Find clients my taxi to make money to feed my children. Im an old man. Nothing seems to be functioning here anymore. Thousands of people are fleeing their homes. Many are having to queue up to get clean water. Some tell you 0 if they havent been able to find Drinking Water since sunday. We feel discouraged, we flew in a children cant go to school. We cant buy food. How can we live in such a situation with fi to my fellow haitians while with the same haitian people do us, administrative sion has urged americans to leave the country as soon as possible. Canada has closed, its embassy, and some aid organizations suspended their operations due to the dangerous situation. Thank you very much. The Prime Minister flew to can you last week to finalize a deal to set up a Un Task Force led by can you to help restore order that triggered this latest crisis. But there is still no un troops on the ground to help authorities restore order. And the Prime Minister has yet to return. Stephanie decker, which is 0 of thousands of people in the brazilian state of a cri, has been evacuated after heavy flooding. Many roads and properties in the capital real bronco was inundated by flood water from the river cree. 19 of the local municipalities have declared an emergency. The government estimates more than 6000000. 00 in humanitarian aid will be needed and that is in use or not all knowledge is 0 is always more when i would cite that out. Is there a dot com . Ill be back in a half an hour with one use white on to the to stay with the literally firing in the groups of starving palestinians trying to get food aid in gaza. When does the, by the administration say enough is enough. Lets get to the bottom line. The israels one guy has gone far beyond killing 30000 palestinians. An injury more than 70000 now is realized preventing basic food a from reaching civilians who are facing starvation. Us President Joe Biden and his administration are still fully behind israel refusing to call for permanency spire and us costs for more humanitarian aid have just fallen on deaf ears. There are signs that bidens policies will cost him votes during this election season, but will that force him to change course and in support for israels war . Today were talking with matt dust, former Foreign Policy advisor to senator Bernie Sanders and currently executive Vice President at the center for International Policy map. Thank you so much for joining us today. Were looking at, at the breakdown of a, i mean honestly, people are desperate to survive. Desperate for food, starving surrounding a trucks and being shot on. I just want to ask you is this moment going to create any change in us policy . I would hope it would, but at this point, i dont know how many debts its going to take for the President Biden to shift policy. You are right. Not only are as rarely, these really is a real is really government not owning this you have is really minutes to are appraising the actions of is really soldiers in shooting these starving and desperate palestinians. And as you said, these people are desperate. They are not getting anything close to sufficient humanitarian aid, and that is because israel has a policy of preventing humanitarian aid from getting to them. The administration recognizes that. In fact, us the other day. There was a story about how the administration is considering error dropping into gaza that lets think about this firm in the United States, would consider air dropping aid into gauze because the, the, the military that it is arming and supporting unconditionally is preventing that aid from getting into gaza in violation of us law by the way. And thats important to acknowledge to us law as prohibits militaries that receive us supplied weapons from preventing humanitarian aid of getting it prevents, you know, prohibits them from using those weapons and ways that violate International Humanitarian law. That is clearly what is happening here. And yet after weeks and months of evidence that basically war crimes are being committed, clear violations of International Humanitarian law. The by the ministration refuses to shift course. Months ago, we did a report that looked at senator Bernie Sanders letter to dear colleagues saying that the United States could not be complicit. And what was an unfolding with what he called the in discriminant killing. Okay, tell us to enhance a either way they use that word himself several times. Right. And i, joe biden has use that thing. So im just wondering what is happening politically in this town inside washington, dc and around the nation in terms of respond you that did Bernie Sanders get any traction at all . Have others that have tried to shine a spotlight on whats in folding right now . I understand there was a whole rip it october 7th attack. Were watching a nightmare, a horse situation now and response, and Bernie Sanders and said we are now complicit in this. What are your thoughts . Hes absolutely right. No surprise. I agree with my former boss. We are absolutely complicit in this. We are complicit in the situation that led up to october set and the situation of continuing season blockade on gaza and occupation expulsion and daily humiliation for palestinians and the rest of the occupied territories. And as you said, just the, the atrocities of october 7th, are indefensible. Israel has every right to respond and defend its people as a senator sanders has acknowledged. But what we have been witnessing for the past almost 5 months and or continue to witness today is not self defense. This is something else. Um, so again, your question, what will it take . Why, why, what will it take to really see an upsurge in washington . Again, that is a thats, thats a tough question to answer because we are definitely seeing energy on the streets protests, especially from young, progressive democrats and beyond. The, weve seen an increasing number of members of congress, not nearly enough, but some, you know, raising these questions and, and raising the pressure. But as you know, the conversation about israel in washington, you know, kind of occurs in this weird, never, never land where the kind of conditions um that we impose on other partners and recipients of, of us aid simply never apply to israel. And the other piece of this too is when you have a democratic president. Unfortunately, the case is, democrats are much less inclined to criticize what we are. We are seeing is clearly a failed and, and any 2 main. And i would argue, immoral policy. Let me ask you about this, and this is an equation. I dont fully understand folks. On one hand, the United States is blocking all that much to impose any International Sanctions in israel. For this, it has said that it is working at the same time to get food, support a, i mean, a secretary of state anthony blinking and an actual revise and jake sullivan. Talk about how hard theyre working to to overcome is really resistance course there which which they are very public about to get aid in. And yet we are still as i understand it, providing without condition bombs and munitions and even seeking more support for israel. But in the eyes of the world, whether youre in a developed country or a developing country, what does that equation look like . Well, it looks incoherent because it is incoherent. President biden clearly believes that the way that us is Real Relationships and work. And hes believe this for a long time, is that if we have differences of opinion, we express those privately and conversations and but publicly its basically shoulder to shoulder lock, step, support, unconditional support. And you know, obviously hes the president. He gets to make those decisions. But my response to that is how is that going . That does not appear to be going very well. And i think in the eyes of the world, the United States just looks feckless and weak. This is a partner state that is enormously reliant on us support, diplomatically, politically intelligence, militarily and the president. United states has simply taken the tools of leverage off the table and, and told his in his secretary of state and others to work without those tools. The United States could cut off a, we could diminish a, we could slow aid, we could stop the towing resolutions. And then you went, theres a whole range of things that escalating menu of options that we had. If we decided to apply real pressure, which we should have been doing long before now, to ask this question carefully, if President Biden fails to use his leverage to constrain is really Prime Minister netanyahu his choices in this war to get a ceasefire. To get a to people in need and it created a monster triple difference in the, on the ground circumstances. Given what we just saw in michigan with a 100000 people, basically voting uncommitted within the democratic primary and not voting for President Biden in their own party. Do you think joe biden will lose the selection coming up . And again, i will answer carefully as you asked it carefully, and no one never should overstate the impact of any Foreign Policy issue, i think on us selections. Um, but i think whats important to note is that for many democrats, particularly young democrats, the issue of israel palestine this warrant because it is not just a Foreign Policy issue. It is an issue of, of social and racial justice. And thats why it resonates as strong one of the reasons why it resonates as strongly as it does. Um, because i think that a 100000 votes for uncommitted is clearly a message. I think it was actually an impressive effort given how, what a short timeframe that had to get up and going and know there are similar efforts in other primary states. And i think its important to acknowledge that these are from democrats who understand the stakes. Theyre using a tool to send the message in a way that is not intended to undermine bidens re election, but simply to send the message which is entirely appropriate that they are this, this policy is outrageous. And i do think that if president buying doesnt shift this policy, and i dont need a shift in messaging, he does not have a messaging problem. He has a policy problem. And i think if were talking about an election that was already going to be very close before all of this, were talking about an election that will very likely come down to a few 100000. 00 boats in a few key states. This could make the difference. Not i want to ask you about comments that the president made. They were made regarding the talks between israel, him up and hamas, which the United States egypt and cut our, our mediating wits. Here with the president said, my not security adviser tells me that were close because its not done yet. My hope is why next monday do you think those are solvent comments or as the president disconnected from reality . You know, i mean, well its good to hope for things. I hope well get a ceasefire. Money to it doesnt look like were were, were trying much closer. But the bottom line, listen, they should continue their efforts to get that agreement to release the hostages. But there, you know, the decisions by israel and hung us, you know, the United States should make its own decisions. We are in fact obligated under the existing us law to make decisions with regard to our support of israel in this war, unrelated to whether is really it and whether is real and i must come to that sees for argument which i very much hope they do i want to show you a quote from nikki haley in this quote, she writes, they were warned that the sky would fall if we moved our embassy, they warned that our allies would turn against us. Americans would be killed in war and the middle east would quickly ignite. Guess what . Thats just about an embassy and i dont want to mislead people to think that that is the only issue. But when you come to the Abraham Accords and one of the notion of the a very important as you can do a lot of deal making in the middle east and ignore the palestinian issue youve written. Youve written yourself about this recently about the president s own view that somehow you could do a deal with the saudis, between the saudi and his release, and the part of an abraham a cord like process maybe get some sort of palestinian state pathway and people are tired of work pathway, but then 3rd, use this new arrangement to take on iran and around to interesting the region. Im just interested in how you see this because when you talk about us actions and decisions, how badly aligned is the us frame with a reality in what its trying to do in the middle east, with the realities on the ground in the region. You know, i think, yes, thats a great question. I think haleys comments just shows the blindness that has guided, not just republican policy, but us policy for a long time. And i think by no, unfortunately bought into this as well on the initially, you know, kept the Abraham Accords at arms length. But after a few months basically decided to embrace it. And part of that logic is, as you said, that the palestinians can just be shot that aside from a few crumbs here and there to keep them quiet. But we saw the moving of the embassy, the other steps of the company ministration took, which are consistent with that approach, which is just as real guess whatever it wants. And the palestinians get a cage. That is what let us to october 7 again, thats not to absolve a mouse for their choices. Obviously their, their, their choices to commit that atrocity or are, you know that the key decision there, but it did not begin. History did not be den october 7. Now getting to binds approach, i mean, as i wrote, its important to understand that of the ministration their projects in the middle east right now is guided as is most of their Foreign Policy by one thing, strategic competition with china. And they see, you know, this is real normalization deal, which in my view as ive written, this is mainly your us, sorry, security deal. Um thats kind of wrapped in a, in a candy coating of, of piece with israel in order to sell it to democrats. But thats the main function of that is to box china out of the middle leaves. Theres also a component of confronting your own. But as, as you know, i mean a ron and saudi arabia and other countries in, in, in, in, in the region have been reaching slowly, step by step towards some form of the top. Which is good because ultimately iran is going to be part of that region just as israel is. Um. So any kind of arrangement that seeks to kind of box the rod out, i think its not going to be sustainable either. Thats not to downplay me. Rons horrible behavior in the region or to its own people. I mean we, we, we clearly need to take steps to confront that as we have been doing for a long time. I think we should take a different approach. I know that we were both supporters of the ron Nuclear Agreement and regret trumps withdrawal from it and, and, and bidens failure to get back into it. But i do think its important to understand that kind of the key aim of their middle east policy, which once again is china. Im just interested in kind of the message and brand of United States when it comes to democracy. As you look at what you see on folding right now in his real gaza, what you see unfolding in the region. Does america have standing any longer . You know, it, you know, taking what you just said about this being a saudi security. Veal you know, in terms of its intent and purpose right now, how much does america lose standing in the region given that approach . I think we in losing your list. I think, i mean, the President Biden is fond of this saying we should lead by the power of our example, not the example of our power. And i think on the, in that standard we are family, the example we are setting by continuing to unconditionally back this, this catastrophe in gaza is sending a horrible message. And i would add, especially in the wake of the russian war on ukraine. As ive written, i, i just, i think the, you know, the vitamin ministrations approach to ukraine has been very good. Its been a, you know, the effective, its been moral. Its been principled in helping ukraine defend itself against an illegal dumb invasion. But i think all of the principal principles daylight laid out this entire argument they made in support of the ukraine policy. They have a slightly burned out to the ground, but by the way, theyve approached israels assault on garza again, im not going to pretend these 2 things are exactly the same. They are not. But if we are talking about a set of principles that were talking about International Law and the need to observe it, they, theres such a stark double standard being applied to these 2 conflicts and the entire world can see it and they have acknowledged it may ask you a question about the american political scene. You know, my best efforts to describe whats happening in the United States is that were seeing whats always been in america. Isnt you know, slightly isolationist wing that really does not see being engaged in the world as being in the interest of United States at all. And this populist merger with this notion that we can withdraw not be when you look at the chaos that youre seeing and israel gone to the weakness of the present of United States in this case. Or you see the rejection of the notion that ukraine is relevant in any way, or the idea that maybe we just leave nato. How worried are you about a real isolationism taking hold in this white house and in this country as we see brewing right now, but with the 2024 elections and after right. Essentially, i dont know if i would care to revise it as a selection, as somebody would char