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BBCNEWS Outside Source November 22, 2017

Commander radko mladic has been jailed for life. He was found guilty of genocide and crimes against humanity during the bosnian war of the 1990s. This was mr mladic during the war, when he was nicknamed the butcher of bosnia. In the town of srebrenica in the east of bosnia and herzogovina he oversaw the massacre of more than 7,000 bosniak men and boys. It was the worst atrocity in europe since the second world war. He was also found guilty of deliberate attacks on civilians in the countrys capital of sarajevo. This decision was handed down in the dutch city of the hague, where the un had set up a criminal tribunal to investigate crimes committed during the bosnian war. This was radko mladics reaction as the judge read out the verdict. Translation mr mladic, if you continue like this. We have seen theres quite a few times during the trial. Its been common for him to interruptjudges in the un criminal tribunalfor the former yugoslavia. Today he was eventually removed and thejudge carried on. Translation the accuseds acts were so translation the accuseds acts were so instrumental to the commission of the crimes that without them, the crimes would not have been committed as they were. In light of this, the Chamber Found that through his actions, the accused significantly contributed to achieving the Common Objective of permanently removing muslims and croats from serb claims territory in Bosnia Herzegovina by committing to crimes of persecution, extermination, murder, deportation and the inhumane act of forcible transfer. Understandably this verdict was watched closely by the families of victims. This was the scene in sreberenica, where families gathered to hear the verdict. They had waited almost 25 years for justice. This was the reaction of one woman whose husband and sons were killed. Translation i didnt understand everything what the judge said. But he deserves much severe. Much more severe punishment. Its notjust my two microsomes, whole families were destroyed. It is notjust might two sons. Brothers and sisters. I found my sons and my husband, but many people didnt find theirs. It was just terrible. One of those who covered the bosnian warfor the bbc was our special correspondent alan little. I spoke to him earlier from the hague. I asked him how it was possible ratko mladic still believed hed done nothing wrong. Given everything we have heard and given the verdict. I think it reveals the two ways in which the events of 1992 to 1995 are interpreted within the one state Bosnia Herzegovina, there are two parallel realities in the country, and to some extent that is general mladics achievement. He fought to divide serbs and non serbs, his legacy in bosnia today is that very reality, that serbs live separately from non serbs within the one state and they have a completely different account of what happened in the war in the early 1990s. They believe that general mladic, many, at any rate, believed he was necessary, that what he did was defend the serbian people against a repeat of the genocide of the second world war, and they suffered genocide perpetrated by nazi collaborators from croatia and bosnia. But when you look at the victims who sat in the Public Gallery of the courtroom today, people who have lost loved ones to that project of ethnic cleansing by general mladic enforced so ruthlessly and you consider that they have waited 22 yea rs consider that they have waited 22 years since the end of the war, you see how important justice years since the end of the war, you see how importantjustice at last has been to them and the fight for justice or the last 22 years, you see very starkly these parallel truths that never converge. If the tribunal was aimed at promoting reconciliation between these two ways of seeing the war, it has not succeeded yet. Cani has not succeeded yet. Can i ask you about the process of International Justice . Can i ask you about the process of internationaljustice . It can i ask you about the process of International Justice . It is can i ask you about the process of internationaljustice . It is often criticised and comes in many forms, is today evidence that it can withstand ordinary pressures . Extraordinary pressures . Most people here who have been at the heart of it would say it is the start of a long, long process. It was the First International court established since nuremberg after the second world war. There have been others since then, a special court for rwanda, a special court for cambodia and so on, that this was the first. It is about to wind up, it will close its doors at the end of december. This was the last of more than 160 trials. Now it is coming to the end of its mandate there will be much soul searching about what succeeded and what did not. One of the questions to answer is why it took 22 years to bring one of the most notorious figures of the war to justice, why did people had to wait so justice, why did people had to wait so long and many have to not live long enough to see justice served. I think most people here who believe in the project and have devoted the last 20 or 25 years of their career to it would say it is just beginning and we need to build International Support for it. It has its critics, the serbs in particular believe that was loaded against them from the very beginning, that the court chose to prosecute many, many more serbs than croats or muslims. It has lots of charges to answer. We distil all the most Important Information from outside and inside the bbc on the biggest global stories are per day. We heard from allan little in the hague, this. Nexit will turn to zimbabwe. Yesterday Robert Mugabe resigned. Today the former Vice President he sacked, Emmerson Mnangagwa, is back in the country and hes due to be sworn in as president. Here are the latest pictures from harare. Plenty of people turned out, many waited at the military airstrip to welcome him back from south africa. And mr mnangagwa addressed them. Today we are witnessing the beginning of a new unfolding democracy. Cheering thank you. I wish also to thank the manner in which our Defence Forces and the leadership of the general. Cheering have been able to manage this process very peacefully. The Bbcs Shingai Nyoka was at the rally. This is what she recorded. Zimbabwes incoming president Emmerson Mnangagwa has made his first public appearance since he fled the country last week. Now he left as a villain, he has come back as a hero to take over leadership of zimbabwe. There is an expectation he will be sworn in on friday as the interim president. Thousands of people have gathered here to welcome him, most of them party supporters. There is a huge expectation on his shoulders right now. The economy is challenged and they expect he will be able to fix that. Most families survive on street vending, students who have graduated from university have not been able to find jobs. There is a huge expectation that he might be the change that zimbabwe needs. While many are greeting president in waiting, some have been paying tribute to Robert Mugabe. An editorial in the state owned herald read, fare thee well, comrade president. It called the former leader a hero. The former president of ghana said, a sad ending for a liberation hero, a patriot and a great pan africanist. I pray the dramatic events of november serve as a reboot for democracy and prosperity in zim. History will remember comrade mugabe kindly. We will have to see about that. This is from one south african news website. It says free at last in the shadow of military boots. The point being that this whole matter has escalated because of the intervention of the army. Lets also remember that the man taking over as president works for many years with the man who hasjust president works for many years with the man who has just stopped president works for many years with the man who hasjust stopped being president. Expectations are running high, as youd expect. Here are some people in harare on what they want to happen next. Translation we want elections so we can choose the president that we want. Because right now things have been really bad here. If we vote then we can choose a leader that we have been waiting for. Translation so far we are really happy with what the army has done, but as we enter the next stage we want elections so we can choose a leader that we want as zimbabweans. I spoke to Nancy Kacungira from bbc africa. She has been guiding me through the story. She told me that zimbabweans do not want more of the same from Emmerson Mnangagwa. It looks like there is one clear message from zimbabwe and is, even as Emmerson Mnangagwa returns. One clear message from zimbabweans. He received a rapturous welcome from his canopy of supporters, but lots of a very of the nation is sending him a very strong message. The herald newspaper which you mentioned earlier wrote a very strong warning to him that this is not the same zimbabwe, we dont just want another version at the to bea to be a new same event. It has to be a new chapter. They were very strong and sending that. One of the activists we spoke to who was very involved in the Flag Movement said he was surprised that mnangagwa was not soft in his speech. He said it is not about zanu pf politics, we are tired of the internal bickering, we wa nt tired of the internal bickering, we want this to be about all zimbabweans. That was echoed by the newspaper which said that the symbol being used by the people in the street was the zimbabwe flag, not posters of people, not things that represent tribes factions, this is about the whole of zimbabwe, that is what people want coming forward. When did he become president . Friday is inauguration day. Big event although key . We dont know, so maybe a sign they are keeping it low key. I think itll be a celebration of so many other things that it has no choice but to be big no choice but to be a pretty big event. I want to ask about the bizarre claim from mr mnangagwa that he was poisoned hurriedly simply tried to poisoned hurriedly simply tried to poison him a couple of months back . That was back in august and he had been at a rally with president mugabe and claimed he was poisoned with ice cream from grace mugabes dairyfarm. With ice cream from grace mugabes dairy farm. This is heavily refuted by the second Vice President s, who is now out of the country, he said that doctors had said to him it was food poisoning. Mr mnangagwa maintained he had tried to be poisoned. I guess we cant say one way or the other, but it confirms yet again that while this has escalated in the last couple of weeks there has been a huge political battle for months . There is still a lot of suspicion, he gave thatis is still a lot of suspicion, he gave that is one of the reasons he had to leave the country. He said after he was sacked he had heard there would be attempts on his life, which is why he left. We must remember there are still deep factions within zanu pf. We are not sure how that will resolve itself, we still have a gioup will resolve itself, we still have a group that they call the g 40, the wing that was supporting grace mugabe. We are not sure what is happening with them. Many people we re happening with them. Many people were sacked or dismissed. It will zanu pf Going Forward as the ruling party, it is a government of one party, it is a government of one party, winner takes all. Will they bring in more opposition, embrace a unitary government . Lots of International Observers are looking for that. It will be crucial because Going Forward with the economy especially many people are more likely to look kindly at a government that has some kind of coalition that is more inclusive, and a departure from the past. Especially with zimbabwe looking at a debt of 9 billion for the last 20 yea rs. Thanks to nancy, as always. In a few minutes we will speak to a colleague in buenos aires, because the search foran in buenos aires, because the search for an argentinian and submarine is going on. It has been missing in the south atlantic for a week. Predictions for growth in the british economy have been lowered for the next ideas. In his budget the chancellor dropped the forecast for growth this year from 2 to 1. 596. For growth this year from 2 to 1. 5 . Philip hammond unveiled a series of measures which he says that the uk on a secure footing. In this budget i have set out a vision for britains future and a plan for delivering it. By getting oui plan for delivering it. By getting our debt down, by supporting british families and businesses, by investing in the technologies and skills at the future, by creating the homes and infrastructure our country needs, we are at a turning point in our history, and we resolved to look forwards, not backwards. To build on the strengths of the british economy. To embrace change, not hide from it. To seize the opportunities ahead. And together to build a britain fit for the future. I commend this statement to the house. Thanks for being with me. This is outside source live from the bbc newsroom. Our lead story is. Ratko mladic has been brought tojustice. Hes been found guilty of genocide and war crimes during the bosnian war in the 1990s. Some of the main stories from bbc world service. A Us Navy Plane carrying 11 crew and passengers has crashed into the ocean south east of japan. Eight people were rescued with three others missing, according to the us seventh fleet. Its thought the accident may have been caused by engine failure. America has called violence against Rohingya Muslims in myanmar ethnic cleansing. Its secretary of state Rex Tillerson also said, these abuses by some among the burmese military, Security Forces, and local vigila ntes have caused tremendous suffering. And he added that targeted sanctions could follow. Lets speak to Barbara Plett usher, the bbcs state department correspondent. Is this as strong as the americans have gone on this issue . Definitely, the strongest condemnation they have undertaken so far. We heard these words from other areas, including the un, the americans have been slow to use these terms. There is a process that these terms. There is a process that the state department whereby they had to go to analysis to determine if there is ethnic cleansing, that ta kes if there is ethnic cleansing, that takes time so that is a reason. They wa nted takes time so that is a reason. They wanted to have mr tillerson go to the region and form his own impressions before they issued this announcement. We were told by state Department Officials it was the attendance and planning characteristics of ethnic cleansing which decided them. They used words like organised and systematic, which implicates the military. Mr tillerson included the military and Security Forces in the list of those responsible for what he called atrocities, also local vigila ntes. Responsible for what he called atrocities, also local vigilanteslj was surprised to hear him use this language because just last week he met the de facto leader of myanmar, Aung San Suu Kyi, who would characterise this differently . M Aung San Suu Kyi, who would characterise this differently . It is a difficult balance for the americans because they have a number of things they want to achieve. They wa nt of things they want to achieve. They want sort strong support for Aung San Suu Kyi and the civilian government, they believe the transition to civilian rule is crucial of myanmar is to be able to deal with the long term ethnic tensions at the root of this violence. At the same time they want to hold the military accountable for these horrendous atrocities but also note the military needs to work with the government of Aung San Suu Kyi to deal with the crisis, mr tillerson said himself that was crucial. There are many Different Things to balance, they have come out with quite a strong statement for this administration which does not speak out that strongly on human rights with regards to what has happened in the amat. We will leave it there. Thank you, Barbara Plett usher. I dont know if you have seen this footage of a north korean soldier who defected across the border to south korea, it has been watched thousands of times on the bbc news app. It happened last week but we saw the video today. We see this vehicle travelling at speed along this road, initially no one would have known what was happening, but it is very clear from these pictures that after a little while all of these north korean soldiers realise what was happening. A colleague was trying to defect. He crashes into the leaves and starts running south towards the south korean side. Those pursuing him start firing at him and he is hit five times. As you will see in the next video, he collapses in those leaves, badly injured. This has all happened in the demilitarised zone between the north and the south of the korean peninsula. In an area called the joint security area. That is significant because it is the only place where soldiers face each other and, crucially, there are no obstacles like barriers or bollards. Heres a closer look at what happens, you see how close the sides. One marks where the car crash, two marks where the men were running from as they pursued the vehicle. Five here, that is why the north korean soldiers ran in order to try to shoot him, close to their is when the man collapsed. That is why this happens, i wanted to show you this in more detail. If we play the video on, these are the north koreans running after the defector, who was already out of shot. Watch this man and this post, he is running out of north korean territory, he gets to this point where he is past the mast, this is the realisation that he has gone into

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