Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20170913

To stop children from traveller communities getting a raw deal at school . One family tell us of their struggle to stay in education. I would love him to go to high school, i know im not too clever, but i would have tried my best and done something with my life, do you know what i mean . Hello and welcome to the programme, were live until iiam. Whatever you do for a living, we want to hear from you about workers in the Public Sector, who as you know, havent had a pay rise in seven years, but thats about to change, at least for some jobs, but not by as much as many people want. Also, the government is giving no new money for this pay rise. It has told Police Forces and the Prison Service to find the money themselves. We really want to hear from you. Tell us about the state of your wages, over the last few years and what you think of the pay cap being lifted on Police Officers and prison officers. You can e mail me. And thats our top story today some of the uks biggest unions are threatening to strike after describing the latest Public Sector pay rises in england and wales as derisory and unacceptable. The government has announced a 1. 7 increase for prison officers. While Police Officers will get 1 plus a 1 bonus. Norman smith has the details. The backlash is growing . M the backlash is growing . It is, vic because i think anyone who thought there was going to be some huge rise in Public Sector pay are going to be disappointed because although the government probably got the headlines they wanted, im looking at the papers this morning, the ft, may bows to pressure with end of Public Sector pay cap. The signs are that the treasury are really digging in here to keep the lid on Public Sector pay because when you look at the deal yesterday for the police and the prison officers, it is limited. It is below the rate of inflation anyway, but perhaps more importantly, Philip Hammond has said to police and prison officers, 0k, you can have your pay rise, but you all have to pay for it. It will have to come from their departments. He is not making any more money available, the treasury are giving zilch to fund this pay rise and i just think if that is the stance the treasury is taking now, how tough a line are they going to take when nurses and teachers come up for their pay settlement because you know police and prison officers only account for i dont know, 5 of all Public Sector workers. When you get to nurses and teachers, you are talking about hundreds of thousands, the bill for that is massive. So the likelihood then is that the treasury are likelihood then is that the treasury a re really likelihood then is that the treasury are really going to take a hard line andi are really going to take a hard line and i notice this morning listening to the justice secretary and i notice this morning listening to thejustice secretary david lidington, he is a spending minister and he wants more money for prison officers and judges and so on and so forth, he was sounding pretty cautious about the prospect of being able to crow more money out of the treasury. Have a listen. Its less, probably, than all of us would want in an ideal world where there were unlimited sums of money, crocks of gold somewhere. But there are not, and any responsible government has to strike a balance between what we want to do to recognise the dedication and professionalism of Public Sector workers and what taxpayers, themselves ordinary working people, are able to afford out of their hard earned income. So, where are the unions going to go with this . Where is the Labour Party Going to go with this . Well, the unions are preparing for a fight. They are meeting at their congress in brighton. All seem to be suggesting unless they get a pay rise above inflation, then they are seriously talking about a campaign of co ordinated industrial action. I think we have to be a little bit cautious about that because weve had sort of one day strikes by the unions i think in 2014 over Public Sector pay and it didnt really budge the government. And the problem is basically this, there is no money around the moment. We know there is huge pressure on public finances and the economy is slowing down so that reduces the amount of tax revenue that there is around and bearin tax revenue that there is around and bear in mind the last time the chancellor tried to increase taxes to give themselves a bit more money in the last budget over National Insurance he got beaten about the head and had to engage in a retreat. So there is a clash looming. How far the government is going to back off if there are strikes, i think is a moot point. Thank you very much, norman. We will talk more about pay later in the programme. If you work in the Public Sector, give us your experiences. We really need to get your experience to feed into that conversation just after 9. 30am. Annita mcveigh is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. The National Audit office says the governments welfare reforms are likely to have contributed to rising levels of homelessness in england. Its report claims that in the last six years, theres been a 60 rise in the number of households in temporary accommodation including 120,000 children. Marta newman reports. Homelessness in england is on the rise and the reasons are varied from a lack of social housing to less affordable private rental properties and even a reduction in housing benefit are being blamed. The number of families in temporary accommodation is up 60 since 2011, while rough sleeping has more than doubled to over 4,000 counted in one autumn evening. But this report paints a picture of a system that isnt fit for purpose, being overseen by ministers who have little interest in tackling it from simple things like assessing the impact of how many welfare reforms could exacerbate the problem. Well, what were seeing is a rise in all measures of homelessness in urban areas of the country. So what wed like to see is a proper co ordinated cross government approach between central and local government to try and tackle this because its very expensive for the public purse and it is a tragedy for the homeless households as well. While homelessness costs more than £1 billion a year, usually administered by councils, the report criticises ministers as paying little attention to how the money is spent. In a statement the department for communities and local government said they will continue to invest £550 million tackling the issues until 2020, but it will shortly outline plans to eliminate rough sleeping entirely. A bbc investigation has found that just 2 of council owned high rise blocks in england are fully fitted with sprinkler systems. A freedom of information request also showed that two thirds of the blocks had only one staircase. The london fire commissioner, dany cotton, said sprinklers would save lives and fitting them should be compulsory. Graham satchell reports. Borisjohnson is travelling to the caribbean countries hit by irma. He will visit the worst hit islands. There has been criticism that the uks response has been too slow. Hundreds of homes in nottinghamshire and lincolnshire have been left without power as storm aileen brings strong winds to parts of the uk. Aileen, the first named storm this season, has hit wales, southern parts of Northern England and the north midlands, with winds of up to 75mph. Highways england warned of an increased risk to drivers of lorries, caravans and motorbikes who could be blown over by the storm. Mums who go into labour early should be given antibiotics to prevent passing on any potentially deadly infections to their babies. Thats according to new guidelines from the Royal College of obstetricians and gynaecologists. Group b strep is the most common cause of life threatening infection in premature babies, with 500 contracting it in 2015. The government has won a commons vote that will ensure the conservatives have a majority on key parliamentary committees. The committees job is to scrutinise new laws. The conservatives have not had an outright majority in the commons since the election and 0pposition mps have accused the government of a constitutional outrage. More than a third of black or ethnic minority employees have been bullied, abused or singled out at work, according to research by the tuc. However, only one in five reported the bullying and felt their complaint was properly dealt with. The union is calling for employers to take a zero tolerance attitude and develop a clear process for investigating every complaint. Its clear that many of the people responding to our survey felt too frightened to report what was happening, and that tells me that theyre worried that its going to give them a bad name, its clear that many of the people responding to our survey felt too that theyre worried that they wont get a promotion or they wont get that pay rise if theyre seen as a troublemaker. So its really important that employers are clear that its the abuser who is the problem, not the victim. Myanmars leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, has cancelled plans to attend the un General Assembly. Ms suu kyi has come under increasing criticism for her failure to act or speak out on the military operation in northern rakhine state, which has driven nearly 400,000 ethnic rohingyas into neighbouring bangladesh. A court in australia has awarded the actress rebel wilson more than two and a half Million Pounds in a defamation case. Ms wilson successfully argued that a series of magazine articles had wrongly portrayed her as a liar. In june a jury unanimously sided with ms wilson, who claimed the articles stifled her career in hollywood. She said she would give the money away thats a summary of the latest bbc news. More at 9 30. This e mailfrom this e mail from somebody who wishes to remain anonymous. I have been a prison officerfor to remain anonymous. I have been a prison officer for the last ten yea rs prison officer for the last ten years at a prison in salford. The only pay rise i got when i received a small promotion. I have been assaulted and on a daily basis have to co nfro nt assaulted and on a daily basis have to confront and restrain violent men. Ijust to confront and restrain violent men. I just want to feel appreciated in my role and at the moment i certainly do not. This e mailer says, could you please, please consider the ordinary taxpayers who, after all, pay for the rises . Many in the private sector had no pay rises whilst the Public Sector have been having their 196. Public sector have been having their 1 . The unions dont give a damn about workers in the private sector as they are not political enough to campaign about. Another viewer tweets this, the government needs to give local authorities the money to give local authorities the money to pay for the pay rises. Anyone can promise a pay rise if it is not costing them. Get in touch. Your view on the fact that the pay cap is being lifted for prison officers and Police Officers. Lets get some sport with hugh woozencroft. The managers werent overly complimentary about their sides. Celtic had a huge task on their hands and they took on a paris st germain side with £0. 5 billion worth of talent out on the pitch and they played like it as well. They inflicted celtics biggest defeat. However, the celtic boss afterwards, Brendan Rodgers he wasnt happy with parts of how his team played. He said they were like an under 12 side at times. Manchester united were winners over fc basel. However their boss Jose Mourinho winners over fc basel. However their bossJose Mourinho accused his team of not taking the opposition seriously. He said there were too many tricks. Bad decisions, too many gambles as well and they played like it was fantasy football. Clearly he wa nted it was fantasy football. Clearly he wanted perfection from his side and thats what the chelsea fans got at sta mford thats what the chelsea fans got at stamford bridge. They are back in Champions League after a season away and they beat the azerbaijan champions. Conte called it the perfect start. So at least one happy manager. We will see ifjurgen klopp gets his smile back. Manchester city are in action as well as spurs. So it will be another busy evening in the Champions League to come as well. And, very interesting, we have been hearing from the england womens manager mark sampson about accusations of racism hanging over him . Yes, this is a story we have been following for sometime on the programme. It emerged that the fa made an £80,000 payment to an england striker after she made claims of bullying and harassment against the national manager, mark sampson. Sampson was cleared of any wrongdoing been an fa and independent investigation. Further allegations emerged. This is what sampson had to say when he was asked by dan roan about the initial racism claims. I made it clear that i deny the comments, and that wasnt said. Why is she saying it . What do you think her motive is . I cant answer the question for someone else. I respect that people have made allegations, andl that people have made allegations, and i respect that, since they have been made, i have gone through a full process, answering the questions asked of me, i have done everything asked of me, making sure i have answered those questions as well i can. Sampson i have answered those questions as welll can. Sampson received the backing of his players yesterday. They are getting ready for world cup qualifying. Fa executives will face a parliamentary enquiry over the investigations into alukos claims. This probably wont be the last we hear on the issue. Thank you very much. The United Nations Refugee Agency has issued an urgent plea for funds this morning after a surge in new rohinhya muslims fleeing from myanmar. 370,000 refugees have crossed to bangladesh since violence escalated last month. Pressure is also growing on Aung San Suu Kyi, who leads the country, for failing to condemn what is widely seen as ethnic cleansing at the hands of the Burmese Military. Today, she has cancelled plans to attend the United Nations General Assembly next week. In a moment, well get the latest from our correspondent in bangladesh. First though some of the refugees tell their story. 0ur south asia correspondent Justin Rowlatt is in coxs bazar near the bangladesh myanmar border. Justin, tell us more about where you are. We didnt choose this location because it is really beautiful, but because it is really beautiful, but because these fishing boats are the way that lots of Rohingya Refugees make it to bangladesh. They travel from me and marr on these boats, around the bay of bengal, then to hear. It is a perilous journey. Around the bay of bengal, then to hear. It is a perilousjourney. Not only do they sacrifice what few possessions they have to pay for the journey, but once at sea, it is very dangerous. We understand that, if you hours ago, one of these boats sank. We are going to find out what happened. We have been told there we re happened. We have been told there were awful scenes of bodies washing ashore. More evidence of the plight of these people, and the scale of what is happening. The latest figures are 370,000 refugees have made the journey across from me and more so far. The fact that these boats. 0n the me amla side wanting to come over. It really is a huge humanitarian crisis unfolding here. We have seen the scenes already, chaotic scenes around food trucks, food being thrown out by bangladeshis, and desperate rohingyas reaching up and fighting to get food. If you demeaning scenes of people forced to beg, having already made terrible journeys. It is evidence of the fact that the operation here doesnt seem to be working. I have been for a week, and virtually every refugee i speak to says they have had almost no contact whatsoever. It is odd, the aid agencies are here. Down the beach in the hotels. In those hotels, there are representatives of aid organisations and they want to do their best. The problem. The bangladesh tubman. Which has a terrible dilemma. There are 400,000 refugees here in bangladesh, who came before the wave. We are talking about another 100,000. Anxious, if you like, to make it seem anxious, if you like, to make it seem too pleasant here. It is one of the poorest and most densely populated countries in the world. They are worried about dealing with the scale of a crisis like this. Absolutely desperate situation. I know you couldnt hear every word, but i hope you understand why we have persisted, really important to hear from have persisted, really important to hearfrom him. Lets talk now to shafiur rahman, hes a documentary maker who has just returned from myanmar. Vishva pani blomfield is a buddhist writer and teacher, he says he feels ashamed by the situation in myanmar. And Ikhtiyar Aslanov is the head of the delegation for the International Red cross in bangladesh. Tell our audience what you have seen. Tell our audience what you have seen. Well, particularly i want to speak about a particular massacre that happened, savagery that was described to me, it is beyond the pale. 0ver described to me, it is beyond the pale. Over a period of three days, virtually every villager was put to death. Women were raped, they were tortured, they were shot, they were burned to death. Children were not spared. I remember coming across one woman weeping in a camp, a refugee camp, andi woman weeping in a camp, a refugee camp, and i asked her what she had seen camp, and i asked her what she had seen with her own eyes. She told me that she had seen at least 300 bodies of small children, and 200 bodies of small children, and 200 bodies of small children, and 200 bodies of women of her age. She also described a particularly horrendous scenario, where little children scampered. They went into the paddy fields to run away from the Burmese Military. The soldiers went after them. They didnt shoot them, they slaughtered them with knives, long knives, year. Are the Burmese Military killing these people because they are muslims . When i ask refugees why they think this is happening, many of them offer no explanation. Some of them say, well, it is because we are muslims, they dont want us in me amla. In me. Explain to us what you think. |j dont want us in me amla. In me. Explain to us what you think. I am a british person but also a buddhist. There is absolutely no justification for this, not only within buddhism, but within ordinarily human decency and morality. Its quite shameful. It is shocking to me, buddhism as a religion of peace, to find myself associated with these kinds of acts, which are perpetrated by people who are buddhists. Sometimes with the support of buddhist monks, and sometimes in the name of buddhism. It is absolutely shocking to me. How is it in the name of buddhism, in terms of the military trying to justify this . It is not really justified by buddhist doctrines, as i understand it, in burma, but a conflation of the National Group of the burkinis, who are all buddhists. And the hermes nation, the burkinis burmese, they are standing up for buddhism itself. This, of course, in doing that, they are going against the tenets of the religion, but they are nonetheless buddhists. Why do you think Aung San Suu Kyi has not condemned this, let alone tried to stop it . I really dont know. Like many others, i am very disappointed that Aung San Suu Kyi is no longer acting with the kind of moral authority and moral leadership that we are used to from her. I have seen so we are used to from her. I have seen so much speculation about her motives that i really dont want to add to it. I dont know, but i, like many others, and waiting for her to ta ke many others, and waiting for her to take a stand. Tell us what you and your staff are doing to help the refugees. Thanks very much, victoria. From the very onset of the crisis, if i may say get like this, there are thousands of people crossing into bangladesh. We have people deployed, but the situation is changing rapidly. Numbers have been increasing, even our bike hour, and also trying to understand what are the basic needs, and what we can do to respond to the needs. Today, we have several teams on the ground on the border, and our focus from the beginning was on the border. People at the beginning of the crisis were stranded near the border in places, so called no mans land, and close to the border areas. The station was challenging in terms of the changing needs, and our teams are today trying to put together all the efforts to be able to face this unfolding humanitarian crisis. From the refugees and villages you talk to, did you discuss the International Response . 0r to, did you discuss the International Response . Or the lack of response . It is evident, when you go to the border. While welcome the effo rts go to the border. While welcome the efforts of the. Sitting under the hot sun, they are exhausted. I didnt mean aid agencies, i meant governments. Yes, equally so. If you go to the camps yourself, you find people sitting there without shelter. People are having to buy their own plastic sheeting. I think that is outrageous. There is a flourishing market in plastic sheeting, and they cant even be provided with that. People have not received food. Some people are not able to direct structures themselves. There is no one to help them. Some are actually asking for money to pitch their camp on that piece of land. Bangladeshis are raking it in. All of these things compound the difficulties the refugees are facing. We are hearing today that Aung San Suu Kyi will not go next week to the United Nations General Assembly. That has already drawn criticism from some quarters, what should she do in your view . Drawn criticism from some quarters, what should she do in your view . think she needs to make very clear her own position about whats happening. I think there needs to be, she is a very sincere buddhist practitioner, and she needs to bring that, bring her values, practitioner, and she needs to bring that, bring hervalues, into this situation. She needs to call for an enquiry, an independent international enquiry, into the crimes that have been committed on whatever side, but particularly by the burmese army. If that means she loses her position, if there is a political cost in relation to the burmese state or burmese population, i think she will have to take that, pay that price. The alternative is she loses all sense of moral authority in the world. 0k. Thank you, all, very much for coming on the programme. Still to come well speak to workers across the Public Sector as the threat of strikes grows despite that government announcement to lift the pay cap for some workers. New guidelines recommend that women in premature labour should receive antibiotics to protect their baby from a potentially deadly infection called Group B Strep. Heres annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. Some of the uks biggest unions are threatening to strike after describing the latest Public Sector pay rises in england and wales as unacceptable. The government has announced 1. 7 increase for prison officers. While Police Officers will get 1 , plus a 1 bonus. The National Audit office says the governments welfare reforms are likely to have contributed to rising levels of of homelessness in england. Its report claims that in the last six years, theres been a rise in the number of households in temporary accommodation, including 120,000 children. The government said it was investing more than half a billion pounds by 2020 to address the issue. A bbc investigation has found that just 2 of council owned high rise blocks in england are fully fitted with sprinkler systems. A freedom of information request also showed that two thirds of the blocks had only one staircase. The london fire commissioner, dany cotton, said sprinklers would save lives and fitting them should be compulsory. The foreign secretary, borisjohnson, is travelling to the British Overseas Territories in the caribbean hit by Hurricane Irma. Its understood hell spend the next few days visiting the worst hit areas of the British Virgin islands and anguilla. Theres been criticism that the uks response has been too slow. Mothers who go into labour early should be given antibiotics to prevent passing on any potentially deadly infections to their babies. Thats according to new guidelines from the Royal College of obstetricians and gynaecologists. Group b strep is the most common cause of life threatening infection in premature babies with 500 contracting it in 2015. A court in australia has awarded the actress rebel wilson more than two and a half Million Pounds in a defamation case. Ms wilson successfully argued that a series of magazine articles had wrongly portrayed her as a liar. In june a jury unanimously sided with ms wilson, who claimed the articles stifled her career in hollywood. She said she would give the money away. Hundreds of homes in nottinghamshire and lincolnshire have been left without power as storm aileen brings strong winds to parts of the uk. Aileen, the first named storm this season, has hit wales, southern parts of Northern England and the north midlands with winds of up to 75mph. Highways england warned of an increased risk to drivers of lorries, caravans and motorbikes who could be blown over by the storm. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10am. Sport now with hugh. Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers said his side played like under 12s at times as they suffered their biggest european defeat. They were beaten 5 0 at home by the stars of paris st germain who had a team that cost more than half a billion pounds. Rodgers sais they were three or four levels above. Chelsea returned to the Champions League with a 6 0 home win over fc qara bag of azerbaijan. Manchester united were also back in the competition after a season away. They beat basel 3 0 at old trafford. England womens manager mark sampson has told bbc sport that hes absolutley not racist. Sampson was cleared of two independent investigations following accusations of bullying and discrimination made by striker eni aluko. Former england manager roy hodgson is back in the premier league as the new manager of Crystal Palace. He replaces Frank De Boer who was sacked this week after losing his first four League Matches in charge. I will be back with more after 10am. If ministers were expecting thanks for their decision to lift the 1 pay cap for some Public Sector workers they will be disappointed today. Even Police Officers who alongside prison officers will be the first to benefit, are said to be angry and deflated according to their union. Elsewhere theres the threat of strikes from some the uks biggest unions who between them represent over two million Public Sector workers and what promises to be sustained pressure from labour to raise pay across the board. Lets to conservative politician daniel hannan. He is stuck on the tube at the moment. Andrew moore a Small Business owner who says the Public Sector already has a good deal and christine ba rtzocas a reitred teacher and trade union member whos worried union bosses are leading their members towards pointless strikes. At the tuc congress in brighton is tim roache, general secretary of one of britains biggest trade unions and in birmingham is the police and crime commissioner of britains second Largest Police force, david jamieson. We did ask for a representative from the treasury, but they couldnt give us anyone the treasury, but they couldnt give us anyone to speak to. Tim roach, the cap is going to be lifted. Does that mean the threat of your Union Balloting for strike action has been lifted . Well, good morning, everybody and no, not necessarily. First of all, we welcome the cap being lifted, but i think it is where you set the pay scale. The important bit is that people need to realise Public Sector workers have suffered pay cut after pay cut after pay cut. The people rerepresent, people who support our kids in school, who feed them, who educate them and who look after the most vulnerable, care workers who look after our elderly in their twilight who stay overnight without getting paid at all, who look after our elderly, refuse collectors who you dont realise the greatjob they do until they dont empty our bins. Street cleaners who keep our streets clea n. Street cleaners who keep our streets clean. These are people who have suffered £7,000 pinched out of their purses and pockets over the last seven yea rs. Purses and pockets over the last seven years. So what rise should they get . I think rate of inflation is 2. 9 . So any offer of 1. 7 is wholly inadequate. A rise of 2. 996 . Sorry, say again. So a rise of2. 996 . No, no, the gmbs case is that we should have a 5 rise to make up for the years that they have had their pay cut in real terms. 2. 9 , the current rate of inflation would mean they are treading water. Thats not fairand they are treading water. Thats not fair and thats not reasonable so were saying 5 , were also saying as part of the gmbs pay pinch campaign that every Public Sector worker should have a £10 minimum wage. Now, thats realistic, victoria, thats not gross, thats not unfair, thats realistic. And how would you expect a government with a deficit of £45 billion and National Debt standing at £1. 7 trillion to pay for a 5 pay rise across the Public Sector . Well, isnt this the problem . The government have continually said we need to live within our means. Keep cutting and in the end everything will be all right. Frankly, that hasnt worked. What we need to do is start investing, investing in our Public Sector workers, give them the money that they thoroughly deserve and they thoroughly earn. Public Sector Workers like the refuse collectors and the School Support staff, if they are given a decent pay rise, they are not going to invest it in some off shore fund in the cayman islands, they will spend it. They will spend it in the high streets, that lifts the economy and put more money in the exchequer and that will reinvigorate the economy. It would be brave and bold. Are you suggesting it should come from savings made elsewhere . From tax rises . Where would you the money come from . No, the point im making is if you invest in our Public Sector workers. I understand that. Idid hear Sector Workers. I understand that. I did hear that. How do you get the money to invest . Are you saying borrow that money, are you saying add to the deficit or put taxes up somewhere else . Victoria, we dont need to borrow the money. Thats the thing. People are looking at this down the wrong end of the telly scosmt there is the money in the exchequer. We have more money in employment than we have had and there is less money in the exchequer, we need to give our Public Sector workers the money they deserve and they will spend it in the economy and that will lift the economy and everybody will benefit. Thats the point. Javid james son, Police Commissionerfor thats the point. Javid james son, Police Commissioner for the second Largest Force in the country. Police getting this 1 rise with a 1 bonus effectively. How are you going to fund those wage increases for your officers . Well, firstly i welcome any extra pay for the Police Office rs any extra pay for the Police Officers because these are people who day by day put their life on the line to keep us safe and secure. This move that we have had from the government telling us that there is a pay increase that has lifted the cap is nonsense because what theyve doneis cap is nonsense because what theyve done is given a one year bonus above the 1 increase they would expect. We dont have the funding to fund that. Were expecting a 1 rise. We have budgeted for that, but the government, what they have done is passedit government, what they have done is passed it to people like myself, police and Crime Commissioners across the country to somehow find the money. How are you going to fund it . Reduce the number of officers that we have and ive estimated that this extra 1 for one year will cost another £3 million out of the budget and thats the equivalent of 80 Police Officers we wont be able to recruit in the coming years. The policing minister says Police Forces are sitting on reserves of £1. 5 billion. How much do you have in reserve . Billion. How much do you have in reserve . I keep back some reserves. Reserve . I keep back some reserves. How much . We keep about £10 million or £12 million for riots and major events and terrorism, we keep them there because if the Police Minister would accuse us of being imprudent if we didnt have the reserve to spend. What he is suggesting you use some of the reserves to fund the pay rise . Well in the end the only way we can save money is from the pay budget and the pay budget is mainly Police Officers salaries and im frayed if this goes through and it goes through the current years and the government dont fund it, dont give us the money to pay the rises then in the end the only way we can create those savings is by reducing the number of Police Officers on the street. This is also very divisive. It aplace only to Police Officers and not to some of the Excellent Police staff we have who deal with 999 calls and other work as well. It is very divisive and Police Officers wont be happy and police staff wont be happy either. 0k, let me bring in conservative politician and a retired teacher and trade union member. Why is your Prime Minister abandoning the pay cap when there is abandoning the pay cap when there is a deficit in this country of £45 billion and National Debt stands at £1. Billion and National Debt stands at £1. Trillion . It is a question of finding a balance. Youre right, were spending more than we raised to the tune of £1 billion a week and that money is going to have to be paid back one day and so the role of a politician is to find a balance between standing up for those unborn taxpayers, those kids who are going to one day be landed with it and recognising the work of front line Public Sector workers. So she has struck the balance with this . Yes. You heard there will be 80 Police Officers cut in the West Midlands . Well, like i say, it would be the easiest thing to sit here and say everyone can have all the money they wa nt everyone can have all the money they want and everyone would applaud. That would be a dereliction of duty because the deficit hasnt gone away. Im surprised somebody like you isnt saying we shouldnt be lifting the pay cap at all. The money is coming ot of existing budgets. No. This is the point. If you want to recognise the pay of Public Sector workers and everyone in the country has a pay rise, public and private Sector Workers have seen their pay fall behind since the credit crunch, but if you wa nt since the credit crunch, but if you want to recognise that with extra money, you have got to say where the money, you have got to say where the money is coming from. We cant borrow more. We could tax more, it is difficult to see the revenue and that means we have to identify savings elsewhere and thats what a responsible government does, unlike what Jeremy Corbyn is doing which responsible government does, unlike whatJeremy Corbyn is doing which is to promise money to everybody without any indication of where hed get it. Mrs may is promising a pay rise without putting any new money into it. What kind of a pay rise is that . It is funded by departmental cuts elsewhere so it is revenue neutral from the taxpayer. This is from someone who doesnt leave their name, lets not forget the total package. Most average private Sector Workers face having to work into their 70s while receiving a low pension with lots of Financial Risks associated with it whereas Public Sector workers enjoy a secure and sometimes generous pension scheme. Christine, a retired teacher, long standing trade union member. How do you view the prospect of strikes and in some cases illegal strikes . I think it is a dreadful thing to think about to be quite truthful. They have to have a majority, i feel, like truthful. They have to have a majority, ifeel, like unions should have a majority of people balloted of members balloted unless the majority have their say then it is just a few leading the many and i dont think thats a very good democratic process. So when Len Mccluskey democratic process. So when len m cclus key of democratic process. So when Len Mccluskey of one of the biggest unions, if not the biggest, says i would back illegal strikes, do you think thats unwise . Yes, i think it is very unwise. Is he notjust standing upfor is very unwise. Is he notjust standing up for his members who havent had a pay rise for seven yea rs . Havent had a pay rise for seven years . No, he is standing up for his political beliefs i think he is trying to push forward the union as a political force, not trying to push forward the union as a politicalforce, not something trying to push forward the union as a political force, not something for his members. It is not true that nobody had a pay rise. People have carried on getting pay rises of the it is important to stress. In real terms . It means a new person coming in is not starting at a higher rate. We know it is a cut. When you compare, at the moment, with inflation . No, thats not the case. You are getting, the pay cap applies to what the level of a new person starting. It doesnt mean if you are already in thatjob starting. It doesnt mean if you are already in that job that youre not getting the pay rises that come with length of service or with promotions. The Resolution Foundation says with the cap lifted it is £100 pay cut this year for a prison officer on £19,000. Well, assuming that he wasnt moving up the scale which, of course, most of them are. The easiest thing in the world would be for me to sit here and say everyone should have a pay rise and you would be very popular for doing that, but ultimately, the money has to be paid back and somebody has to stand up, there is nothing selfless about spending money today, and footing and sticking our kids with the bill. Do you take that point, i dont know if you have children . Not quite to the level that i have grandchildren, but i have children, and ifearfor the world of work they are going into. I have a 24 year old and 22 year old daughter. Lets get back to the point, it is nice to hear him access that all workers need a pay rise, but what i will not have in this debate is Public Sector worker against private sector worker. The gmb represents 630,000 members, half in the Public Sector, half in the private sector. The reality is, when you compare Public Sector workers to private Sector Workers, they are not very wealthy. The people i am talking about, School Support staff, ca re talking about, School Support staff, care Sector Workers, refuse collectors, who have had £7,000 real term pay cuts. I couldnt afford a £7,000 pay cut my very good salary, thank you very much, let alone the people we represent. We are talking about Public Sector workers that keep our streets clean, that keep our children fed and educated, who look after our elderly in their twilight years, they deserve a pay rise. It is time the government woke up rise. It is time the government woke up to the fact that rather than talking about cutting, cutting and cutting, they start investing in those workers who keep the country running. Final thought those workers who keep the country running. Finalthought for those workers who keep the country running. Final thought for you before i read more messages from people watching around the country, would you back illegal strikes . No, i went back illegal strikes, but that again, that is not the issue or headline. The people i represent are saying that the £11 billion of unpaid overtime that they have given to the exchequerjust last year alone cannot continue. Victoria, we cannot continue to run the country on goodwill given by people who dont do theirjobs for the money, they do it because they care. That cant continue, and it was about time it was recognised by the government, and about time those people were rewarded. When they say to me, tim, i cant take any more because i cant pay the bills or make ends meet. If they say i am going to take action in support of my claim, the gmb will be beside them. Craig on Facebook Says i am a Public Sector worker and have had two 0. 2 pay rises since 2010. My wife is a teacher, we have seen a reduction in our incomes in real terms of 20 . The government says there is no money for a pay increase, but they found a billion to bribe the dup to prop themselves up. Enough is enough, and ifully support a strike. They are not on the other side of an enforced divide, we need to pay more in income tax to fund proper pay rises, but dont further reduce the number of teachers, nurses, police and further destroy their workplaces. This e mailfrom further destroy their workplaces. This e mail from someone that does not leaving, my friend a Police Offers a retires next week at 51. He will receive a £160,000 lump sump, and an £18,000 a year index linked pension. This is one of the reasons hejoined the pension. This is one of the reasons he joined the police 30 years ago. Not many in the private sector will get this at six to seven years of age. Maybe we should look at the bigger picture. Thank you very much, everybody. Later were live in the British Virgin islands and anguilla to find out how residents there are coping, and well speak to the man in charge of the british armys relief operation out there. Its a bug which kills two babies every month and leaves dozens more mentally and physically disabled each year. Group b streptococcus, known as strep b, led to the death of 27 babies in 2015, and is carried by around one in four pregnant women. This morning, new guidelines written for the Royal College of obstetricians and gynaecologists recommends women in premature labour should receive antibiotics to prevent passing on infections to their children. With me now is peter brocklehurst, professor of Womens Health at the university of birmingham. He also co wrote the guidelines. In our brighton studio, jane blump, chief executive of the charity, Group B Strep support, which she started with her husband when they lost their own baby, more than 20 years ago. In tunbrige wells is Louisa Caroline hines. Her son logan spent nine weeks in hospital after contracting Group B Strep meningitis. And in the scottish borders, katy noble, her daughter ivy developed Group B Strep infection after giving birth in september 2013. Thank you, everybody, forjoining us. Thank you, everybody, forjoining us. Thank you for coming on the programme. There is a child somewhere, and we welcome children on this programme, so that you dont have to tell them to be quiet. Let me start with you, peter brocklehurst, if i may. It seems so simple, the new guidelines, that antibiotics should be given, why hasnt it been done before . We tried to balance the risks of giving large numbers of women antibiotics to prevent a feud with serious cases. The problem is, as you have said, about 25 of the women carry the bacteria, we have 780,000 births a year, a large amount of women requiring antibiotics to prevent what is a small number of cases. We try to balance the risks of the antibiotics against the benefit of giving them. In this instance, we have reviewed evidence about it, and decided that women who are in preterm labour, are sufficiently at risk of contracting strip the, and those that acquire it. In that instance, we feel very have a benefit, against risks, and there are benefits in terms of fewer infected babies, and fewer disabled and dead babies as a consequence. Tell us your story, katie. Iv was born at 34 weeks. It was all very, very quickly. We when she was six hours old, we realised she was struggling to breathe, she was grunting. Before that, everything was fine. I have a photograph her with if feeding tube m, photograph her with if feeding tube in, she was doing really well. She deteriorated very quickly. Luckily, she was in a specialist babycare unit because she was born prematurely. The doctors worked their magic, and given the right antibiotics, she was born on wednesday 25th of september, and on friday 23rd, we were told that she was the sickest baby in the hospital, and we werent sure if she was going to survive that night. She was going to survive that night. She was septic with the virus going through her body, through her bloodstream. She had the beginnings of pneumonia, and a small bleed to the brain, which was all connected with this virus. Right, fortunately, is that her . That is her big sister, rosie. Tell rosie that she is welcome to come on the tv. Come and see. Here she comes. Rosie is of school, she is not feeling well. Rosie, welcome to the programme, lovely to have you on. I hope you feel better soon. Ivy made a recovery, but happy guidelines been emplaced, for you, what difference would it have made . A huge difference. I have no idea about the Group B Strep, it would have made a big difference. Had she not receive the antidote it she did, yeah. Let me bring in louisa, welcome to the programme. Logan spent nine weeks in hospital, your son, after contracting Group B Strep, tell us how it affects a baby. He wasjust so how it affects a baby. He wasjust so lethargic. There was no life to him at the time when ijust thought he was very sleepy. And i gave him a bottle, which he promptly threw up. Idid his bottle, which he promptly threw up. I did his temperature, and it was very, very high. At this point, i didnt know what it was. But there was one thing that made me wonder, because he had very bulging fontanelle, a sign that alerted me, because i had a little card about meningitis from the gp. Luckily, that made me think straightaway, it may be that. So obviously, that alerted me to the effects. But it is an horrendous disease, and i think the doctors thought that your little boy wouldnt survive. Yes, i had six doctors shaking their heads, looking at me. They were just saying what an horrendous disease it was. That was all that they could say. Literally, they were like that. My husband turned up at the hospital at that point, and it was horrendous. And how is he now . Perfect. Yes he is a very strong boy, which was lovely let me bring injane, chief executive of a charity, what do you think of the new guidelines, how much is this a step forward in your view . We think it is a massive step forward. We are delighted that peter and his colleagues at Royal College of obstetricians and gynaecologists have done a major update of their Group B Strep guidance. In particular, not only offering antibiotics to all women in preterm labour, recommending that will make a big change, but what will also make a big change is the recommendation that all pregnant women should be given information about Group B Strep. 0ne women should be given information about Group B Strep. One thing we hear time about Group B Strep. One thing we heartime and again about Group B Strep. One thing we hear time and again is, sadly, the first time a woman hears about Group B Strep is when their baby is diagnosed with Group B Strep. Those two new recommendations, coupled with the recommendation that some women will be offered testing for Group B Strep during pregnancy will, we think, make a sea change in terms of the prevention of more of these avoidable infections. People brocklehurst, final thought from you as the co writer of these guidelines, will this happen for all pregnant women from today Going Forward . Pregnant women from today Going Forward . Yes, clearly, the guidelines will be updated by royal couege guidelines will be updated by Royal College of obstetricians and gynaecologists, and it will be in fermented straightaway. It may take time to filter through everybody stop but it was having an impact immediately. Thank you very much. Thank you to to everybody. We appreciate your time. Thank you. We will have the latest news and sport in a couple of minutes. Before that, all the weather. It has been stormy and blowy here. Storm aileen has pushed into the north sea, but left behind thousands without power. Lots of trees down across england and wales, leading to disruption on the roads this morning, and wild scenes around the coast. Strong winds overnight to the west of bristol across southern parts of wales, too. Winds of 70 mph. In the last few hours, closer to 60 mph. Those winters, they have rattled off towards the netherlands and across germany. We have been left with a blustery and windy day. Sunshine giving way to showers in east anglia, the midlands and south east. Cloud into Northern England, showers devolved into bands, through the dales and into central part of cumbria and the south of scotland. Northern ireland, sunshine and showers, cloud in scotland, not as windy in the south, but persistent rain around north aberdeenshire and the murray first. That continues all day. Minor flooding the murray first. That continues all day. Minorflooding possible. Elsewhere, showers come and go, showers on the heavy side. Between them, warm enough in that strong september sunshine. Shell was going through, into tonight, more persistent rain in northern scotland, working cell. By the end of the night, star of tomorrow, wales, midlands, towards lincolnshire, that is going to be wet. Sunshine to greet the day, but a chilly start, to bridges in single figures away from towns and city centres. Morning rainfall rush hour across wales and southern end, clearing away, then back to what we know best this week, sunshine and blustery showers. Wind in the north westerly direction as showers come through, some heavy with hail and thunder. It will feel cool, temperatures in the mid teens at best. We stick with the north to north westerly f low as we go into friday. Longer spells of rain in eastern parts of england, sunshine and showers elsewhere. If you are having a tussle in the house with the thermostat at the moment, that will continue. Temperatures in the south, 15 or 16, down on where we should be for the year. The cool theme continues into the weekend as well. Sunshine and showers as well, wind easing, showers becoming less frequent. You are up to date with the latest. Goodbye for now. Hello. Its wednesday. Its 10 oclock, im victoria derbyshire. The foreign secretary borisjohnson visits the caribbean amid criticism of the governments response to the destruction caused caused by Hurricane Irma. 0ne family moved into their dream home in the British Virgin islands 5 days before the hurricane hit. X. Look, no walls. I wanted to chop that tree down. No walls, maybe they we re that tree down. No walls, maybe they were attached to the roof. Well guessed everybody, no roof. Well, at least he retained his sense of humour well be speaking to the family about their experience. A traveller charity says that members of the community face face discrimination. I would have loved to go to school. I would have loved to go to school. I would have loved to go to school. I would have tried my best and done something with my life. Should scotland become the first country in the uk to bring in an outright ban on smacking . If youre a mum living in scotland please do get in touch with us and tell us what you think. Annita mcveigh is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. Wages in the uk are growing at the rate of 2. 1 , according to the latest official figures. It means salaries are failing to keep pace with inflation, which last month rose to 2. 9 . The data, from the office for national statistics, also found employment between may and july this year rose by more than 180,000. More than three quarters of working age people in the uk found jobs during the period. Some of the uks biggest unions are threatening to strike after describing the latest Public Sector pay rises in england and wales as unacceptable. The government has announced a 1. 7 increase for prison officers while Police Officers will get 1 , plus a 1 bonus. But unions are branding the increases a real terms cut, as they are below the rate of inflation. The National Audit office says the governments welfare reforms are likely to have contributed to rising levels of homelessness in england. Its report claims that in the last six years, theres been a 60 rise in the number of households in temporary accommodation, including 120,000 children. The government said it was investing more than half a billion pounds by 2020 to address the issue. A bbc investigation has found that just 2 of council owned high rise blocks in england are fully fitted with sprinkler systems. A freedom of information request also showed that two thirds of the blocks had only one staircase. The london fire commissioner, dany cotton, said sprinklers would save lives and fitting them should be compulsory. The foreign secretary, borisjohnson, is travelling to the British Overseas Territories in the caribbean hit by Hurricane Irma. Its understood hell spend the next few days visiting the worst hit areas of the British Virgin islands and anguilla. Theres been criticism that the uks response has been too slow. Mums who go into labour early should be given antibiotics to prevent passing on any potentially deadly infections to their babies. Thats according to new guidelines from the Royal College of obstetricians and gynaecologists. Group b strep is the most common cause of life threatening infection in premature babies with 500 contracting it in 2015. Myanmars leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, has cancelled plans to attend the un General Assembly. Ms suu kyi has come under increasing criticism for her failure to act or speak out on the military operation in northern rakhine state, which has driven nearly 400,000 ethnic rohingyas into neighbouring bangladesh. A court in australia has awarded the actress rebel wilson more than £2. 5 million in a defamation case. Ms wilson successfully argued that a series of magazine articles had wrongly portrayed her as a liar. In june a jury unanimously sided with ms wilson, who claimed the articles stifled her career in hollywood. She said she would give the money away. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10. 30am. Laura says, i work in admin in the nhs. My partner left the raf and recently joined the nhs. My partner left the raf and recentlyjoined the Prison Service. He took a £10,000 pay cut for the job. The hours are unsociable and thejob is mentally draining, but he really enjoys it. I am 34 weeks pregnant and he has been told that he is not allowed paternity leave because he is not a year in the job. We enjoy ourjobs, but there is little prospect or any incentive to stay. We work full time and have a mortgage and we feel we contribute so mortgage and we feel we contribute so much and get not much in return. My so much and get not much in return. My partner puts his life at risk every day and is getting paid less than someone who works on a check out at the local supermarket. The government had a massive recruitment drive to employ more prison officers, but they are doing little to keep the ones in the job, in thejob. No little to keep the ones in the job, in the job. No wonder the Prison Service is in such a bad way. If you have direct experience, if you work in the Public Sector, tell us about what you think about the latest conversations about the pay cap, it being lifted for prison officers and Police Officers, but there is no new money says the government to pay for tflt you may have heard the police and crime commissionerfor the have heard the police and crime commissioner for the West Midlands area say the only way he can fund his Police Officers pay rise is by cutting the equivalent of 80 officersjobs. Sport now with hugh. Celtic suffered their worst ever home defeat in europe last night. They were thrashed 5 0 by Paris Saint Germain in the Champions League. Psgs new talisman, the superstar neymar, got the opener in glasgow. And the worlds most expensive player also set up the second for Kylian Mbappe before an own goal and two from Edinson Cavani sealed an impressive win for one of the favourites to win the competition this season. The thing i said to the players at this level, you have to have the belief and maybe it might take us a game or so belief and maybe it might take us a game or so to get into it again from getting into the competition to play and then obviously we see and recognise that the level that were at so you then perform better. After a season away, chelsea eased back into the Champions League with a massive 6 0 win over fc qara bag of azerbaijan. Their new signing Davide Zappacosta scored the pick of the goals. Manchester united enjoyed a comfortable return to the Champions League with a 3 0 win over swiss ,champions basel. Maruoane fellaini opened the scoring before Romelu Lukaku extended the lead and then Marcus Rashford sealed the victory, pushing united top of group a. I think 3 0 is against the way of the game in this period, but as i was saying before the group phase i think in this group any team can ta ke think in this group any team can take points from another team, csk won in lisbon and i think benfica can win in moscow and all the results can happen. I think its an open group. The england womens manager mark sampson has told the bbc that hes not a racist. It follows allegations of discrimination and bullying made against him by striker eni aluko. He was cleared in two separate investigations of any wrongdoing. 0ur Sports Editor spoke to sampson about the claim. I made it clear when the allegations were made that i denied the comment and that wasnt said. Why do you think she is saying it then . What do you think her motive is . I cant answer for someone motive is . I cant answer for someone else. I respect people who made allegations and i respect since they have been made. I have gone through a thorough process and i have answered every question thats been asked of me. When you say you respect it, last week you said you understood what she said. You didnt agree with what she said, you said you understood. You are basically saying she is a liar. So how can you understood what she said . You must be furious with what she said if she is lying about it . Everyone is entitled to say. Not if it is not true . I am clear that allegation we re true . I am clear that allegation were made. They needed to be respected and need to be investigated thoroughly which they been and again all i can do is a nswer been and again all i can do is answer the questions that have been put to me. And just finally, roy hodgson says he didnt want his managerial career to be remembered for englands humiliating defeat against iceland at euro 2016. Hodgsons back in management, taking over at Crystal Palace just a day after the sacking of Frank De Boer. Thats all the sport for now. I will have more later on. The foreign secretary borisjohnson will visit the British Virgin islands today where Hurricane Irma has destroyed communities, and left at least five people dead. The British Government has faced criticism for its slow response to the disaster but insists that its there for the long term and on top of £32 million pledged in aid it says it will match all public donations made via the red cross. In a moment well speak to brigadierjohn bridge. Hes the most Senior Member of the british army in the caribbean and he is in charge of the relief operation. And on the worst hit island, tortola, were speaking to both locals and expats to ask what they need from the government. Kennedy banda is a local tortolan who says he wants the British Government to evacuate his wife and four children, giles cadman runs his business from tortola and has been instrumental in getting much needed supplies to the islands, and Charlotte Caulfield who was evacuated with her family from tortola to puerto rico. Her husband made this video. I will give you a laugh, right. Last friday i bought the house of my dreams in what i think is the most beautiful place in the world in tortola. Life is perfect. Then on wednesday, five days later, we get a little bit of inclement weather and then this happened. You can see a little bit of damage and these are walls and the walls are good. We like walls. Thats the kitchen. Hello kitchen that was a barbecue, i think, kitchen. Hello kitchen that was a barbecue, ithink, more kitchen. Hello kitchen that was a barbecue, i think, more walls, excellent, a glass jar which survived and intact in that position. More walls and then and then, everyone, look no walls no walls. Five days later. Lovely view. Did want to chop that tree down anyway, im not going to lie. No walls. Maybe thats because they we re walls. Maybe thats because they were attached to the roof. Thats right. Well, guessed everybody. No roof. I admire your spirit and your tone through that video. How are you . Were good. Were nice and safe and tucked up in a hotel in puerto rico. What are the priorities for you and your family . Right, well, the priorities for me and my family is not very much. We would like to move on in a few days time, but were safe. 0ur priority is for me and myfamily were safe. 0ur priority is for me and my family is to try and get our friends and lots and lots of other people that we dont know to safety on tortola. So there are people trapped there . Absolutely. I mean, my wife is lucky enough to work for a corporate, a law firm or whatever, and all the law firms got together and all the law firms got together and they moved as many of their Staff Members, nearly all of their Staff Members, nearly all of their Staff Members, nearly all of their Staff Members out with families and stuff. It was chaos, but over a few days, we managed to get out. It is people like the lady who baby sits my daughter who i havent heard from ina my daughter who i havent heard from in a week. Its people that do the cleaning. Everyone thinks that the Virgin Islands is full of rich ex pats, living the high life and there is a bit of that, im sure, but there is so many down islanders and locals who didnt have any money to sort out hurricane supplies beforehand and their house looks just like my house except they didnt have anything stored in the basement like water or medical supplies. Its those people that were supplies. Its those people that we re really, really supplies. Its those people that were really, really concerned for. Im going to bring in brigadierjohn bridge who is talking to us live. John bridge thank you for talking to us. John bridge thank you for talking to us. Tell us about the efforts you and your colleagues are making to help people . Well, first of all i my sympathies to everyone involved. I have been round now to the British Virgin islands and certainly the scale of destruction particularly on the British Virgin islands is staggering. When you are Walking Around and seeing the bark being stripped off trees, it is quite extraordinary and the resilience of the people is incredible. The fact that they are able, they are getting on with it, they are trying to tidy up on with it, they are trying to tidy up and trying to get themselves back on their feet. So what we have done, we have been brought in, i command a taskforce which includes, it is nearly 1,000 troops which have been flown out at best speed. We have got a mounts bay, a ship, which was involved at the outset of the operation and we have got some helicopters out here as well. 0k. Operation and we have got some helicopters out here as well. Ok. We have been involved, sorry. Sorry, go on. Go on brigadier bridge, im sorry for interrupting. Thats all right. We have been involved in a numberof right. We have been involved in a number of operation. We have been responding to the requests of the local governors, the priority was to the British Virgin islands, so we have been involved in local patrolling just to re establish a sense of calm. I think afterwards, there was and you will see have the reporting of looting so we did joint patrols with the police there and the situation is significantly improved and now were getting into work to our engineers have been involved with the local engineers to try and get some of the infrastructure back up and running and were now also involved certainly in the British Virgin islands in securing the distribution ofaid as islands in securing the distribution of aid as well. So it is starting to come together. I cannot, i cannot tell you the scale of the problem is really absolutely enormous, but were certainly helping as i say in terms ofjust the requests that we get in and were doing everything we can to support them. You used the phrase, best speed, did you get there as quickly as was possible . As i say, to start with, we pre positioned mounts bay, she came into anguilla the moment the hurricane passed, did some repair work, got the wrong way back up and running, and delivered immediate aid at that point. We were then warned on thursday for deployment on friday. There are guys hear that had very little warning came out. We had to go to the immediate priority, and for us, it was the British Virgin islands. It was clear that was the most devastated of the three overseas territories. Understood. That was friday into saturday, and did what we could to support. That was friday into saturday, and did what we could to supportlj that was friday into saturday, and did what we could to support. I know you are a taxi driver, i know you have a home that was completely destroyed, how are you surviving . M is really hard. Every day, waking up in the morning, we have to get up and get food for the kids. It is survival, junior . You know . And get food for the kids. It is survival, junior . You know . It is ha rd to survival, junior . You know . It is hard to get food, water and essentials like nappies, is it . Yes, yes. The prices on food have gone up, the gas is double. Food is scarce. Up, the gas is double. Food is scarce. You have to get the essentials that you need for your family. I have four kit, it was one of their birthdays three days ago. Four kids. Of their birthdays three days ago. Four kids. We are showing our british audience images of your home and the destruction. Where are you sleeping at night . Right now, we are ina sleeping at night . Right now, we are in a hotel. The room was completely destroyed. I dont know if you can see behind me, the beds, everything is all over the place. Next door, the seven of us are staying in one room. Really . Goodness. Giles cadman, you run your business from tortola, you funded the bvi relief effort using your own money, to get supplies adequate and onto the island. How is that going . Supplies adequate and onto the island. How is that going7m supplies adequate and onto the island. How is that going . It has been a challenge, but thankfully, we started on tuesday, before the hurricane hit. We had a good idea it was going to hit, and hit hard. So we mobilised a number of people we knew in puerto rico, to start to get supplies arranged. We had a fleet of boats ready, and they were on their way to porto will on thursday. We are worried about the following hurricane, african hoser, but we got supplies in hurricanejose. Hurricane, african hoser, but we got supplies in hurricane josem hurricane, african hoser, but we got supplies in hurricane jose. It is things people dont think of, for example, mosquito nets, because flooding attracts mosquitoes. We went yesterday to get a load of mosquito traps. There is a lot of standing water, people are being secured, there arent mosquito nets where people are staying. If you havent got a rude, there are hardly mosquito nets, but it has been a wave. It is the essentials, medical supplies, phase two has been rebuilding, soap tarpaulins, plywood, things that can start to make shelters for families. It is quite shocking. Kennedy is my neighbour. It is great to see you, kennedy. U2 we are getting everything we can through to you. Giles, what do you think of the governments efforts . giles, what do you think of the governments efforts . I think they have tried. They made early announcements, but they are utterly clueless as to the difficulty of Logistics Operations to get things to the bvis. Before the hurricane, it is four days to miami to get supplies. Report is full of damaged boats, sunk boats, debris. The small boats, sunk boats, debris. The small boats struggled to get in. So if they started on thursday, friday, they started on thursday, friday, the boats couldnt leave miami. And this applies in puerto rico are also starting to be reduced. 0ur this applies in puerto rico are also starting to be reduced. Our team on the ground in puerto rico is struggling to get satellite supplies, internet connections, just so we can supplies, internet connections, just so we can get commons back up and running. The army have done a great job getting tortola, the main town, up job getting tortola, the main town, up and running. But that isjust job getting tortola, the main town, up and running. But that is just one pa rt up and running. But that is just one part of a 60 islands. Of course. Let me bring brigadierjohn bridge back in. We are grateful for your me bring brigadierjohn bridge back in. We are gratefulfor your time. All of you, we are grateful for your time, you have got a lot to do, and brigadier bridge, it is clearfrom listening to everyone, for a lot of people, this is about surviving the aftermath. It is about survival. John bridge, can you hear me . Sorry, you dropped out for a second, but i have got you now. Absolutely, i heard what was said. The point that was made about the complicity of logistics with it, i absolutely agree. 0urFirst Priority logistics with it, i absolutely agree. Our First Priority was to get the airport is open. When you have shipping containers bouncing down the runway, pretty huge holes in it, getting into prepared that, to get the light up and running, so a lot of the airfields are not fully functional. That is one reason why military aircraft are important, because they can operate out of difficult landing strips. That is a really important point that was made. Tortola was our initial effort, that is where we were able to get into, and we gradually expanding out of that. We have people in anguilla, we have personnel deployed in turks and caicos, stan dyke island, there were problems with food. We are expanding our footprint as quickly as we can in load troops and stores, then expanding and pushing that out. The logistics, i am glad someone that out. The logistics, i am glad someone else has spotted the complicity of the logistics, because it is extremely challenging. 0ne thing i would like to say is, as i go around, and i have been around a couple of the islands, i havent got out to all of them yet, one thing that makes me proud is seeing how the british soldiers, royal marines, will navy and rf, how they are getting stuck into it. To go down and see these people, one joint patrol, rebuilding infrastructure, they are on the island here, clearing the breaking glass and everything out of the hospitals, schools and things. It makes me tremendously proud to see. It is easy to get distracted by politics in Something Like this, this is a genuinely human tale, it is about people deploying out from the uk to fellow british citizens, doing what they can. It makes me proud as a commander to see that. Thank you. Everyone, i will stay in touch with you to see how things progress, because from what you have told us, it is precarious for a lot of people. We may stay in touch, if we may. Thank you for taking an interest in the island. It has made a big difference to a lot of people. Absolutely. Kennedy, we can hear you, quick final word. What we are doing, for the kids and women, because the diseases get around, i am scared for my family as well. We need to get to the evacuation of the people. 0k, thank you. We will, of course, keep in touch with them. Iam going i am going to read you a quote from a schoolteacher in this country to one of their pupils. There is no point in teaching you, you will only end up tarmac in peoples drives. Just one example of an insult levelled at a child from the Traveller Community, according to a new report. The Traveller Movement charity, says up to 70 of gypsy, roma and travellers experience discrimination of some sort, during their education from fellow pupils and teachers alike. 0ur reporter ena miller has been speaking to one irish travelling family about the problems theyve faced at school. You may find the derogatory names theyve been called offensive. So schools supposed to be the best time of your life, they say, but you didnt have a great experience, did you, because of being an irish traveller . No. I went to two different schools, which was partly because things happened because i was an irish traveller. One of my experiences was with a young boy. He basically used to talk to all of us and then one day he came in and wouldnt talk to us and then at the end he started calling us pikeys. Ill talk about this in a minute, but this is what this book is based on. Yeah, because theres one thing i read in the book that says that parents would say, youre not allowed to play with margaret any more, george, shes a traveller and we do not mix with that sort. So it was parents at school stopping their children from being yourfriend. And we wouldnt obviously know, but when that happened, he called me pikey and i asked mummy and she said its basically not him, its what hes hearing at home. Do you think theres any truth in some of it . I do, yeah, but theres good and bad in all communities. You cant paint them all with one brush. They should educate schools about us. So because there isnt that education, you had a hard time, so you left, didnt you . Yeah, i left school in year six. How old were you . I was about 11 when i left. And now being 28 and thinking back that you left school at 11. I would have loved to go to high school. Definitely. I know im not too clever, but i would have tried my best and done something with my life. But the fact is that other travellers go to school and theyre fighting racism and discrimination all the time from teachers, pupils and parents. And theyre suffering. Theyre not getting an education. Theyre not getting to learn. You need opportunities. Johnny is the first in all my family to go to high school. Were very proud of him. He knows this. He knows how important it is. But we should all have that. We shouldnt have. Because of the way were treated by teachers or pupils or parents. Its not fair. Were only children. So johnny, your sister mentions that youre the first in your family to go to secondary school. Whats that like . I want to show people that im not scared that im in that school. If you bully me, i dont care. Ill carry on. When i firstjoined secondary, i was worried about all that, but im friends with everyone. I am proud to be a traveller. For some reason, people are scared of me in my school because im a traveller and because they all think im going to hurt them. Do you not think that by being there, youll change that . Yeah, because im a nice person. I wouldnt hurt anyone. If someone gets into a fight with me, i always try to stop it. Whats your plan . When im older, i want to do construction, because my dad is really good at construction and i like to build stuff myself. Last term i went to school, i did get in a lot of trouble, but ive stopped doing that now. Since i came back, ive been 100 better. Theres a perception or stereotypes that a lot of traveller children get pulled out of school quite early. If theyre facing these problems and constantly changing school and still facing the same problems, youre going to take your child out of school and home tutor them, because theyre not getting any help and theyre just punished. And obviously being bullied, you can imagine what that would do for your own self esteem. This is why they get took out of school, you know what i mean . Theyre not going to get a proper education. For him to do construction, hes going to get all that, hopefully, you know what im saying . Lets speak now to Yvonne Macnamara whos from the Traveller Movement and baroness sal brinton, shes been fighting for the rights of traveller children in education since the 1990s and even introduced one of the first anti bullying policies in cambridgeshire. Welcome, both of you. I am looking at your report. Some of the things that are said to people in the travelling community, not just children but adults as well. I went for a cleaning job. When i told her where i lived, she said she would not serve my sword and told me to leave. Dirty feeds, you should have been deported. How big a problem is this . It is a very big problem. Our research has clearly shown that the discrimination is pervasive across all service industries, across the Public Sector. But it is really in education. People think it is a cce pta ble education. People think it is acceptable racism in some way, do you think some people think it is . L lot of people dont. Irrespective of whether someone is from an ethnic minority owned not, it is not acceptable. It is ill informed information and prejudice, com pletely information and prejudice, completely unacceptable. So is the impact, keeps dropping out of secondary school because of the disconnection, comments, and in the introduction, when a teacher said there is no point teaching you, because you will tarmac someone strong. It is moving from Primary School because the young traveller children are so frightened about being on theirown children are so frightened about being on their own in the playground because other children went to play with them when they realise, because their parents say they mustnt. Children are not born hating. We have to stop an attitude that says it is acceptable in 2017 to treat children this way. The most shocking thing i have read is how many teachers, doctors and others also have these preconceived ideas, which are not helping the community at all. And really distressing. And the impact on them is what, if they are treated. Drops out of education, that means it is harder to getjobs education, that means it is harder to get jobs without skills these days. Not going to the doctor early enough and then becoming more ill and then requiring more treatment in hospitals. All of those things because the natural reaction for anyone who has been discriminated against is to say, i want to get out of here. Its awful. The evidence in this research is really horrifying. So i have been working on this for 25 years now and it hasnt improved. I would actually say that the solution isnt difficult. Irrespective of what community somebody comes from, affirmation of identity is important for everybody. Where one works or where one learns, one needs to feel safe and accepted and the majority of our schools do not make traveller children feel safe and accepted. We would say that there are solutions there for example, we would call on there for example, we would call on the department for education to mandate the inclusion of gypsy roma travellers, if they were to mandate the inclusion of history mount, im confident we would see attainment levels go up. We would see the bullying levels go down. All we have to do is look across at the success of black history mount, phenomenal success. Thats not beyond the realms of possibility, is it . No, it is very straightforward and david lammy mp did a report last week in which he include add comment specifically about the Traveller Community because he recognises they are probably one of the most discriminated groups in this country. Thank you both. Thank you very much for coming on the programme. Thank you very much. In the last half an hour of the programme, we will talk about the new iphone. Iphone 10. Programme, we will talk about the new iphone. Iphone10. Nearly £1,000 it will cost you. Can any phone really be worth a grand . I know what the answer will be scotland could become the first country in the uk to introduce a bill which would outlaw the smacking of children altogether. We will ask if its a good move. Your views welcome, of course. Unemployment is at its lowest level since 1975. Andy verity is here to help break down the figures a bit more. The economy continues to be phenomenal. You had 181,000 jobs generated between may and july and the number of people employed, once again, hita record, im almost bored of saying it 32. 1 million people. Thats one thing. The economy generates lots ofjobs by number, but whats apparent from the figures as well it is not so great at generating better pay because the average pay went up by 2. 1 excluding bonuses, thats less than most economists were expecting and substantially most economists were expecting and su bsta ntially less most economists were expecting and substantially less than inflation which even back then was 2. 6 and the most recent data showed 2. 9 . If you trace it back over time, the average wage is no higher than it was in november 2005. Really . Yeah. No higher than that in real terms. And thats for all sorts of reasons because we had the crash . Well, funnily enough people didnt get worse off ten years ago in the Great Recession and in the crisis caused by it, because of the emergency measures like cutting Interest Rates people were better off in terms of their net disposable income especially if you had a big old chunky mortgage that followed rates downwards, you were saving money. A lot of them got better off in the recession, but got worse off in the recession, but got worse off in the recovery that followed it when we had the squeeze on Living Standards and suddenly prices were going up faster than wages, that happened between 2011 and 2014, our real incomes fell between then. They started recovering over the last two or three years, but now we have gone back into the squeeze of Living Standards. No one really knows how long it will last. Most economists are predicting only until next year. Lets hope they are right. Does that mean Interest Rates might go up if inflation is 2. 9 . Mean Interest Rates might go up if inflation is 2. 996 . Yes, Interest Rates are at 0. 25 . Thats a 300 year low. The lowest they have been. The emergency rate we had before that was supposed to be an emergency measure in 2009, but we have got used to it. People are talking about raising it back to that level, but not until next year. To control inflation . Yes, but because of the higher Inflation Numbers yesterday the markets are saying it might happen sooner than we previously thought so it could be as early as thought. Unemployment at its lowest level since 1975. Time for the sport now with hugh. Celtic boss Brendan Rodgers said his side played like under 12s at times as they suffered their biggest home european defeat. They were beaten 5 0 by paris st germain in the Champions League. Uefa has since opened Disciplinary Proceedings against celtic following a fan pitch invasion during the match. Chelsea returned to the Champions League with a 6 0 home win over fc qara bag of azerbaijan. Manchester united were also back in the competition after a season away. They beat basel 3 0 at old trafford. England womens manager mark sampson has told bbc sport that hes absolutley not racist. Sampson was cleared by a fa and an independent investigation following accusations of bullying and discrimination made by striker eni aluko. The former england mens boss roy hodgson is back in the premier league as the new manager of Crystal Palace. I will be back with more sport in newsroom live after 11am. I will see you then. Last night at the apple park spaceship campus, apple unveiled its iphone 10 to mark the tenth anniversary of the iphone. So whats new . Here are couple of videos from the launch in san francisco. Unlocking it is as easy as looking at it and swiping up. Lets try that again. Lets go to back up here. So here it is. This is the new iphone x, the tenth anniversary device. Theres a lot of anticipation for this one. Its going to cost you 999, however, the most expensive iphone to date. What do you get for that money . Well, one of the main features is the face id, ie you look at it to unlock. Id show you this with my own face but unfortunately, its not set up for me, so my assistant standing just off camera here is going to unlock that for us so we can carry on with the demo. So you look straight at the camera, and it unlocks. So that is an unlocked phone. That replaces the fingerprint sensor that previous iphones have had. The first thing youll notice is that the screen goes just about to each edge, save this little sliver of technology at the top. This contains many components that are used for that face recognition and also for a fun feature which i quite like. This is animated emojis. Emojis are of course hugely popular. Animated emojis track my facial expressions to power the emoji with different expressions. This makes me laugh every time. So i can be this pig and if i smile, he smiles. If i raise my eyebrows, he does that. If i puff cheeks, he does that, and i can send this to other people with iphones. Even if they dont have this expensive one, they can still receive the animated emojis, even if they cant make them themselves. So i think this will be extremely popular. One thing thats interesting about the new iphone is that without the home button, to me this doesnt look like an iphone at all. It looks much more like some of the samsung devices. But this is definitely one of the biggest steps weve seen in a new apple device for some time and tim cook, offstage, and tim cook, on stage, has just said he thinks this will dawn in a new era of the iphone. At 999, quite a lot of money, but this has certainly got people talking. Im joined now by the tech expert tom cheesewright. It seems crazy that when we are talking about Public Sector pay, we are talking about a phone that costs £1,000. Who is going to pay that . L lot of people. It will attract a lot of the hardcore fans and we will see a lot of people buying them on finance plans that allow them to upgrade their phone every 12 months from now on. Do you think it is worth a grand . I wouldnt pay a grand personally, no. Iwould have a cheap and cheerful phone that it doesnt matter if my kids drop or if idrop it doesnt matter if my kids drop or if i drop it in the bath. People like the kudos and being the first people to own the new phone and there is the Technology Aspect being the first people to create the emogis. Tom, thank you very much. We will talk to some viewers before the end of the programme. Thank you for your messages about Public Sector pay. Tim says, im teacher of 20 years who was made redundant because of cutbacks. I am being forced my county to do supply teaching work through an agency, it means a forced 40 pay cut with no pension contributions either. Not only that, it is common in schools for lessons to be covered and taught by people without a teaching qualification which also takes work from qualified teachers. Unqualified staff are paid £50 to £60 per day to cover lessons, sometimes weeks on end. The whole system is in a mess and they wonder why there is a retainment and recutement crisis in education. I have had just about enough. This e mail from jackie, as enough. This e mail from jackie, as a nurse for 35 years, im sick to the stomach with the governments latest attempt to address the Public Sector pay issue. I retire next year andi sector pay issue. I retire next year and i cannot get out of the door quick enough. Nurses are taken for granted and no wonder there is a huge recruitment problem as there is no investment in retention or recruitment in the nhs. I am glad my career is almost over as i would hate to be starting the journey as a young nurse today. According to the unions Something Like 40,000 nurses short we are in this country and 3500 midwives. Thank you for those. Keep them coming in. As i said, before 11am, we will talk to david and tim. They have got in touch. That might have been tims e mail that i just read. That might have been tims e mail that ijust read. Anyway, we will talk to him before the end of the programme. Scotland could become the first country in the uk to implement an outright ban on smacking. The idea is being promoted by a green party politician, but scotlands first minister Nicola Sturgeon says she has no objection to banning parents from physically punishing their child in any way. A similar outright ban is being consulted on in wales. Some say politicians shouldnt interfere with parenting decisions. Currently parents in england, wales and Northern Ireland can use reasonable chastisement, although hitting a child so that it leaves a mark is banned. The rules are slightly different in scotland, where using an implement, shaking a child and striking the head are banned. Thank you both for coming on the programme. Mary glasgow, first of all, why should there be an outright ban . Why not trust parents . We are supportive of the removal of the defence of justifiable contact. Supportive of the removal of the defence ofjustifiable contact. It is clear that physical contact with children causes harm. 0ften, often, it causes emotional harm. That is why we think were 2017, it is time to give children equal protection from assault, like we do for adults. When you use the word assault deliberate, and i understand why, but is that what parents are doing if they, i dont know, tap their kid on the back more i dont know. What do you define as a salt . The language is really important, because the legislation that the bill seeks to amend talks about the evidence, the evidence says it doesnt work. Richard lucas, you dont want to see an outright ban on pa rents dont want to see an outright ban on parents being able to smack their children, tell us why. That is right, we are not particularly pro smacking, but i think the Scottish Government education or social work academic establishment has an understanding of how to bring up children. They wa nt of how to bring up children. They want to impose that on everyone. A lot of parents in scotland will take a different view. They should have every right to bring up theirjobs and in accordance with it. Rhona mackay, what is the chances of an outright ban being introduced . Mackay, what is the chances of an outright ban being introduced7m la st outright ban being introduced7m last weeks programme for the first minister, she said nobody would block the bill, and it could possibly go to a free vote among the parties, which i was delighted with. As you said, this was brought in by a green party member, and i supported it from day one. This was just part of a forward thinking programme for government. I am delighted we are prepared to consider it. Richard lucas, do tell us consider it. Richard lucas, do tell us your views. The greens introduced this. The normal procedure is the greenslade the way, and the other parties follow on. That is what we see there. If you talk about research and evidence, this is coming from a philosophy of child rearing. The scottish social work believes that if you care for children properly, talk through issues with them, that is enough. There is no need for punishment. We see the velocity coming through in the criminaljustice is done, coming through in education, coming through in social work. Talk about the evidence of the harm it does, it is disputed. There is evidence that smacking children has positive effects as well. The academic departments producing this research and evidence, if you look at the philosophical, political biases of the departments, it is massive. Rhona mcleod is shaking her head in disagreement. I just dispute everything you say. The uk is one of six countries throughout the eu, the other 27 countries we are only one of six countries that allow this. It has been proven not to work. Children learn from grooming behaviour. If they are used to being assaulted, this can make them think, if it is ok for mum and dad to do that to me, i can do it to someone else. It has a huge knock on effect on bullying, as mary glasgow said, and in later live. It is on bullying, as mary glasgow said, and in later live. It is also on bullying, as mary glasgow said, and in later live. It is also not just social work prevention is, it is 75 of respondents to the consultation on this issue. The idea that it consultation on this issue. The idea thatitis consultation on this issue. The idea that it is all right to physically assault children, teach them right from wrong, it is absurd in 2017, and the evidence reports that an International Review of the evidence reports that every country is with the evidence. We support the bill because it makes absolute sense. Country of scotland, in scotland, there a huge range of government funded organisations that form a mass choir in support of the gunmen. There will be lots of organisation supporting this. Lets leave the Academic Research a sigh, lets look at other facts. In the last six years, the amount of physical punishment of children has decreased hugely. Crime statistics, problems in school are far more serious than they were. Mental Health Problems in young people are far more serious than they were. That the changes that have happened in the last 60 years while physical time punishment of children has reduced significantly. Can i point out to richard that crime in scotland is at a42 richard that crime in scotland is at a 42 year record low. That doesnt stack up with what he is saying. And this is not about criminalising people, its about establishing good practice, and we think this is definitely a step forward in the welfare of children. It is really beyond doubt. It is not about criminalising people. How are people going to be treated if they do get fed up with their kid when they are throwing their lunch at them for the third time, and they are given a slap on the wrist. They are taken to court and prosecuted. In what sense is that not about analysing people . Hang on. Let rhona mcleod a answer that. That is quite an extreme and absurd example of what we are talking about here. If you do bring in an outright ban and someone does smack their child on the back of their legs, what is the sanction, what will happen . Currently, if you see someone what will happen . Currently, if you see someone smacking their child industry and it is disturbing to you, a few people would go over and intervene, because they will have been thought of as a busybody. If there is a law in place that says you cant do that, people will be likely to try to go over to see if it is reasonable. Just to follow it through, then what would happen to that parent . It depends. If it was serious enough, it would go to a decision. That is serious enough. If it is an outright ban, presumably, it is an outright ban, presumably, it is an outright ban, presumably, it is not about the level of seriousness, is it . It is not about the level of seriousness, you are turning that parent into a criminal, and then there will be criminal proceedings and the child is taken away from them. This parent has assaulted their child, it will be detrimental for the parent and the child. Child, it will be detrimental for the parent and the childlj child, it will be detrimental for the parent and the child. I think thatis the parent and the child. I think that is a distortion of what we are talking about. We have got to leave it there, but thank you so much. I appreciate all of your time. Scotla nd scotland could become the first country in the uk to bring in an outright ban on smacking. An internet reality show has put hip hop music into the National Spotlight for the first time in china with more than 2. 5 billion views on chinas Largest Video hosting website. The rap of china has seen dozens of chinese rappers shoot to stardom. Im going to end with an e mailfrom sarah, i am a teacher. I have taught the 26 years, i am experienced at teaching and managing a department. Since the conservatives took power, my wages have slumped in real terms by 20 at least. I was forced to accept changes to much pension when the conservatives cannot prove that the pension needs improvement, and my National Insurance went on. And of course, no pay rise for years. You wouldnt believe the things that go on in school that drain the life on any teacher. Teaching is not a profession. I would any teacher. Teaching is not a profession. Iwould recommend anymore. A maths teacher in training can earn more than in the first year of work. It is only at five years that a teacher is tops to get into their stride. You know you are in trouble when there is a shortage of geography teachers. Thank you for that, sarah. I have said all day that, sarah. I have said all day that it that, sarah. I have said all day thatitis that, sarah. I have said all day that it is tuesday today, but it is wednesday. Time flies when you are having fun. Bbc newsroom live is coming up next. Thank you for your company today. Have a good day. We have had a bit of disruption, but the strongest winds have cleared away. We are left today with a mixture of sunny spells and blustery showers working through. Across eastern scotland, more persistent rain lasting into the afternoon, feeling cool in the northern half of the uk. Further south, 16 18. Through this evening and tonight, the weather front brings us more rain. Behind this weather front, the weather front brings us more rain. Behind this weatherfront, the airflow comes from the north. It will feel chilly and two bridges overnight down to 9 11d. This area of cloud will clear way and we are left with sunny spells. 0ne of cloud will clear way and we are left with sunny spells. One or two scattered showers around, feeling cool scattered showers around, feeling cool. Temperatures 16 18 in the south. This is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11. Only 2 of council owned tower blocks have full sprinkler systems a bbc investigation finds. Londons fire commissioner says they should be mandatory. This cant be optional, it cannot be a nice to have. This is something we must have and it is something that must be in place in the future to protect people. The 60 rise in homelessness in england is due in part to the governments welfare reforms, says the spending watchdog the president of the European Commission says europe is bouncing back after the Global Financial crisis and britain may soon regret its decision to leave. 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