claim that if you had a basic income, it would reduce peoples work. But i want, i want the listeners to listen very carefully to what i have to say in the next couple of seconds. Basic income results in an increase in work this and more productive activities in work and more collaborative, uncooperative forms of what the evidence is overwhelming. And its very important that we scorch that. But somehow if you have basic security, youre going to become indolent on the country. You feel more energized, you feel more confident . Do you feel more like taking entrepreneurial risks in your domain of life and you can what care is what it just isnt . County does work in all statistics but this particular and its, its a feminist issue. It increases the amount of time that people can put into care for their loved ones that commute that it just sounds almost 2 years. Itd be true. It sounds too good to be true. So but listen, you mentioned that this does happen in america. I want to bring in one clip and well come back to you to your guy. But this clip is from a, a p, and its looking stockton, california, where the mayor brought it brought a new kind of experiment there, there checked us out. Im surprised about how many people are struggling. These are people with good jobs, Small Business owners, teachers, retired people, Union Members who are struggling, who are working hard, doing over and live on top of their jobs. Not seeing their kids. Nothing. Heather, how that money gets me on that peace of mind. And right now my car i got in a car accident and my car. I told them. So i didnt have no car payments and now i have a car payment and that money. I know its not gonna be forever, but puts me a foot in the door to get a car and also to get the payments paid until the money runs out or so. So much as it seems to be about like our perception of something. And so im going back to you here where it, its like in capitalism, we blame the poor. And thats a part of the game. Its a part of the system that we need to blame the poor. How do you, how do you get over that mindset . How do you get people over that mindset . I can, its a sample sound, but you know, i think it, it, it, it, them, in, in, not only speaking about experiments of thinking about whats happening and watching the stories of, of the people who have gone through them. But at the same time and like makes payment that we look for knowing that been challenges and intended consequences. What in a society based on the fact that the recipients and their experiences are the money, then intended consequences were in, in things like say, the sources of the money. So it kind of came, come through a dont system and kind of like its, its based on the, the past experiences that a lot of people have had in the continent when we dont have funding and, and the, the, the lack of sustainability with that kind of system, it means that its, its not sustainable, its implementation and its based like kenya, because you have to involve governments and this money has to be involved in together and kind of like collectively in the level and how the money kind of comes through to the people and at the same time, it can be implemented in black ones, but then you dont have connected to another spot because you only have to start creating class class struck to that 11950. 00. So in, in, in the ad, unintended consequences in implementation of the experiment. And thats why we should stop experimenting and implementing programs. It should just in pre med program because like guy said, as we have open override with experiments, i think were done with experimenting. Why the hell are we still experimenting . What are we experimenting for . Its a perception issue at this point, rather than i think so as a system it gives you may know particularly it is political now me, josh. I think we have enough evidence from around a well different types of countries. We can afford it because we can afford all sorts of schemes us as we saw it during the cobit pandemic. When government sudden they were able to flush put money into companies and then the 0 Interest Rates and the schemes, billions of dollars and the earliest we spent that know suddenly that they have that money. Its not a question and not being able to afford it. We have to be fiscally responsible, but its a folder. I think we h