Ready bombardment and gaza in peace. Time cutting off supplies of food, water, medicine, electricity, and fuel would be a disaster in a time of war for a besieged enclave with thousands killed and injured in relentless attacks. Its a catastrophe. There are other cats thats my medical personnel rescue. Cruise and civilians continue. While israel blocks desperately need to minutes every night, for most palestinians, the u. N. Is a lifeline. The main source of supplies and the International Witness to the suffering you and stuff with being killed and his right the attacks and you and schools, im clinics have been bombed. But in new york, the Security Council has failed to buy motions that could have facilitated humanitarian relief. So what kind of the you and do to help us to use . What challenges does the global body face in this will . Were discussing all of this in a moment with a panel of gas, but 1st, depending on the products in in june list honey, im a shape tells us what life is like in gaza today. Im going mass bombardment, or better known by experts as carpet bombing has turn major parts of the gaza strip into a pile of rubble. In a statement made by the ministry of health, the ears tribes have all the claim, the life over 30073478, palestinian life. 70 percent of those who have been killed by the air strikes are children and women. There are also 12000 palestinians who have been critically injured with the number with number trapping under the rubble they expected numbers of palestinian victims is expected to rise to 6000, making it a closer to the victims of the 3rd panica massacre complete siege on the gauze as trim with serious short ease of, of a fuel and, and, and medical supplies has pushed hospitals and medical centers on the brink of collapse. We have hospital. So fox that are running out of services, adding only pressures to other hospitals who have, who are really running beyond their capacity. So lets bring you know, a panel of guests to discuss all of this in geneva location computer. A professor at the university of manchester in the u. K. In a former un humanitarian coordinator in alexandria in the us state of virginia is reset when they are the head of the palestine and israel program. Of the arabs sent to washington d. C. And in london we have chris gunner as hes a former un relief and works agency spokes person, but he doesnt work for them anymore. Hes speaking to us in an independent capacity. Let me start with you, chris, because weve already had full goals. It was before and you were speaking on behalf of the you and from jerusalem about the situation in gaza. When you see what has happened, this time to fight the death toll as far as exceeded the death toll in 2014. Are you surprised in any way how bad things are . Im not surprised because the blockade has continued by. Im surprised by the sheer loss of life. And the last, oh, im looking for um, what time period is the un will be allowed to take trucks in the sol. This conflict was taking in 5 hundreds of trucks a day. So you know, the 1100000 people didnt go to all dependent on the so im getting 500 trucks the day. Thats going to be a c spot that i already 13 underwood because have been killed already. Searching schools have been a hit. Now we have the latest report from rough talk a 1000000 people in the schools, the health clinic, so been huge as well. So we need a prophecy. So we need to look at the um, the buildings on the house. The 11th smooth distribution center, across the cost of that, going to get a huge amount of boot bobas to be those warehouses that may be structural damage up to this intense is ready. But lets go to the a c spot so that people can come and collect the food. So a massive logistical, i like to say political operation in order to get this, the spot going. So a huge amount of, well i believe, a ro, 13000 of my former colleagues, all that has stood by the people of god in the most desperate of need and the law schools, they will continue to do that. But make no mistake. It is, oh its nice fun actually all set that put out a slash appeal for a 100000000. 00 volts out of those to be met because weve got to get food. We go to get to the bottom of fuel. Israels not yet said it was the last few of it. Well, this move to getting water. I mean go to the pumping station, but the sort of nation problem got to work. So we need security. We need a huge amount of trucks. 5, hundreds of days to go through rock or rather was bottomed recently. Its a very small one road in one direction, one right in the other. So there was a huge amount of books by narrow to the unrest logistical to get the, the crossings functional. And also secuity doesnt go to be a c spot, so that is massive. Humanitarian need can be met with cache. We know that as being well going on, trying to arrange some sort of a going into goes up for well over a week now. And finally, present bite and it seems got some progress. But as chris said, you know, hundreds of trucks before the war use go into gaza. And initially the deal is just for 20 trucks. You are a former humanitarian coordinator for the un, and resident coordinator when saddam, how on earth, if you were in the job now in in casa, how on earth would you prioritize what to send . If youve only got 20 trucks . Well i think they play the truck so i hope i just the symbolic to test to the uh, the, the, the, the route and the to bit of confidence. And i hope uh, from frontier to go to 2000 or even even more. Uh, having said that, the uh, i think that it has to be private position. Obviously food and walter healthcare dominates uh as a elsewhere. But at the same time as the thing just being said, it does not do it just to sending the relief drugs that has to be a, you know, piece enough cruise so that people can get it and can actually benefit from it. And so the idea that you can tell you on fighting, and then the try to me to get some of the suffering by sending in a few trucks a here in the, on the hoping that people will, but somehow get some really, is i think a very flawed prospect, and in fact i can imagine some of the students that go get logistic issues helping, i mean with costing lives if there is to be conflicting, but for a relief provision underneath uptake. But of course, the ongoing, the bombing and use of what were hearing though from these really minute traits is yes and thats on yahoo is letting some aid in. But theres no suggestion that the stopping the military operation, the bombardment has been continuing, including around rafa in, in recent hours. And theres no suggestion that theyre not going to go to the next stage, the ground defensive. Thats unfortunately absolutely correct. Um, the level of our effect violence that we are seeing unleashed now on gods everything that were hearing from folks on the ground for, by the way, have lived through far too many wars are saying that this is worse than anything that theyve ever experienced in terms of the, the share level of destruction and cost to human life. Of course, you manage hearing aid is important. The aid workers who are working on the ground despite this, are doing heroic things. But the reality is that you mandatory and 8 is not going to do a whole lot for people who dont live to receive it. Even the little of that does trickle in. Uh and so a um you know, uh, an urgent push needs to be made in this moment to bring a stop to the bombing for an immediate cease fire. Not just so that the conditions can exist to allow humanitarian aid to come in. But because the most urgent concern now is saving lives that do not need to be lost. And we have seen far too many of them lost already. If i can come back to chris and they will just be searching. Yeah. If i may, i mean palestinians do not want to be on a they want to live decent independence. But so really what is just being said of calls. All these things must happen. But we need to make sure that ultimately the lord have is listed. So that the cost of conversation is about well speak, allow them to goss of bread. Right. And then what well do is we need to look at whats coming out of gaza. Prostate is all to put in the real bit educated that most of the people go off, it could be the single polls ultimately, if it was allowed to be so, as well as a discussion about Lexington Food and other materials in that has to be full. So it was the same time, some kind of discussion about who is allow. Garza is a huge the productive ceasar and see if there was advert told to produce the government industry visit to the industry to express all sorts of stuff and all of the cost to be put back on its feet. That must be a pro conversation about who is let out and thats very important, even at this stage, this conversation should stuff. If i can stay with you, chris, for a moment, you can help all of us just a little bit more detail on, you know, the geography. Know the logistics, you know, the roof of Border Crossing. Just tell us a little bit more about the roof of Border Crossing and outreach, which is the add ports about 45 kilometers away. What apparently does now that they go to a great deal if you monetary assistance has been floating and i told them estimated 3000 tons. Is that um, how difficult would it be getting that in through the choke point of roughly and then distribution is . Well, ive been through the rest, the cool thing with this and to, to use it happens on this mission many years ago. And its a single lane road in one direction, at least that used to be cutting out in a single lane and going off getting into the gulf. I think its going by this rate is. So its very, very rapidly has got to be repetitive, other reduce me a by and you can get from out of reach to, to wrap a very, very quickly. But tell us the subject when we have some these ratings many years ago, the security narrative. But if we let stuff in with that stuff out, its going to be less than simple, but your opinion on how those bills. The carol shalom crossing point is a huge industrial scale troubleshooting the point of a. So you get to the point of the pool with dozens of legs of trucks and contain delores, that was built in a way which was apparently seen to israel legitimate security comes to us now the stakes. Its email, but the very purpose of current law was precisely what were discussing now. And that is to get in the industrial scale levels of products. So the 1 point, one more 1000000 people can have the food in the midst of the fuel. The cool thing is this is the site you need. So yes, it is the only game in town. Sure. It has to be used to go other resubmit by. Things can be real to ultimately the world creates is this thing called a cash loan crossing point. It should be opened up immediately because only carol, she will cut us off in its present pull will allowing the house loves assistance and other materials that will need to use if and when it comes to the things that are needed. The needs of the, of the people, the desperate needs. So the people of garza, chris just mentioned few tell us how important fuel is. I mean, full full pumping water dissemination plants, but probably most importantly for the hospitals in garza. Yeah its, its hard for people to really wrap their heads around. What life in gaza is like, the lack of electricity has been, um, uh, you know, a constant condition in the gaza strip. Now for years it has increasingly gone, gotten worse over time at particularly since the israelis bond garzas only power plant in 2006, its never really been able to recover. And the presence of electricity sometimes can be a few hours a day, sometimes can be um, not at all and in many places in the gaza strip. That is the case. Now of course, so fuel has become really a backup option for creating electricity through generators, which so many different homes institutions and, and um, you know, and implants require to be able to function whether it comes to water. Do you sell a nation or, you know, keeping the lights and the machines on and hospital boards that are trying to desperately save the lives of people who have been, who have been brutally injured in, in these attacks. And i, and i do want to just add one thing here in relation to the conversation about the, the crossings and roughly, and so on. You know, a lot here depends on the United States as ability to get the, as rarely use to allow this to happen. And one episode that i think was missed by a lot of folks as the other day, the United States secretary of state anthony blinking was meeting with these rarely Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu for 8 hours. During this time, the United States was telling its citizens in the gaza strip to head to the roof by crossing so that they could be able to exit safely. And it was due during this time. While the secretary of state was meeting with the israeli Prime Minister and telling his citizens to go to rough, i because it was safe that the israelis bomb the rough crossing again. And so i think a major issue here is that the, the only player that really has leverage and the ability to restrain the as rarely as is unable to even do so for the protection of its own citizens. Even when its secretary of state is sitting next to the israeli Prime Minister. And i think that should send a great degree of concern to all of us about uh, how much leverage there is uh over um israel in this moment as it is denying access to humanitarian age everybody there. And also, of course, reading bombs down on the population will cache as a full most senior humanitarian official. Even if you get a teen, is it, is it good enough if you dont have a c spa to deliver that 8 . I think its extremely difficult. I think that the issue uh, you know, how many tendency and this change in the old days, the window goals. You agree to a pause in the war and then use of like 8 and then the went back to finding. Now were expecting humanitarians to actually supply aid in the middle of the fighting for hospitals to function, even at the bottom the raining or on new. I think this is not a tenable situation. In fact, it probably most people have in place. It reeks, not just a book zullie, lose their lives, but also people coming to that. So i, im, im really not sure what to focus on a getting in is really that important. But to actually what we need to be doing, but just drive it was the skin just touched ation because its a little if we want to increase the amount of weight going in through the, through the border with the road to bed and so on. It is going to be ma, do you know, to survive the chances of the people . So either the people have to get out, or they have to come to a se so longer, it can supply them safely. So i have to worry that part of the discussion about to manage a note is almost to use you by any, during the aid of an alibi or not being able to do the other things. I dont think dimension has to be on the political side as much as on the 8 side. Okay. Because let me pick up that point about a possible c spa or humanitarian pause, because its something that the un Security Council had before them 2 different resolutions of russian resolution. That didnt pos, the Security Council. And then a brazilian draw off to which originate called for an immediate cease fire. And off the lots of negotiations including of the us is allies, the you can fronts, butchering it, down became humanitarian pauses. And yet the us still vetoed that resolution. They would have passed otherwise that with 12 of the countries in favor of the resolution. Listen now to what the Us Ambassador said to explain why she raised her hand a veto to resolution calling for humanitarian causes. We are on the ground doing the hard work of diplomacy. And while we recognize brazils desire to move this techs forward, we believe we need to let that diplomacy play out. Especially when secretary General Gutierrez president , biden secretary, blinking, and regional actors are engaged in intensive dialogue on the very issues we are deliberating on today. Us. Yes, resolutions are important and yes, this council must speak out, but the actions we take must be informed by the facts on the ground and support direct diplomacy efforts that can save lives. The council needs to get this right. Chris, listen to that. I think the excuse was we cannot have a humanitarian pause because it will get in the way of diplomacy. Whats the point of diplomacy . Employees able to get into the into way . Is world war exits absolutely disgraceful. Its disgusting to hear. That being said, ive lived through before them. Let me tell you what the em all of these golf bombards women getting. All america always gives. Well, i hate to use this phrase. A grace period, a period which they say ok, you go in a cheese, your role as you carry on for me. You can carol kidding civilians. But you know, the balance is too much let it be a couple of weeks. But all of this you have agreed just as terrible as on, on the 7th of october, i imagine the america is giving his rel, im not, he, and the period of grace period is also hypocrisy to hear an american and best to say these things about giving diplomacy, charles, weve moved those of us to be met and seen these live through these terrible bombardments. We all know that america says to israel, thats going to be a grace period for you. Take a while to what alex on the, to deal with International Humanitarian law. Im sorry to be cynical. This is what was that if america to go to the, to put his hand up and vote with the resolution yesterday, they could have done, they could have sends a message to these various, the enough is enough to just do it more cause than you ever done. In a single thats fine, was going to start, frankly, as far as im concerned, that its the use of instructional aid, as opposed to its contemptible. Okay. You had a point. Well, i dont have a point, i have many points, but the 1st one is i dont peer linda and the american best of, of flexing that both high good morris that to the Americans Administration was to get credit for the diplomacy. So hoping to have a Security Council resolution this monday, just president in the coming to come in to, to jerusalem. So i think theres a bit of national equal here in board more than anything else. You might because it invested to locked in that area and they somehow want to get the credit or whatever folders or see, find the monetary and access the document. Im on the 2nd thing i want to say, this is more important, is that the, i dont think we should be good step one. This to happen. Many, many Security Council resolutions in the past and one of the situations before the school because of the finalized and it doesnt make any difference. And so i think we should